Mythic insane with 1.60D

[old.Filip]

I can easily think of a 8man group of albs that can do just as good as any hib. group.

then enlighten me .....

and to enligthen you ... we have lvl'ed sor'c clr's etc ... but ppl have stopped playing so many of the important class's atm science the uberfikation of hibs ...

i cant count the times where half the group have logged out of daoc when we AGAIN has been killed by GP or hib groups with more healing class's then we have ....

but zargo tell me the uber alb group and i will tell you why we cant make it ..

dont think albs are mentally retarded becuase they pressed the alb icon when they bougth the game ..

 

[Erekrose]

But what about rangers eh? Couldnt we use some stealth abilities? Or my favourite idea which is POISON ARROWS!!!!!!!

 

[Faeldawn]

Sure archers need fixing badly, but so do bolt-mages, surely its the casters that really need fixing before void eld's become extinct in this game!

How many void elds are there currently lvling? I can think of 3 offhand

 

[old.Zarko]

Originally posted by old.Filip


then enlighten me .....

Ohh as i am not playing albion and never tried any rvr as an alb, but we can try two setups:

*)

Minstrel - SoS
2x clerics - bof, moc
1 Friar (49e)
1 Paladin
2 Theurgists (26e/45a)
2x high melee damage daelers - High Determination

- maybe exchange the 1 of those i got two of with a Sorc for CC if you wanna go that way.

Mageless)

cleric (smite/enh) - bof, moc
cleric (rej/enh) - bof, moc
minstrel - sos
friar (48 enh)
pally (42 shield, 48 chants) - grpheal
3x Melee high dam dealers - high determination

- even more potent with a buffbot cleric and the two clerics can go full reju other smite/reju, basicly SoS/BoF and go wild.


Or as they say: 5 infils, 2 scouts and 1mincer and the can all use their own buffbots.

Thats my idea, most likely you can prove me wrong (i hope or else albion are screwed until they give ya laserguns and godmode).

Originally posted by old.Filip


and to enligthen you ... we have lvl'ed sor'c clr's etc ... but ppl have stopped playing so many of the important class's atm science the uberfikation of hibs ...

Aint that what i am saying?

Originally posted by old.Filip



i cant count the times where half the group have logged out of daoc when we AGAIN has been killed by GP or hib groups with more healing class's then we have ....

Try beeing zerged, if it is a randomgroup: 50% of the time the group disbands after such an event. Guildgroups are much more disciplined and are back in business 5mins later fully buffed out of res. sickness. I don't know about alb groups but this has nothing to do with class balancing.

And about no healing classes available, that has nothing to do with the game mechanics or balance, more the fact that albs seem's to only want to play a few certain classes (and that aint midgard or hibernias fault), look at alb@excal top50 weekly RP farmers about 40% of that list are infils/mins/scouts and you yet you got 2 friars and 5 clerics and 2 Cabalists on the list.




Ref. concerning classes in the top50 weekly alb@excal rp farmers on the 13th feb, 2003

9 mintrels, 7 infiltrators, 5 mercs, 5 clerics, 5 paladins, 5 wizzies, 3 scouts, 3 armsmen, 2 sorcs, 2 friars, 2 theurgs, 2 Cabalists.

 

[old.Filip]

those groups would be nice ...

but where is the sorc ? with the resists hib groups comes with these days theug mezz is so bad ...
bad range bad resist and to short..

alsoo 2 clr's in 1 group is insane .... if there is a healer class avaliable it is either 1 friar or 1 clr ... if you get very lucky we get both 1 friar 1 clr .. but thats very rare..

so many clr's stopped playing ..
1 guy in my guild was nr1 RP holder as clr (graveworm).. sold his account for buffbot user..and made a Caba

he got to nerf'ed ...

or another clr' daivana played druid on Camlann... camlann died out but he cant stand to play the clr now.... no pet, no posion, no root, no melee dam add

long story but 2 clr's in 1 groups is not an option (only BF have that i think)

if you have that some other alb groups will be healer less..

But still IF we got that group we should lose to

Bard
Druid
Warden
+5 random dam dealers(would prefere chanters/hero myself)

warden could be changed with Druid/bard/ment

the GP and AE mezz would own us

imho the best groups for alb vs hibs would be pure melee with max determination ...

but still playing without the AE mezz option willl loose you some battles ... and if you run into 2-3 PBAOES the tanks gonna get hurt rather bad........

 

[VodkaFairy]

Re: Re: jesus h christ!

Originally posted by Amadon

likewise, hope it runs out soon

noo

 

[old.chipper]

this game is getin so fuked up its unbelivable all mythic are doing is shifting the balance of power about until 1 realm bitches enough that they get over powered.

theres loving then theres taking the piss not much needs doing to hib as a whole, mentalism line needs looking at dunno bout other classes so much

mid feels spot on always nice fights with them

alb did need some lovin this however takes the piss i mean really takes the piss 2 classes that now will be able to climb walls, also may i add that albs will piss all over relic raids with this

alb will become stupidly uber now just like hib have been in albs eyes and itll stay that way till hibs or mids whine about the over powered albs. mythic dont even try to balance the realms they just tottaly go to town on the realm that whines the most

ive given alot of time to this game over the last year, and i really am starting to feel dissapointed now about the way the game is going, think when SWG arrives ill log off daoc for good its not much fun as it is all these changes are gonna do is make it worse.

im sure the albs are like yeah yeah whos whinin now stupid hibbies well u think we are overpowered tis nothing compared to what you are getting but anyway enjoy it guys the nerfs will follow eventually

 

[old.Nafta]

Sorry if something went over your head or you just simply "missed" the point.

