Never invite someone to a BG to help with an encounter!

[[NO]Magmatic]

I'm sorry that GOA feels it has to come to this, Guard of Valour was stolen on sunday from us. However the person that stole Guard of Valour was in the BG for credit.

This is how GOA replied:

Greetings,

Thanks for the report. Unfortunately if Malenkaja was in your BG then he has not stolen the artifact. If someone is a mamber of a group which legitimately completes an encounter then they are fully entitled to all loot gained in the encounter. If there was an agreement betwen the players in the battlegroup that loot would be distributed ina certain way (for example a certain character would recieve the GoV or that only certain characters would be able to lotto for it), then we cannot enforce that agreement.
In this situation, Malenkaja has not broken our rules however he has almost certainly broken the commonly accepted community rules of fair play and therefore the community should deal with him. I would suggest dealing with the GM of his guild and applying pressure that way.

Yours sincerely,
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European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager

This person was *not* in the group that killed Danos, this person was *not* allowed to hit Danos...

You think your kind in letting someone get credit for an encounter, and this is how GOA repays your kindness after someone steals the artifact!

Thats not dealing with the community, thats freaking breaking it down... I'll never *ever* invite someone in my bg for credit, ever again...

Yes, with GoV this might not be possible anymore after 1.70... But with Maddening Scalars, it is... With Cloudsong, it is...

Btw, if it gets stolen, you can kiss your artifact goodbye, GOA will *not* return it to you, even if you clearly did *ALL* the damage to the mob...

 

[Runolas]

that utterly sux...

 

[Xplo]

Name and shame! Post all of Malajenkas alts

 

[Summoner]

Malenkaja is ebayed several times from what i know. Original owner has sold his acc 1.5+ years ago.

 

[Basic_X]

that realy suxed, just becouse they were in the same bg none will be punished? dam it will be hard to get encounters now

 

[Khrin]

nice going goa, no more encounters for those that cant get the ppl together...

 

[Huntingtons]

if a gm is on at the given time, pm him and they usually bust some sence into the thief

 

[TeSi]

With this attitude think i never get encounters.
Hope ppl with the same problem to get help have me in ur friend list

No all in this realm are thiefs.

 

[Calmity]

Goa..is a joke
ruin the game more please

 

[tookha]

Ah man.. GoA really does their best for the community, yeah.. uke:

Oh, and kindly fuck off, Maxhmos and <other tard whose name i cba spelling> !

 

[Zenith]

I'm sorry that GOA feels it has to come to this, Guard of Valour was stolen on sunday from us. However the person that stole Guard of Valour was in the BG for credit.

This is how GOA replied:

This person was *not* in the group that killed Danos, this person was *not* allowed to hit Danos...

You think your kind in letting someone get credit for an encounter, and this is how GOA repays your kindness after someone steals the artifact!

Thats not dealing with the community, thats freaking breaking it down... I'll never *ever* invite someone in my bg for credit, ever again...

Yes, with GoV this might not be possible anymore after 1.70... But with Maddening Scalars, it is... With Cloudsong, it is...

Btw, if it gets stolen, you can kiss your artifact goodbye, GOA will *not* return it to you, even if you clearly did *ALL* the damage to the mob...

Still, its GoA and Mythics policy, if the he was a member of a battlegrp, he can take the artifact without breaking any rule. Live with it, and play after that.

 

[tookha]

As there is not much else to do, i believe he plays with the rules - but will never invite someone to BG for encounter. The very point of the thread tbh

 

[[NO]Magmatic]

Exactly, I will never risk losing an artifact because that person is in my BG again... The whole point of the thread is to point out how flawed this view from GOA is, and that it doesnt help the community...

Basicly our guild policy from this day forward is that no one will ever get invited in our BG's for encounters, I'm sorry but I'm not willing to risk losing my artifact due to whatever reason...

I think we've been very generous in the past with this and always invite people into the BG for credit... But those days, at least for Pure Vision, are over...

I'm betting that telling someone he cant hit a mob, when he's in the BG, isnt of use either, as he's part of the 'group', and as such, hitting the artifact mob wouldnt be considered against the CoC either...

