N.Irish MP with balls

[Zede]

Belfast environment chief bans climate change ads - Yahoo! News

About time someone in 'power' dared to be different. I agree with him totally.

His own web site with his full views on the matter :

SammyWilson.org

He's got balls to take on, oh everyone.

 

[Fafnir]

Yeah we all should just play russian roulette with the planet and see who wins. But in the end i guess he's just out after some headlines.

And seems he mostly thinks about the money instead of the future of what might happen.

And alot of the appliances we got at home, use lot of power even when turned off to standby. I checked my digital box, the electric usage went down 1% when i put it on standby. After starting pulling the plugs out of the sockets i've saved around 30% of the electric bill.

 

[old.Tohtori]

George Carlin said it best; The planet is fine, it's the humans that's f*cked.

We can't f*ck up the planet.

 

[Zenith]

We can fuck up the animals and most things living on the planet but the planet, it will outlive us by a few milliontrillion years I say.

 

[Gorbachioo]

What a fucking hero this politician is! Fighting so bravely for our right to waste fossil fuels!


Whether you believe in global warming or not - fighting it has almost nothing but positive consequences in other issues.

 

[Zede]

What a fucking hero this politician is! Fighting so bravely for our right to waste fossil fuels!


Whether you believe in global warming or not - fighting it has almost nothing but positive consequences in other issues.

name one Factual 'other issue' , not based on a computer model, supposition, guess, you know a fact. Ah.. none exist.

 

[Gorbachioo]

name one Factual 'other issue' , not based on a computer model, supposition, guess, you know a fact. Ah.. none exist.

I meant things like fuel saving, alternative energy, less pollution. (yeah thats a problem too)

And since just about every scientist tells me that global warming is real im going to listen to them instead of the odd right wing kook. (like you)

 

[old.Tohtori]

Global warming = real.
Us causing it in any drastic measure != necessarily real.

Hell, mars is warming up too. Maybe our mars-rovers brought the pollutions there

 

[Zede]

I meant things like fuel saving, alternative energy, less pollution. (yeah thats a problem too)

And since just about every scientist tells me that global warming is real im going to listen to them instead of the odd right wing kook. (like you)

thats not like you gorbo, going with the flow, agreeing with the masses ?

tut tut !

ps. this view is neither left or right wing..implying that being against global warming is "right wing" well, you only have to look at the power behind the throne of the world global warming lobby. If the Gore regime had always got its way, you can kiss goodbye Madonna, Prince, Motely Crue, Sheena Easton (easy tiger) and numerous others. This new Gore crusade is not dissimilar to the others...banning rock music ( fail) being president(fail) and hopefully global warming lobby (fail).

 

[Gorbachioo]

thats not like you gorbo, going with the flow, agreeing with the masses ?

tut tut !

Global warming is not a political issue. Its a scientific one. I dont claim to have any qualifications in climatology so all i have is the expert opinion. And yours and... Sammy Wilsons ofcourse.

Anyways, why should one support his cause? What good could it possibly do to us that we keep burning coal and not worry about the future? Dont you think developing alternative energy is a good thing even without global warming?

 

[Zede]

Global warming = real.
Us causing it in any drastic measure != necessarily real.

Hell, mars is warming up too. Maybe our mars-rovers brought the pollutions there

It was crashing that proble into jupiter a few years ago, it set off a cataclysmic cosmic chain of events, including the council only collecting my rubbish once every 2 weeks.

 

[Zede]

Global warming is not a political issue. Its a scientific one. I dont claim to have any qualifications in climatology so all i have is the expert opinion. And yours and... Sammy Wilsons ofcourse.

Anyways, why should one support his cause? What good could it possibly do to us that we keep burning coal and not worry about the future? Dont you think developing alternative energy is a good thing even without global warming?

get it right - pseudo scientific. the simple fact is, the problem has so many variables, its utterly impossible to say for sure what the answer is. The problem we have in the west is we are only presented with one view - when in fact other viable views exist.

Saving 1p putting appliances on standbye is laughably pointless. Two thirds of the world quite honestly could not care less about global warming. Just take China & Brazil for example. How far up the importance scale do you honestly think global warming is ?

I am not worried at all about alternative energy, it exists & could very easily replace all fossil fuels. No body could really be truly arsed about it right now, as its not needed, I dont see the problem.

 

[swords]

I am a scientist and I for one am not sure about CO2 as a marker for human induced climate change.
Other effects such as dimming contribute to the total climate effects Global dimming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia which confuse matters.
I would say that as a species we and all other species do affect our environment, but the diversity of species may well negate gross shifts due to organisms over long periods of time.

