Mythics view on bards...

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StormriderX

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http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=52347938&replies=1

I highlighted some parts.

Since you can see the report right here, I'm just posting the main part of the responses (they are in quotes):

Concerns:

#1 – Endurance Song –

"We have no plans to make bard endurance song a chant. We haven't really seen a need to consider making the song uninterruptable, but are willing to hear and review a case for that change."

#2 - Lack of Practical Defense –

"We feel Bards are doing okay in PvE right now and intend no specific changes. In RvR Bard survivability is an issue, however it is not an easy one to solve. Bards have endurance song and insta-mez to help them in defense. We won't be giving bards any addition crowd control in the form of snares or roots.

We can continue to look into something like an absorb buff or advanced evade, but because of the class' potentional for battle deciding impact in RvR, we need to proceed very slowly with anything that might create an imbalanced situation between realms."


#3 – Empathy As a Rising Stat –

"This has been an existing issue for a while. We can look into adding ways to compensate for this provided we can prove that it's needed for the class as it stands today.

I'll try to see if we can make sure that wording issue is addressed to avoid confusion."

#4 – Resists –

"We're doing a resist review which will touch on this. But we have no plans of adding resist stackability. We're not opposed to the idea of doubling up resists to give playing them more value (2 resists per song) but all this will have to wait until the resist changes are put in."

Spec line Issues:

Nurture –

"Not planning on adding anything to this line at this time. If a case can be made that bards need additional self-buffs, we'll address that individually."

Regrowth –

"No bard specific plans here although we do have some plans to help healers overall."

Music –

"Bards will not be given any additional forms of crowd control."

Weapons -

"We can look at bard damage overall. I'd like to see some fresh "new" data and logs supporting this. Since bards pretty much have the most utlity of any class in DAOC, we have to keep that in mind when balancing the class' offense."

New Issues:

Ameliorating Melodies –

"We'll look at this in the style review. Off hand, increasing it to 2000 range sounds reasonable. Lowering the cost or timer does not."

Other Issues:

- Please allow instruments to be dyed. "Noted for item team."
- Please allow new models for player crafted instruments. "Noted for item/art teams."
- Charisma should be removed from dropped instruments. "Do you mean Empathy? Why do you want to remove Charisma? It still affects power and concentration pools to some extent."
- Avoid Pain/MoC. "please make a case for it."
- Instruments decay at an alarming rate, even at 99/MP quality. "Passing this on to the item team to look into."

Item Problems:

#1 – Instrument Stats –

"I can see how this is problematic. We're going to be looking at SC and imbuing and I will make sure this is brought up. I'll pass on the DF item problem to the item team. I agree they should all have the same stats."

#2 – Instrument Charges –

"Will note for the item team."

#3 - Galladoria Bard Drops -

"Will note for item team."
 
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old.Nol

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That came out about an hour after the TL submitted her report a couple of weeks ago, things like "Why do you want to remove Charisma?" only proves that Mythic are clueless about their game and how it works IRL.
 
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stunned

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End regen should play always even if a bard screams when being spanked, he still sings in a different kind of way. :rolleyes:
 
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onionknight

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Originally posted by stunned
End regen should play always even if a bard screams when being spanked, he still sings in a different kind of way. :rolleyes:
:lol:
 
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Driwen

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Originally posted by old.Nol
That came out about an hour after the TL submitted her report a couple of weeks ago, things like "Why do you want to remove Charisma?" only proves that Mythic are clueless about their game and how it works IRL.

Bard tl said in 1.64 report that charisma is useful for bard. So now bard TL is wrong aswell?
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by driwen
Bard tl said in 1.64 report that charisma is useful for bard. So now bard TL is wrong aswell?
charisma on instrument drops = fluctuating power and conc pool because instruments will change cha power with twists = stupid, so yes, if the TL said that then they are stupid...but I don't think that they did.
 
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Driwen

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Originally posted by old.Nol
charisma on instrument drops = fluctuating power and conc pool because instruments will change cha power with twists = stupid, so yes, if the TL said that then they are stupid...but I don't think that they did.

no didnt realise that and the TL didnt do that in 1.64, but then charisma on instruments isnt actually bad (as it looked to me), but it could be better used on other items. But the TL could have explained it better in the report, but he explained it on the response on the feedback.
Not everyone will think in the same way as you do, certainly if that person doesnt play that class so often. For most non bards if they see remove char. from instruments they would think that charisma isnt useful as a stat. Not that it is useful, but it would be better put on some other item so not to fluctuate the powerpool.
 
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old.Ramas

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On the cc comments - from what was said about sorcerors, I think Mythic have decided that *noone* is getting any more cc than they currently have under any circumstances.

That is the principle reason why alb still lacks ranged aoe insta cc.