 

[Fedaykin]

QQ Mag

 

[Whisperess]

Have been invited to several BG's for credit, and never stolen any artifact.

Shame that GOA's decision makes even the first part near impossible now (unless you know the people in question)

What loot level does artifacts fall under? As in, isn't it possible to set BG loot level and treasurer within the original group that is doing the artifact?

 

[Tsapis]

because some ppl are thiefs some other hones ones will never get encounters for that they want!!that really sucks!!most of the players are not thiefs but however there are some exceptions!!

 

[Jayce]

Exactly, I will never risk losing an artifact because that person is in my BG again... The whole point of the thread is to point out how flawed this view from GOA is, and that it doesnt help the community...

Basicly our guild policy from this day forward is that no one will ever get invited in our BG's for encounters, I'm sorry but I'm not willing to risk losing my artifact due to whatever reason...

I think we've been very generous in the past with this and always invite people into the BG for credit... But those days, at least for Pure Vision, are over...

I'm betting that telling someone he cant hit a mob, when he's in the BG, isnt of use either, as he's part of the 'group', and as such, hitting the artifact mob wouldnt be considered against the CoC either...

I can understand your anger and simpathise with you, hell even agree with you over the fucking thief, but rather then exclude ALL from possibly getting credit when, lets be honest, most ARE honest people why not use the following commnads ..

/bg loot treasurer
/bg treasurer <insert your character name here>
/bg lootlevel 35

.. that way anything picked up by anyone in the BG that is over lvl 35 loot (so all scrolls, drops and artifacts) go to the character specified in the /bg treasurer command ?

Seems this way you get what you want and can still be 'nice' to those in need ? No point LETTING these thieves ruin the community, surely ?

 

[Helme]

That would have worked... IF GoV dropped as a normal drop.. but it doesn't everyone can pick it up thats how they did it :/

 

[Castus]

Not sure if i dislike these thiefs asmuch as those who roll for an artifact just to sell it on when others in Bg wanna activate it tbh.

 

[fotm]

Not sure if i dislike these thiefs asmuch as those who roll for an artifact just to sell it on when others in Bg wanna activate it tbh.

Whats wrong with that really? ppl dont sell stuff for fun or to get as many plats as possible, they do it to afford other artifacts they want

Lets say i roll for shades of mist, win the lotto then sell it for xx plats, thanks to that i will be able to buy cloudsong i wanted for a while, so in other words i just won cloudsong in that roll for shades of mist, dont see whats wrong with that

 

[Castus]

Whats wrong with that really? ppl dont sell stuff for fun or to get as many plats as possible, they do it to afford other artifacts they want

Lets say i roll for shades of mist, win the lotto then sell it for xx plats, thanks to that i will be able to buy cloudsong i wanted for a while, so in other words i just won cloudsong in that roll for shades of mist, dont see whats wrong with that

Make a grp and go get that arti then instead .Frustrates me when i see lots of artis on 1 guys CM rusting away which i can`t afford to buy when i`ve done the hunt lots of times and lost on randoms

 

[Calo]

will i get a bg invite ?

 

[Fenderon]

will i get a bg invite ?

will I? all I really need is credit for Shades of Mist on the sb .. already got cloak and book on standby.

would it help if I dont help with encounter?

oh and dont worry calo.. I'll invite you!

 

[Marczje]

Perhaps you should only invite them if they're from a guild that has the reputation of not stealing at all?
Anyway, the chances of an unguilded guy camping danos on his own asking for credit is at least a little bit suspicious since whatever he will do with the encounter, the chances to get a GoV unguilded are quite low, imo.

 

[IainC]

Our policy is like this for the simple reason that we can't possibly police agreements between players. How do we punish someone for breaking an agreement with someone else, they haven't broken our published rules so we have no right to slap them with our range of punishments. If we did, we then get into the murky ground of 'he said, she said'. What if the raid was planned on IRC and the rules agreed there? What if the raid was organised in say Swedish? Anyone in the group or BG that completes an encounter is equally entitled to the loot from it. Agreements made between players aren't part of our published CoC and thus we can't get involved. And yes, if he's part of your BG then he is entitled to hit, cast at or otherwise get involved in the encounter.
It's only stealing if the person is nothing to do with the group or BG that completed the encounter but picks up the artifact anyway.

