new anti radar technology coming in new frontiers !!

[Shrye]

@Gordonax (and others)

I don't know the explicit details, however Microsoft used to scan for pirated copies on their auto-update (and mentioned in their ToS), however it was still tried in (Danish only?) court and sentenced illegal, forcing them to stop it.

Considering that you only have to check the cd-keys to find out wether it's a pirated copy or not, I'd say a memory check is alot more intrusive.

They have your creditcard-information, if you don't trust them I suggest you cancel your subscription, withdraw all the money from the account and burn them to stay warm in a cave somewhere in the middle-east.

GOA doesn't got access to your CC details.

 

[stubbe]

GOA doesn't got access to your CC details.

Technicality, you would still play this game and pay for it even if there wasn't an independent party that handled the payments

 

[Shrye]

Technicality, you would still play this game and pay for it even if there wasn't an independent party that handled the payments

Ofcourse.

It's a wide-spread misconception among people, that GOA actually has access to CC details, the only info they got, is what people has submitted in their profile (name, street address etc), and payment periods

... which was what I wanted to point out with the quote

 

[Mirt]

Of course the funny thing about such ceat detection is that versus someone truely determined a simple process scan won't work

The reason is that the OS calls required to do the process scanning can be intercepted and made to act as if certain peroceses wern't there. Still with luck mythic are doing something more subtle as well...

 

[iluvatur]

radar is here to stay people, why do you think that they added the map in frontiers, it's just something to keep the casual gamers happy so they can gain rps faster (by fighting more). What has an in-game map got to do with a roleplaying game? nothing at all.

or they should cut the shit and give everyone radar, take away any advantage they have, that would really make it realm versus realm combat, as single fg's will be hunted, would also mean that stealth attacks wouldnt work and you would have to take keeps with sheer force (inc lag).

/shrug i would happily let them monitor my memory if they didn't abuse it or cause anything to slow-down/screw up, but as numerous people have stated they can't for legal reasons.

 

[legar]

the question stil remains is;

Will they be able to succesfully locate and ban the radar users ??

(XU included, i list that seperate since it uses memory to read from, and not data stream)

i hope they do.. it will at least stop the "fingerpointing when you get rolled" issues on boards.

:kissit:

 

[Kicks]

Something similar was tried when I played UT. There was a mod server side that scanned specific files for anything suspicous and if found it would actually write to file removing to it access. For example when u pressed the 'activate radar' button it would instead of doing this spam 'I'm a retarded cheat' or sommat through the chat so all new he was a cheat.

This kind of discussion was around alot at the time and a lot of ppl complained. But as far as I know the mod still exists and is still in use on many servers. At the end of the day ppl would rather go for a cheat free game and submit to a file/memory check as proof than play with cheats.

Provided the search/scan is limited to genuine cheats then imo go for it.

 

[Gorbash]

cant belive im the first to bring this up.... but counterstrike uses hard disk scanning doesnt it? havnt seen them i court yet afaik?

thoughts?

 

[Fenderon]

GOA reserves the right to modify this Charter at any time and without prior notice. By accepting this Charter, you also accept the changes that may be made to it.

Anyway.. it's an eternal battle.

 

[Ctuchik]

Ahhh, but your contract is with Goa, not Mythic - hence Euro law is applicable.

yes but their contract is with mythic and hence is NOT applicable.....

so afaik they cant really touch it

 

[Sohan_thc]

Good thing , don't care if they scan for active processes or memory *make it a fast scan it is only 2gb to scan*

Mickeysoft scans and sends info back
Norton scans every file they can find and sends info back
ad-aware scans my whole system.

Can't be botherd with it got nuthing to hide on this game machine
my pc containing banking stuff / company work etc has PGP partitions
and is seldom connected to internet with a non M$ os.

Only thing is that they write down somewere that they only scan it
and remove the info from that scan direct from their files if there is nothing found , no further use etc.

I aint got crafting scripts / scanners etc so fine action in my opinion. bring it on

 

[Moo]

I wish i could believe them, however this looks like a scaremongering post with very little basis in fact, it's designed to scare some of the cheaters into not using hacks in NF - i very much doubt if mythic have developed a faster way of detecting users within NF.

One can only hope however...

 

[HerculesPluto]

packet sniffing eh, i want to sniff natalie portmans pants!

