N.Irish MP with balls

[Zede]

Humans. The only creature on the planet as a race that will not live in natural equilibrium with the planet's systems. That is most definitely a fact.

On the topic of this bloke: he basically claims it's god's will that temperatures are like they are if you read inside his notes and other quotes (check 'em, they are out there). I don't need this twat pushing faith as a policy.

He claims the 'theory' of global warming is just that. That some scientists disagree. Yes they do, but a massive minority. I suppose some could say 'yes, a massive minority believed the earth was round and so the few loons of the time were right' which is a self-perpetuating argument that is utter BS because actually the cosmological society then was massively governed and/or influenced by religion and so anyone who mentioned it was a heretic. Not so in these days. Scientists from all walks of life and every type of science seem to agree without the threat of being called a total freak.

This bloke wants to make a point. Fine. One of them is why curb petrol use with taxes when we could build flood defences instead?! So, he wants to go for reactionary measures rather than preventative ones?? That's like saying - right people - we won't try and cure cancer, we'll just treat all the people who get it. Oh dear.

This man is a serious cock.

Let's just come up with an agreement - surely we should come up with new ways to use fuel and reduce, reuse & recycle products just so the bloody stuff doesn't run out. I don't need things getting more expensive because we've been wasteful.

lol, funneh to see someone who actually falls for the global warming we are to blame bullshit.

Hook, line & sinker, they got ya'. You can now join the 'live in fear' club with the rest of the sheeple.

 

[Golena]

He's right about one thing however, which is we really arn't doing anything like enough to work out how to cope with it when it happens and everything to do with how to stop it happening. Just look at how many people get flooded every year.

Surely it's quite possible that global warming is happening because the sun has started outputting more heat, or we've moved closer to it. (The fact mars is warming up would also support that theory, more so than martians are also driving around in land rovers).

The climate on earth changes over time. That's pretty much a fact. Just because it's changing doesn't mean we are necessarily doing it, or are we going to blame the last ice age on us as well?

Oh and I know of at least one product produced that actually used more power when you put it in standby, not less, so don't kid yourself that's always the answer.

Using less power/developing other power sources isn't a bad thing to do. Just don't kid yourself that by doing so your definately going to save the planet in the form it's in today...

 

[Bugz]

Co2 emissions, all other things holding constant, speed up global warming.

To deny that much is to deny physics.

How much we actually contribute to the warming of the earth; some scientists say 0.2 degrees in the past century, some say up to a degree.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You're an asshole you know that.


But ok. You use your crappy quote and we'll talk in 3 months.

Nah, just calling on your bull. Yeah, i'm being an a-hole about that particular thing, but you f*cking called it

or not as the case maybe

True, fair enough

Woopie, 1 degree effect on the global warming. We're gonna die out of this planet in a 1000 years instead of 990?!

Aaanyway, scientists thought the nuke would either 50% not work, and 50% cause a chain reaction that would destroy the universe, so trusting egg-heads without doubt is not a good idea

 

[Gorbachioo]

Gorb what makes you think environmental factors will hit the fan in 3 months time?

Who said anything about the environment? The economy is the nr1 concern right now and thats what i was talking about. Peak oil, environment etc will come soon after.

and tohtori: You're not "calling on my bull", you're just being an asshole. You use a very obscure quote when i could give a you a new one that leaves no doubt what im talking about. "Our way of life is about to end" doesnt really tell what i mean. So when we have this discussion in 3 months we'll just end up bickering what that quote means.

So if you want to see was i right or not 3 months from now, then you will allow me to make my case clearly.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Then do, go right ahead.

*waits*

No one's stopping you. Listening.

The quote is not obscure though, and i have no doubt you'll just say something completely different, but go right ahead.

 

[Zede]

Then do, go right ahead.

*waits*

No one's stopping you. Listening.

The quote is not obscure though, and i have no doubt you'll just say something completely different, but go right ahead.

*and the young rival is in the corner, tohtori' has him boxed in* *gorbo swings a low jab, but misses !* *upper cut from totty ! *, I think its all over...

 

[Gorbachioo]

And here it is:

About 3 months from this moment (February 2009) the coming financial collapse will begin properly. Our standard of living in the west, and in most other parts of the world, will decline so much that describing it as "the end of our way of life" will not be an exaggeration. However, this is only the beginning. As soon as we hit the bottom and start climbing back up again oil production will peak and oil prices will become extremely high again, probably passing the records of last summer. This will send us to a new depression and this time it wont get better. By this time the effects of environmental degradation have become unavoidable and there will be alot of conflict in the third world. This combined with the depletion of other resources will send some parts of the world in to complete chaos similar to Somalia today. If the west understands the situation in time we might avoid this by building an economy thats based on alternative energy and isnt dependant on other parts of the world.