As an example, algae blooms are very good seasonal CO2 scrubbers, photosynthesising on a vast scale Algal bloom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. As an environment changes, it provides opportunity for organisms more specialised and adapted to exploit the environment change and as such, allows them to compete better for resources. Perhaps in this way the effect of industrialisation simply provides advantage for a different set of species, which would lead to some species going extinct but others thriving and diversifying over vast time scales.

The argument that species should be conversed for the sake of bio-diversity is a bit of a fallacy if you think in terms of hundreds of years instead of just decades. Perhaps we should view climate change as something which happens regardless of whether we are causing it and learn to use our tech to adapt better to the conditions. Promoting alternative energy is still a good thing because the more diverse a range of sources there are, the more robust the energy supply will be.

I've gone off on a tangent... told you I was a scientist

 

[Gorbachioo]

get it right - pseudo scientific. the simple fact is, the problem has so many variables, its utterly impossible to say for sure what the answer is. The problem we have in the west is we are only presented with one view - when in fact other viable views exist.

Saving 1p putting appliances on standbye is laughably pointless. Two thirds of the world quite honestly could not care less about global warming. Just take China & Brazil for example. How far up the importance scale do you honestly think global warming is ?

I am not worried at all about alternative energy, it exists & could very easily replace all fossil fuels. No body could really be truly arsed about it right now, as its not needed, I dont see the problem.

But if man made global warming is the most likely option then why would scientists give us the other options? Do we really need the controversy if it is the most likely option? Getting people to do anything is hard as it is.

Two thirds of the world might not care about global warming but they
should. I can understand their attitudes though - we're the ones who created this mess and now we ask them to reduce their economic activity so that we could keep driving big cars. Its ridiculous from our part and we dont even realise the irony of it.

As for your complete inability to understand how deeply dependant we are on fossil fuels all i can say is that you need to educate yourself. We're heading for a disaster thanks to "honest" people like you and sammy here. And even if it was easy to replace it, we should do it now. The pollution is a big problem too.

 

[old.Tohtori]

We're heading for a disaster thanks to "honest" people like you and sammy here.

In three months none the less! *points at sig*

Yeah, i'm holding you up to your word

In any case, some scientist said that 75% of pullotion comes from heat. Aka, living. Aka, housing. So, if we want to keep LIVING and breathing, we're going to pollute.

Not to mention we're gonna nuke this place long before we make it inhabitable.

 

[Zede]

But if man made global warming is the most likely option then why would scientists give us the other options? Do we really need the controversy if it is the most likely option? Getting people to do anything is hard as it is.

Two thirds of the world might not care about global warming but they
should. I can understand their attitudes though - we're the ones who created this mess and now we ask them to reduce their economic activity so that we could keep driving big cars. Its ridiculous from our part and we dont even realise the irony of it.

As for your complete inability to understand how deeply dependant we are on fossil fuels all i can say is that you need to educate yourself. We're heading for a disaster thanks to "honest" people like you and sammy here. And even if it was easy to replace it, we should do it now. The pollution is a big problem too.

DOOOOOM DISASTERRRRRR DEEEAATTHHH ( feel free to insert other gorbo cliches)

In the Gorbo world, we use up our f.fuels & the within weeks the world turns to a orwellian dystopia on a good day. In the real world, this wont happen.









Doooooooom

 

[soze]

name one Factual 'other issue' , not based on a computer model, supposition, guess, you know a fact. Ah.. none exist.

How about if cars were not driving on fossil fule Asthma would drop as in places with many cars = more of it.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Ya..... Theres nothing to worry about. Everything is just fine. No bad news concerning the economy lately. Nothing. Its all good.


You know tohtori if you're going to keep that sig i would wish you would allow me to present my case clearly. That quote you have in your sig isnt very clear. Im not backing down from that 6 months and i find it laughable that your suggesting i should. Watch the news. Seriously. Watch them.

(So if i give you a new quote, will you put that in your sig? )

 

[Zede]

Ya..... Theres nothing to worry about. Everything is just fine. No bad news concerning the economy lately. Nothing. Its all good.


You know tohtori if you're going to keep that sig i would wish you would allow me to present my case clearly. That quote you have in your sig isnt very clear. Im not backing down from that 6 months and i find it laughable that your suggesting i should. Watch the news. Seriously. Watch them.