 

[Aloca]

No need to post in this thread about specualtions. everything you might think of is in this link:
http://vnboards.ign.com/Merlin/b20666/70468448/p1

Ofc there is loads other threads but they have about same info.

all ends to this: Radar cant be stoped unless they brake the law

 

[Tay]

No need to post in this thread about specualtions. everything you might think of is in this link:
http://vnboards.ign.com/Merlin/b20666/70468448/p1

Ofc there is loads other threads but they have about same info.

all ends to this: Radar cant be stoped unless they brake the law

Of course it can, the question is at what cost?

This is the first of many commercial companies that provide a service which has cheats in it, you can fix all these issues but there would be a negative side to it, that may be performance, lag, disruptions to gameplay etc etc, invasive code to hook the OS at a low level.

They can stop this, mythic have to activly protect thier code, they need to take the upper hand in nailing people that are clearly infringing thier copyrights on reverse engineering etc, it must start with them.

I dont think I'd be prepared to pay the whole price for this kind of fix tho.

 

[Esena]

Something similar was tried when I played UT. There was a mod server side that scanned specific files for anything suspicous and if found it would actually write to file removing to it access. For example when u pressed the 'activate radar' button it would instead of doing this spam 'I'm a retarded cheat' or sommat through the chat so all new he was a cheat.

This kind of discussion was around alot at the time and a lot of ppl complained. But as far as I know the mod still exists and is still in use on many servers. At the end of the day ppl would rather go for a cheat free game and submit to a file/memory check as proof than play with cheats.

Provided the search/scan is limited to genuine cheats then imo go for it.

UTpure5+
CSHP4+
and the program you are meening is ASH ( anti shock hore ), we even had it running on our clan server, it was actually checking UTmenu.u(specially edited utmenu's, if you just changed ur ut menu, you couldn't join a server anyhow, you'd get an UTmenu mismatch error ) and user.ini, nothing more, and it's true about the bind changes, most of the time when active, it does aim, only when you shoot the enemy you can't kill him, cozz you can't do any damage, or just let em suicide when they do ;P

 

[liloe]

Anti-hack tech is always a relief for normal players, however, it's always a matter of weeks, sometimes days, before the creators of cheat software work around it and creating new hacks.

The only way to guarantee an unhackable client is by making the client able to scan memory and HD for cheats and changing the detection program slightly every week with an auto-downloaded security patch and making the client unable to run if it's modified. However, this method of scanning HD often has legal implications.

I do wish that all current users of cheat software and radar get caught and permbanned.

In NF radar becomes obsolete anyway with use of the Warmap and the inherent Lagdar.

sad but so true

 

[Behmoth]

Welcome to the merry world of contract law. IIRC (I did a course on contract law a loooong time ago), there are three conditions that can commonly be used to deem a contract invalid. The first is legality of the contract: the contract cannot have as its subject matter anything illegal. So for example, if I make a contract with Herbal to sell him 10 kilos of weed, it can't be enforced and is invalid (although he may send the boys round to "sort me out" )
The second is capacity of the parties: both parties have to be of age, not drunk or under duress, and the contract has to be represented correctly and not fraudulently.
The third and most often used condition is unconscionability: a contract cannot be grossly unfair to one party. So for example, if you have a contract with someone that says that if you are one day late with a payment, you will owe them £1 billion, that would be unconscionable.

In this case, and with a good lawyer (in the UK at least) you'd have three attack options. The first would be that scanning your memory would be a potential violation of the Data Protection or Computer Misuse Acts, but to be honest I think that would fail as a challenge. The second would be that memory scanning is grossly unfair, but again I think that would fail - it's simply testing to see if you are violating other parts of the CoC, and therefore would be fair.

The third and most likely attack would be that such a clause violated your right to privacy, enshrined in the European Convention on Human Rights. However, I still think you'd need a very good lawyer (and a hungover judge who's desperate to get home early) to get anywhere with that one.

so if i'm pissed/or under the influance the eula and coc is not leagally binding cos 90% of the time i'm on my 6th bottle of stella

 

[Jaem-]

Saddly I doubt it will be long before another version of radar is around tbh, I'm sure Mythric/GoA have tried to counter this cheat before but without much success, unless they've made some ubah break through.