Society as we know it now will end no matter what, but in the end it might not be that bad for us in Europe if we understand the situation in time and act on it. But whatever we do, the old consumerism will end by next summer. The change probably wont be sudden, but we've gone past the peak already. Its all downhill from here.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh, so now it's gone from "end of our way" to "it begins about then and our way ends somewhere along the line".

Yeah, nice cop-out.

But in any case, fine, i'll call you on your "economy crash" in three months then.

And a lovely little cop-out in your post "for us Europeans it MIGHT not be bad" :lol:

Not to mention, gaming industry and our company is booming despite your prediction that i'll be out of the business. Another gorb special serving of steaming pile of..nothing

 

[Gorbachioo]

Oh, so now it's gone from "end of our way" to "it begins about then and our way ends somewhere along the line".

Yeah, nice cop-out.

But in any case, fine, i'll call you on your "economy crash" in three months then.

And a lovely little cop-out in your post "for us Europeans it MIGHT not be bad" :lol:

Not to mention, gaming industry and our company is booming despite your prediction that i'll be out of the business. Another gorb special serving of steaming pile of..nothing

Oh come on. I have never said that 3 months from now nukes will start falling from the sky.

For us europeans might not be THAT bad. As in not as bad as it will be in some parts of Africa and the middle east.

As for the gaming industry: guaranteed to disappear almost entirely soon. I'll give it a year.

See you in 3 months.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh come on. I have never said that 3 months from now nukes will start falling from the sky.

For us europeans might not be THAT bad. As in not as bad as it will be in some parts of Africa and the middle east.

As for the gaming industry: guaranteed to disappear almost entirely soon. I'll give it a year.

See you in 3 months.

Yes yes, longer deadlines on your claims and "it's not gonna be THAT bad" when first saying "it's gonna be THAT bad" is nothing new.

Doommonger who won't admit when he's been wrong because usually noone remembers/cares.

I thought i'd call you up on your claim.

But certainly that's another nice thing to remember from you; gaming industry is gone in a year. Riiight. And you can't take that back or say there's anything "obscure" about it. Gone, year, your words.

Even if you said i'd be unemployed by summer

 

[Bugz]

And here it is:

About 3 months from this moment (February 2009) the coming financial collapse will begin properly. Our standard of living in the west, and in most other parts of the world, will decline so much that describing it as "the end of our way of life" will not be an exaggeration. However, this is only the beginning. As soon as we hit the bottom and start climbing back up again oil production will peak and oil prices will become extremely high again, probably passing the records of last summer. This will send us to a new depression and this time it wont get better. By this time the effects of environmental degradation have become unavoidable and there will be alot of conflict in the third world. This combined with the depletion of other resources will send some parts of the world in to complete chaos similar to Somalia today. If the west understands the situation in time we might avoid this by building an economy thats based on alternative energy and isnt dependant on other parts of the world.

Society as we know it now will end no matter what, but in the end it might not be that bad for us in Europe if we understand the situation in time and act on it. But whatever we do, the old consumerism will end by next summer. The change probably wont be sudden, but we've gone past the peak already. Its all downhill from here.

The fact you seem to correlate economic depressions with a single exogenous factor such as oil prices really muffles your arguement from the start. The financial collapse is something we have suffered from before; both nationally and internationally. The economy bounced back.

You are also exaggerating what is happening to the economy. It is not much more than a credit crunch coupled with confidence issues. Unfortunately, when the two combine, shit hits the fan. But shit hitting the fan does not equate to 'standards of living dropping massively,' nor does it signify massive changes to the whole economy. Granted, the economy will change, but that's diversification, expansion and development - not something drastic hitting the country and making us all pay for the rest of our lifes.

In the 1930's, when the U.K was in the depression, eveyrone signalled the same views as you: 'doom, doom, doom.' They were wrong. The Malthusians got trampled all off by the faithful Boserups, and to this day and age, I can't think of many situations where the Malthusians have been right on a global scale. Everything in economics comes back down to supply and demand. If the demand is there for peak oil, and the supply is there, peak oil will dominate. Environmental conditions aside, this will stay the norm until supply no longer satisfies demand or vice versa. Such companies will then inject massive amounts of money into other energy-methods. Conglomerates will rise up; vertical integration will suck the whole of the energy sourcing companies into one big plethora of innovative methods and the economy will recover, change; adapt. People will get caught up in the cross-fire, but that is inevitable.

Both the history of economics and the history of malthus vs. boserup are arguing against you Gorb.

 

[Bugz]

P.S - I'm not actually arguing against you Gorb as frankly, to try and predict so rashly is impossible in today's climate. All I'm saying is, history is against you, and history is the only real evidence we have at the moment.

What you are saying is interesting none-the-less, and i do agree on conditions that will affect us generally; but nothing so exaggerated as you seem to believe.

