Never invite someone to a BG to help with an encounter!

[Fenderon]

this might be a bit off topic.. but what about shades of mist? I couldnt find anything about it in patchnotes that sojourners can no longer teleport away with it, however Staff of God and another arti was fixed.

on topic: the cloak there drops just like GoV and CS in 1.69 afaik, so anyone can pick it up after a giant sheep is killed?

to be sure though I'll go re-read patchnotes for third time

 

[Lhyme]

If all the artifacts dropped like normal loot, there would never have been a misunderstanding, there would never have been a problem, although I've seen weird cases where loot went to people that didnt do much during a raid...

Even *if* the person isnt part of the BG, like in our first steal... We still dont get the artifact back... Even though all the damage was done by us...

The community cant police itself, as we have no way of taking actions, the people where not part of a guild, so there's no guildmaster to complain against... And even then, the people that steal artifacts obviously dont care about the community...

So as a result, I advice no one to invite people outside the original artifact raid group(s), as you might never see your artifact back and the person running away with it will never get punished... I assure you, this will be our guild policy from this day forward...

You might have also made this very clear when BG's got introduced, I would have never invited people for GoV credit, not that it matters, as it would still have been stolen... And we still wouldnt have gotten GoV back... But at least then the person stealing it would get banned...

I suggest adding this to the friday news, so everyone knows where GOA stands on this... So no one can become a victim of their kindness...

I feel some sympathy whit you, but dont you think you'r taking this a bit to far ?
What you suggest, capitol punishment ? It's a total imaginary item in a game !!
I for once can only say that im happy that Goa wont try police between players.
And do you think you are doin anything good to the game communty whit a statement like that ? "Never invite someone to a BG to help with an encounter!"

 

[Phule_Gubben]

As already stated by a couple of others in this thread, from 1.70, GoV and Cloudsong no longer drop to the ground so using the /bg treasurer and /bg lootlevel commands, you can protect yourself from this kind of problem when you have randoms in your BG.

According to patchnotes it don't mention that cloudsong goes to bg loot. So i really hope you're right when you say that.

 

[Dinamics]

Sorry to hear GoV got stolen as i am new to game i am discovering artifacts my self latly but some people are just selfish some times i mean Maxhmos looked pretty good with hes armor had GoV i think but i guess theres always the ood few who we cant trust

 

[Dinamics]

Well in some cases more than the Odd Few





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Healer 46 [Mids In Black] RR1L0

 

[IainC]

According to patchnotes it don't mention that cloudsong goes to bg loot. So i really hope you're right when you say that.

Ah apologies, just rechecked and Cloudsong gets fixed in 1.71.

 

[Namefake]

Short insert from 1.70 Patch note,

"Danos now drops the Guard of Valor artifact as treasure, instead of placing it on the ground for any player to pick up."

Just incase..

 

[tookha]

And do you think you are doin anything good to the game communty whit a statement like that ? "Never invite someone to a BG to help with an encounter!"

At least i think it's good that these things are brought up. I won't stop inviting people to BG for encounters etc, but I surely won't invite the thiefs mentioned.

However, if I was to do Cloudsong encounter, I'd keep the BG to a minimum.
(same with Scalars I suppose, although that's a cheap artifact^^)

 

[Allways]

GoA = Gays

 

[Phule_Gubben]

Ah apologies, just rechecked and Cloudsong gets fixed in 1.71.

Hotfix plz plzplzplzplzplzplzplz... with butter and marmelade on the side. !!!

 

[Whisperess]

GoA = Gays

Takes one to know one, or how is it the saying goes?

 

[Lhyme]

GoA = Gays

U very cool me very impressed... Did you came up whit that all by your self ?

 

[Limbonic]

To quote a guild mate!: ToA is Poorly conceived and badly implemented, it has done more damage to the game and the community than all the nerfs and cock-ups that went before it rolled into one...

And i totally agree. ToA brings out the worst in most ppl.

 

[Detonation TnT]

Malenkaja is ebayed several times from what i know. Original owner has sold his acc 1.5+ years ago.

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=39668&page=3

Now i am ebayed..... lol since when ?

As i say 2morrow ill be off for 3 days and ill give it back.... or ill pay for it...

 

[Akyma]

To quote a guild mate!: ToA is Poorly conceived and badly implemented, it has done more damage to the game and the community than all the nerfs and cock-ups that went before it rolled into one...