 

[Huntingtons]

nvm ;x

 

[Thorgood]

I can understand your anger and simpathise with you, hell even agree with you over the fucking thief, but rather then exclude ALL from possibly getting credit when, lets be honest, most ARE honest people why not use the following commnads ..

/bg loot treasurer
/bg treasurer <insert your character name here>
/bg lootlevel 35

.. that way anything picked up by anyone in the BG that is over lvl 35 loot (so all scrolls, drops and artifacts) go to the character specified in the /bg treasurer command ?

Seems this way you get what you want and can still be 'nice' to those in need ? No point LETTING these thieves ruin the community, surely ?

As he said... always do a treasuerer so you don't get rolled over.. Too late now but for further encounters.. Don't let this person ruin it for the rest out there that needs help with any encounters.

 

[tookha]

That would have worked... IF GoV dropped as a normal drop.. but it doesn't everyone can pick it up thats how they did it :/

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[[NO]Magmatic]

Our policy is like this for the simple reason that we can't possibly police agreements between players. How do we punish someone for breaking an agreement with someone else, they haven't broken our published rules so we have no right to slap them with our range of punishments. If we did, we then get into the murky ground of 'he said, she said'. What if the raid was planned on IRC and the rules agreed there? What if the raid was organised in say Swedish? Anyone in the group or BG that completes an encounter is equally entitled to the loot from it. Agreements made between players aren't part of our published CoC and thus we can't get involved. And yes, if he's part of your BG then he is entitled to hit, cast at or otherwise get involved in the encounter.
It's only stealing if the person is nothing to do with the group or BG that completed the encounter but picks up the artifact anyway.

If all the artifacts dropped like normal loot, there would never have been a misunderstanding, there would never have been a problem, although I've seen weird cases where loot went to people that didnt do much during a raid...

Even *if* the person isnt part of the BG, like in our first steal... We still dont get the artifact back... Even though all the damage was done by us...

The community cant police itself, as we have no way of taking actions, the people where not part of a guild, so there's no guildmaster to complain against... And even then, the people that steal artifacts obviously dont care about the community...

So as a result, I advice no one to invite people outside the original artifact raid group(s), as you might never see your artifact back and the person running away with it will never get punished... I assure you, this will be our guild policy from this day forward...

You might have also made this very clear when BG's got introduced, I would have never invited people for GoV credit, not that it matters, as it would still have been stolen... And we still wouldnt have gotten GoV back... But at least then the person stealing it would get banned...

I suggest adding this to the friday news, so everyone knows where GOA stands on this... So no one can become a victim of their kindness...

 

[IainC]

If all the artifacts dropped like normal loot, there would never have been a misunderstanding, there would never have been a problem, although I've seen weird cases where loot went to people that didnt do much during a raid...

Even *if* the person isnt part of the BG, like in our first steal... We still dont get the artifact back... Even though all the damage was done by us...

The community cant police itself, as we have no way of taking actions, the people where not part of a guild, so there's no guildmaster to complain against... And even then, the people that steal artifacts obviously dont care about the community...

So as a result, I advice no one to invite people outside the original artifact raid group(s), as you might never see your artifact back and the person running away with it will never get punished... I assure you, this will be our guild policy from this day forward...

You might have also made this very clear when BG's got introduced, I would have never invited people for GoV credit, not that it matters, as it would still have been stolen... And we still wouldnt have gotten GoV back... But at least then the person stealing it would get banned...

I suggest adding this to the friday news, so everyone knows where GOA stands on this... So no one can become a victim of their kindness...

As already stated by a couple of others in this thread, from 1.70, GoV and Cloudsong no longer drop to the ground so using the /bg treasurer and /bg lootlevel commands, you can protect yourself from this kind of problem when you have randoms in your BG.