 

[Gorbachioo]

The fact you seem to correlate economic depressions with a single exogenous factor such as oil prices really muffles your arguement from the start. The financial collapse is something we have suffered from before; both nationally and internationally. The economy bounced back.

You are also exaggerating what is happening to the economy. It is not much more than a credit crunch coupled with confidence issues. Unfortunately, when the two combine, shit hits the fan. But shit hitting the fan does not equate to 'standards of living dropping massively,' nor does it signify massive changes to the whole economy. Granted, the economy will change, but that's diversification, expansion and development - not something drastic hitting the country and making us all pay for the rest of our lifes.

In the 1930's, when the U.K was in the depression, eveyrone signalled the same views as you: 'doom, doom, doom.' They were wrong. The Malthusians got trampled all off by the faithful Boserups, and to this day and age, I can't think of many situations where the Malthusians have been right on a global scale. Everything in economics comes back down to supply and demand. If the demand is there for peak oil, and the supply is there, peak oil will dominate. Environmental conditions aside, this will stay the norm until supply no longer satisfies demand or vice versa. Such companies will then inject massive amounts of money into other energy-methods. Conglomerates will rise up; vertical integration will suck the whole of the energy sourcing companies into one big plethora of innovative methods and the economy will recover, change; adapt. People will get caught up in the cross-fire, but that is inevitable.

Both the history of economics and the history of malthus vs. boserup are arguing against you Gorb.

If this credit crunch had never occurred and the oil prices had just kept rising then that would have caused a crisis on its own. And you cant bounce back from such a crisis if you dont fix what caused it in the first place - and we dont know how to replace oil. (We have replacements but they are not as cheap)

As for the economic crisis right now. The expert opinion is starting to be that this one is comparable to the great depression which to me atleast justifies the "doom". But as i said this is just the beginning. In the end, it doesnt matter whether this depression happens or not. The system is unsustainable. We can not keep consuming if there is nothing to consume. We dont produce things, we extract them from the ground.

 

[Gorbachioo]

P.S - I'm not actually arguing against you Gorb as frankly, to try and predict so rashly is impossible in today's climate. All I'm saying is, history is against you, and history is the only real evidence we have at the moment.

What you are saying is interesting none-the-less, and i do agree on conditions that will affect us generally; but nothing so exaggerated as you seem to believe.

Yes trying to predict the future right now is impossible. Thats why i can not tell tohtori what will happen to Europe for example because the biggest variable is us. How we will react to all of this. Some parts of the world really are completely doomed, but Europe is not. We can still ensure a fairly good future if we act wisely.

But what i can say is this: Our economies will die, because they are based on wasting enormous amounts of natural resources. Those resources will eventually run out and we can not consume something that isnt there. The rest is up to us.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Thats why i can not tell tohtori what will happen to Europe for example

*fell off chair laughing*

Suddenly your predictions aren't predictions? Suddenly you're not "always right"? Suddenly you can't tell that the gaming industry will for certain die in a year?

Jesus mary and josef with a cherry on top for buddha....

 

[Gorbachioo]

*fell off chair laughing*

Suddenly your predictions aren't predictions? Suddenly you're not "always right"? Suddenly you can't tell that the gaming industry will for certain die in a year?

Jesus mary and josef with a cherry on top for buddha....

If you dont even try to understand, then why do you bother replying?

I have not made any other predictions concerning Europe other than "our way of life is about to end" and i already said that our economies will die which will result in such a decline in our standard of living that it can be described as the end of our way of life. The "our economies will die" includes the gaming industry and your job. Whether you'll loose by it summer or next year i dont know. Depends on what kind of a company you're working for.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't bother anymore because you've proven what i've been saying all along; you're a doommonger.

You go around screaming "the game industry is going to be for sure dead in a year", yet, now it's suddenly "it might go".

You've done plenty of predictions, clear cut "way of life ends!" "oil stops running!" "no more heat!" etc. Yet now, that i called you on it, you've gone softypoo and just say platituted politician crap that means nothing.

Just like me saying "Laddey is gonna die!", then, when laddey doesn't, i'd say "Oh i meant that if someone were to be mean and attack laddey, in a deadly enough force, he'd die."

Last post case in point; suddenly the gaming industry will die, but a gaming company i work for, might not die.

 

[Bugz]

History speaks better than a teenager who reads too many dystopian novels atm Gorb.

Back up your claims elsewise your credibility just drops more into the ground.

 

[Gorbachioo]

History speaks better than a teenager who reads too many dystopian novels atm Gorb.

Back up your claims elsewise your credibility just drops more into the ground.

So you're using the age card on me?!

History doesnt help in this situation because there has never been a situation like this before. The only thing that it can tell us is how people react when something like this happens and we dont have a very good record there.