And i totally agree. ToA brings out the worst in most ppl.

agree

 

[Himse]

agree

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Perhaps you should only invite them if they're from a guild that has the reputation of not stealing at all?

so all guilds except BC ? =D

 

[Cameron]

Exactly, I will never risk losing an artifact because that person is in my BG again... QUOTE]

I sympathise with the situation perhaps a better solution would be to not to say never but vet any people who want credit by assessing if they are in a respected guild then if necessary speak to the gm of the guild to confirm theyre ok.

There may not be the time to do this but Im sure there will be some instances where possible. There truly are *lots* of genuinue ppl out there who need credit and won't steal an arti (like me) - its a shame that the minority have to ruin in for the majority.

 

[[NO]Magmatic]

I sympathise with the situation perhaps a better solution would be to not to say never but vet any people who want credit by assessing if they are in a respected guild then if necessary speak to the gm of the guild to confirm theyre ok.

What would you if I said that Maxhmos was in a respected guild, I wont mention which as it has no relevance to the issue... But apparently he was a new member (2 days), would you expect us to PM the GM of the guild to find out if its a new member or not?

Anyways, for us its not that big of an issue anymore anyhow, we only have a couple of more artifacts to go... After that its leveling, leveling and a little more leveling...

 

[tookha]

To quote a guild mate!: ToA is Poorly conceived and badly implemented, it has done more damage to the game and the community than all the nerfs and cock-ups that went before it rolled into one...

And i totally agree. ToA brings out the worst in most ppl.

agree

Now that's rich

 

[kiliarien]

Haven't been able to quote this:

Greetings,

Thanks for the report. Unfortunately if Malenkaja was in your BG then he has not stolen the artifact. If someone is a mamber of a group which legitimately completes an encounter then they are fully entitled to all loot gained in the encounter. If there was an agreement betwen the players in the battlegroup that loot would be distributed ina certain way (for example a certain character would recieve the GoV or that only certain characters would be able to lotto for it), then we cannot enforce that agreement.
In this situation, Malenkaja has not broken our rules however he has almost certainly broken the commonly accepted community rules of fair play and therefore the community should deal with him. I would suggest dealing with the GM of his guild and applying pressure that way.

Yours sincerely,
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European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager

Several points I'd like to make clear to the Community Manager:

1. Get a monkey who can actually spell to write your e-mails
2. Explain what you mean by 'commonly accepted' community rules, in the real community of life we have a higher force to deal with this form of foul play (police, for example) - why should we police our own game when you're there to do it? In this instance I believe you're right but you seem to have made very little attempt to police anything else.
3. Try applying pressure to a character without a GM. Please sugggest an alternative to 'be nasty to someone if you see them' or have you got that pathetic?
4. Account for yourself Community Manager - who are you? I want a name or details seeming as you like to make yourself known in some way. A thread to talk to you would do.

:touch:

 

[Uku]

aye i agree kiliarien , ive played many mmorpg's and they all have a 'policing' body of some type. in the states on daoc they seem to get alot more involved too. it seems to me like mythic have payed Goa to produce a skeleton crew on minimal budget to keep the servers barely running , hence the probs with lag and the time it takes to sort out , hence the time it takes to respond to enquirys , hence the lack of assistance on any matter at all tbh. im not gonna point any fingers at individuals but im not gonna keep quiet about my opinions either. if what said is true feel welcome to send this letter to mythic in the states. thx for your time.

 

[Dubaxter]

What the hell are you lot all having a go at GOA for.

Yes this was totally unacceptable and should not have happened but their email made perfect sense to me, the game has been made in such a way that BG's work very well except for situations like this and hopefully this kind of thing is a very small %.

You can not blame GOA like some of you have.

 

[Gungo]

Agree with you dubaxter, not goa's problem this one really, although i beleive they should police the game a little better, but thats another thread

 

[majik]

Thank you for bumping this thread.

 

[Lothandar]

Thank you for bumping this thread.

M8, please don't thread-camp, I need encounter.

 

[majik]

M8, please don't thread-camp, I need encounter.

I'd invite you to my bg, but you'd steal the drop.

 

[tookha]

Can I come for supar-credits? Pwetty pweeeease?

 

[majik]

Can I come for supar-credits? Pwetty pweeeease?

Can come now, its been changed to BG loot!