Bolt range mez was added solely because the pac healer vs sorc comparison was getting silly when put up against the smite cleric vs cloth nuker comaprison.
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by driwen
no didnt realise that and the TL didnt do that in 1.64, but then charisma on instruments isnt actually bad (as it looked to me), but it could be better used on other items. But the TL could have explained it better in the report, but he explained it on the response on the feedback.
Not everyone will think in the same way as you do, certainly if that person doesnt play that class so often. For most non bards if they see remove char. from instruments they would think that charisma isnt useful as a stat. Not that it is useful, but it would be better put on some other item so not to fluctuate the powerpool.

It's an ongoing issue mate, but 2 of the previous bard TL's Tambori and Stryf explained all these issues in depth to Mythic, 6-8 months ago. Basically the bard TL's don't bother trying anymore because they get ignored. Perfect example is insta Mezz, bards did not want it, Mythic gave it anyway.

They're clueless.
 
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old.m0000

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Originally posted by old.Nol
That came out about an hour after the TL submitted her report a couple of weeks ago, things like "Why do you want to remove Charisma?" only proves that Mythic are clueless about their game and how it works IRL.

erk i thought bards did use charisma... :/
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by old.m0000
erk i thought bards did use charisma... :/
We do, it is our only working stat, but it affects mana and conc pool. So if charisma is on a lute drop, when we change to drum our mana/conc pools fluctuate, which fucks up buffs and spells etc.
 
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-Wedge-

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All Mythic has to do is make Endurance like the Ableviate 'song' from Minstrels...

That way Bards can use Shield + Sword... Go in to battles... And they'll be harder to spot...

Imho, only thing and it would make a bard more fun to play imho...
 
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infernalwrath

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lol
yes plz givf bards ap and moc and then try kill a bard with both of them activated
also givf ae root to bard they cant defend themself inst mezz and end song is not enough
ARE U FOR REAL ????????
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by -Wedge-
All Mythic has to do is make Endurance like the Ableviate 'song' from Minstrels...

That way Bards can use Shield + Sword... Go in to battles... And they'll be harder to spot...

Imho, only thing and it would make a bard more fun to play imho...

That would be superb imo, and maybe fix empathy stat :D
 
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old.Sko

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Originally posted by infernalwrath
lol
yes plz givf bards ap and moc and then try kill a bard with both of them activated
also givf ae root to bard they cant defend themself inst mezz and end song is not enough
ARE U FOR REAL ????????

both healer and sorc have moc.
 
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Driwen

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Originally posted by old.Sko
both healer and sorc have moc.

and both dont have dodger :). The classes are different, best to make a case for moc not by saying their main cc'er has it and our doesnt, but by pointing out WHY you need it.
 
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infernalwrath

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Originally posted by old.Sko
both healer and sorc have moc.
come on be serius how can u kill a bard who mocs heals himself and get healed by other warden/druid/second warden etc ???
this stupid ideas make unbalanced class and the all cry about nerfing
also bards get dodger
dodger+advance evade+dex buffs ... lets make bards savage number 2 :rolleyes:
 
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old.m0000

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Originally posted by old.Nol
We do, it is our only working stat, but it affects mana and conc pool. So if charisma is on a lute drop, when we change to drum our mana/conc pools fluctuate, which fucks up buffs and spells etc.

that is actually amazingly crap tbh :/
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by infernalwrath
come on be serius how can u kill a bard who mocs heals himself and get healed by other warden/druid/second warden etc ???

You mean like a Healer or Cleric with moc?
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by infernalwrath
come on be serius how can u kill a bard who mocs heals himself and get healed by other warden/druid/second warden etc ???
this stupid ideas make unbalanced class and the all cry about nerfing
also bards get dodger
dodger+advance evade+dex buffs ... lets make bards savage number 2 :rolleyes:

advanced evade?

you speaking crap, come add some input when you actually know the class.
 
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K0nah

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bards are fine, they should do something about the end song tho.

niether of the other realms endregen can be interrupted, albs can be stopped by mezz/stun or the shitty range but not interrupted, mids well... kill the damn shammy i guess :rolleyes:
 
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Qte Eth

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for sko : classes who get moc : spread healers and focus mages oO

didnt see healers or sorcs get IP or dodger as noticed:)
 
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infernalwrath

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Originally posted by Pin
You mean like a Healer or Cleric with moc?
why all classes should be the same ?
ns have ap that means all assasin should
hunter has ap scouts dont
 
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old.Niljindil

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Originally posted by Qte Eth
for sko : classes who get moc : spread healers and focus mages oO

didnt see healers or sorcs get IP or dodger as noticed:)

Erm, you DO realize friars and shamen get moc do you? :eek:
 

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