And what would you like me to back up that i already havent?

tohtori just forget it, discussing with you is useless. I wonder when im going to learn that.

 

[Bugz]

You have a loose understanding of economics and you can't back up your claims in any way.

Your doomsaying is nothing more than a failed attempt to sound educated in a forum that seems to be winning tbh.

=/

 

[old.Tohtori]

tohtori just forget it, discussing with you is useless. I wonder when im going to learn that.

Ofcourse it is, it's very useless when you're not right.

I'll prove it in *check wrist* about 3 months, then again next year and so on, and so on.

By the way Gorb, i wouldn't mind your postings if you said things like "there might be a problem with the economy as soon as 6 months from now, unless something changes". But you go and declare doomsday on everything, wood, oil, economy, weather...

 

[Zede]

Yes trying to predict the future right now is impossible. Thats why i can not tell tohtori what will happen to Europe for example because the biggest variable is us. How we will react to all of this. Some parts of the world really are completely doomed, but Europe is not. We can still ensure a fairly good future if we act wisely.

But what i can say is this: Our economies will die, because they are based on wasting enormous amounts of natural resources. Those resources will eventually run out and we can not consume something that isnt there. The rest is up to us.

Space, the final frontier.

Go go Elon ! and Rickie too, run out of resources ? Try space. Elon & Rickie are giving it a go at least.

 

[Lamp]

And here it is:

About 3 months from this moment (February 2009) the coming financial collapse will begin properly. Our standard of living in the west, and in most other parts of the world, will decline so much that describing it as "the end of our way of life" will not be an exaggeration. However, this is only the beginning. As soon as we hit the bottom and start climbing back up again oil production will peak and oil prices will become extremely high again, probably passing the records of last summer. This will send us to a new depression and this time it wont get better. By this time the effects of environmental degradation have become unavoidable and there will be alot of conflict in the third world. This combined with the depletion of other resources will send some parts of the world in to complete chaos similar to Somalia today. If the west understands the situation in time we might avoid this by building an economy thats based on alternative energy and isnt dependant on other parts of the world.

Society as we know it now will end no matter what, but in the end it might not be that bad for us in Europe if we understand the situation in time and act on it. But whatever we do, the old consumerism will end by next summer. The change probably wont be sudden, but we've gone past the peak already. Its all downhill from here.

This guy's on a wind up. Surely.

 

[Zede]

So you're using the age card on me?!

History doesnt help in this situation because there has never been a situation like this before. The only thing that it can tell us is how people react when something like this happens and we dont have a very good record there.

And what would you like me to back up that i already havent?

tohtori just forget it, discussing with you is useless. I wonder when im going to learn that.

What you fail to understand is, a lot of the people posting on this thread were once arrogant 16 year olds thinking they had it all sussed. Your no different.

 

[Gorbachioo]

You have a loose understanding of economics and you can't back up your claims in any way.

Your doomsaying is nothing more than a failed attempt to sound educated in a forum that seems to be winning tbh.

=/

But then, i already said that the state of the economy is meaningless in the end. We'll run out of resources with or without the credit crunch.

You have made some good points about the economy but you still havent realised that im not talking about stocks and credit problems. Im talking about much deeper problems.

 

[old.Tohtori]

But then, i already said that the state of the economy is meaningless in the end. We'll run out of resources with or without the credit crunch.

You have made some good points about the economy but you still havent realised that im not talking about stocks and credit problems. Im talking about much deeper problems.

So now it doesn't start with an economical crisis afterall?

*put hands on cheeks*

Doooo tell *blinks jap schoolgirl style*

 

[Zede]

But then, i already said that the state of the economy is meaningless in the end. We'll run out of resources with or without the credit crunch.

You have made some good points about the economy but you still havent realised that im not talking about stocks and credit problems. Im talking about much deeper problems.

Jacques Cousteau once tried to go as deep as Gorbo, but failed. Miners deep in the diamond mines of South Africa were said to have gone deeper than Gorbo, but they never came back up. 10000 Indian Sadhus were so deep in meditation, they saw God and told him to move aside, he was getting in the way of the quest to go as deep as Gorbo. So is the wisdom of Gorbo, for he is the Kwisatz Haderach.

Hes talking deep boys, real deep.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Jacques Cousteau once tried to go as deep as Gorbo, but failed. Miners deep in the diamond mines of South Africa were said to have gone deeper than Gorbo, but they never came back up. 10000 Indian Sadhus were so deep in meditation, they saw God and told him to move aside, he was getting in the way of the quest to go as deep as Gorbo. So is the wisdom of Gorbo, for he is the Kwisatz Haderach.

Hes talking deep boys, real deep.

One question zede.
















Have you ever met a pot smoking global warming denying zionist?

 

[Zede]

One question zede.













Have you ever met a pot smoking global warming denying zionist?

about 50, why ?