(So if i give you a new quote, will you put that in your sig? )

Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom

I bet you were hiding in the deepest tunnel you could find with crates of baked beans and spam when 1999 11:59 hit.

We just love your paranoia here Gorbo, keep it up !

 

[Ctuchik]

I meant things like fuel saving, alternative energy, less pollution. (yeah thats a problem too)

And since just about every scientist tells me that global warming is real im going to listen to them instead of the odd right wing kook. (like you)

yes, global warming IS real. that isnt the issue, what scientists cant agree on is if its WE thats causing it or if its just something happening every xx thousand years, because it HAS happened before. and i doubt that there were humans around back then to blame.

 

[Ctuchik]

How about if cars were not driving on fossil fule Asthma would drop as in places with many cars = more of it.

and when it dont ppl would just blame something else. like the local hotdog stand.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You know tohtori if you're going to keep that sig i would wish you would allow me to present my case clearly.

It's very clear, and you're not backing down from it.

6 months. End of our way of life. No pussy cop-outs.

 

[Ormorof]

you mean uninhabitable

we kinda have to burn fossil fuels and stuff though, to expand etc, it sounds crazy but errr theres a pretty finite amount of carbon on the planet, humans and life on earth is carbon based so what good will it do us if its all sitting in some cave a few miles under the surface? surely it could be argued, burning all this non-biological carbon (i dont mean burn all the trees ofc ) would release it into the atmosphere and thus into the carbon cycle making it more productive etc thus meaning more people and/or more food?

 

[Zede]

you mean uninhabitable

we kinda have to burn fossil fuels and stuff though, to expand etc, it sounds crazy but errr theres a pretty finite amount of carbon on the planet, humans and life on earth is carbon based so what good will it do us if its all sitting in some cave a few miles under the surface? surely it could be argued, burning all this non-biological carbon (i dont mean burn all the trees ofc ) would release it into the atmosphere and thus into the carbon cycle making it more productive etc thus meaning more people and/or more food?

indeed, why waste it ?

As far as I know, ive seen no news bulletins saying "sorry folks, technology has as advanced as far as it can go, thats it ! "

Im pretty sure that when the oil & other natural resources do run out, say what 50 years ? we will have advanced enough in tech to easily, and i mean easily compensate.

 

[Gorbachioo]

It's very clear, and you're not backing down from it.

6 months. End of our way of life. No pussy cop-outs.

The whole quote is about an entirely different discussion. (the democracy debate) And it doesnt make any sense. Im just asking to make my point more clearly - not change it.

But yes, my first estimate of 6 months was about right. When did i make it? 3 months ago? Meaning we have 3 months before the shit hits the fan. Given the news atm i would say its a pretty realistic estimate.

edit: zede you're so clueless it makes me laugh.

 

[old.Tohtori]

The whole quote is about an entirely different discussion. (the democracy debate) And it doesnt make any sense. Im just asking to make my point more clearly - not change it.

Then stop talking about it :lol:

I'll see you in three months.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Then stop talking about it :lol:

I'll see you in three months.

You're an asshole you know that.


But ok. You use your crappy quote and we'll talk in 3 months.

 

[Lollie]

Then stop talking about it :lol:

I'll see you in three months.

or not as the case maybe

 

[Bugz]

Gorb what makes you think environmental factors will hit the fan in 3 months time?

 

[kiliarien]

Humans. The only creature on the planet as a race that will not live in natural equilibrium with the planet's systems. That is most definitely a fact.

On the topic of this bloke: he basically claims it's god's will that temperatures are like they are if you read inside his notes and other quotes (check 'em, they are out there). I don't need this twat pushing faith as a policy.

He claims the 'theory' of global warming is just that. That some scientists disagree. Yes they do, but a massive minority. I suppose some could say 'yes, a massive minority believed the earth was round and so the few loons of the time were right' which is a self-perpetuating argument that is utter BS because actually the cosmological society then was massively governed and/or influenced by religion and so anyone who mentioned it was a heretic. Not so in these days. Scientists from all walks of life and every type of science seem to agree without the threat of being called a total freak.

This bloke wants to make a point. Fine. One of them is why curb petrol use with taxes when we could build flood defences instead?! So, he wants to go for reactionary measures rather than preventative ones?? That's like saying - right people - we won't try and cure cancer, we'll just treat all the people who get it. Oh dear.

This man is a serious cock.

Let's just come up with an agreement - surely we should come up with new ways to use fuel and reduce, reuse & recycle products just so the bloody stuff doesn't run out. I don't need things getting more expensive because we've been wasteful.