You know why I missed the point? Cause there is none. Anyways, goto hell.

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by old.chipper
this game is getin so fuked up its unbelivable all mythic are doing is shifting the balance of power about until 1 realm bitches enough that they get over powered.

theres loving then theres taking the piss not much needs doing to hib as a whole, mentalism line needs looking at dunno bout other classes so much

mid feels spot on always nice fights with them

alb did need some lovin this however takes the piss i mean really takes the piss 2 classes that now will be able to climb walls, also may i add that albs will piss all over relic raids with this

alb will become stupidly uber now just like hib have been in albs eyes and itll stay that way till hibs or mids whine about the over powered albs. mythic dont even try to balance the realms they just tottaly go to town on the realm that whines the most

ive given alot of time to this game over the last year, and i really am starting to feel dissapointed now about the way the game is going, think when SWG arrives ill log off daoc for good its not much fun as it is all these changes are gonna do is make it worse.

im sure the albs are like yeah yeah whos whinin now stupid hibbies well u think we are overpowered tis nothing compared to what you are getting but anyway enjoy it guys the nerfs will follow eventually

lol coming from the guy who quit the "gimped" realm and rerolled on the "ub3r" realm thats just too funny

 

[exe]

Originally posted by K0nah
Sure LA dont have 2fg _of_ LA so much anymore, but u still see them running with 2fg even if its trialists/fill-ins/leechers whatever.

Um... guess why it happens so? No? Ill explain: u get 1FG together, go to emain, die to 3FG albs, /release, run again, die to 2-3FG mids, /release, come back again, die to 5FG albs and so on and so forth, then u think OMFG WTF lets just get all we have together and fill in the gaps so we can finally fecking kill anything running in 2FGs this time. Yes, its that simple.

edit: its not a whine about zerging in general since everyone is zerging nowadays anyway:/...

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by old.Zarko


Minstrel - SoS
2x clerics - bof, moc
1 Friar (49e)
1 Paladin
2 Theurgists (26e/45a)
2x high melee damage daelers - High Determination

[/I]

hmm, this is an interesting setup, but..

1. No CC (minstrel mez? you gotta be kidding me)
2. No really useful casters (theurgs really aren't that great, would MUCH rather have one of your enchanters or eldies)
3. No friar in his right mind would go 49 enhance
4. You're excluding most albion classes (don't they wanna rvr too?)

all in all, there's no mez power, no caster power, and are leaving out the possibility for the other 5-6 classes in albion.

Originally posted by old.Zarko

cleric (smite/enh) - bof, moc
cleric (rej/enh) - bof, moc
minstrel - sos
friar (48 enh)
pally (42 shield, 48 chants) - grpheal
3x Melee high dam dealers - high determination
[/I]

1. Again, no CC
2. No casters at ALL (and smiting has been nerfed to hell)
3. Again, no variety in classes.



2 things control rvr: mez, and casters. Without mez, you have a charging army on your hands. Without casters? You must rely on your own melee to survive.

Unfortunatly, neither of your setups contains either of these.

Appreciate the idea of trying to balance out groups, but tbh, it's useless. Albion as a realm is probably TOO versatile. Too many classes. Can't fit'em all in a group.

 

[Maliz-]

Uh-oh! MINSTRELS!!!!!

 

[old.Laryssa]

Originally posted by Noche
Up wall, mez, tell grp infil to PA receive rps, end of story.

A viable spec, 30 stealth (major tools adquired) 37 slash, 45 instrument (nothing left out but POT5 and top HOT, both useless). 39 in Slash or thrust if u auto-train music I believe (afaik mincers auto-instrument rn´t em?)

ALWAYS mez from back, it´s not rock-science to climb from back of the keep, I did it all the time, ppl rarely guard there. That just put mincers in a very needed char for keep raid (not to say gods if pair with an infil both skilled)

afaik needs the aoe mez of a minstrel 6s to be done - which he can never accomplish due rangers on walls.

and as a shade u see him from miles away

 

[old.Filip]

alb will become stupidly uber now just like hib have been in albs eyes and itll stay that way till hibs or mids whine about the over powered albs. mythic dont even try to balance the realms they just tottaly go to town on the realm that whines the most

ehhh nopes ... the changes dont help albs in FG vs FG ...

it help em in keep defence... thats about it

UNLESS !! ... that the changes make more clr's play

 

[Kobold]

Those patch changes is totaly :wall: :mgwhore2: :bore:

Ok maybe the minstrel was just used as speed bots in group and didn't have enough features etc, but for jesus christ why the hell they added CLIMB WALLS and SAFE FALL to this class who needed more group abileties!??

This sounds to me that Mythic have discovered some new kind of amazing drugs that instantly slows the brain capabilety of the user, and they use themselfs as test rabbits

:doh:

 

[old.chipper]

konah i had hib acct long before patch came along and played there alot for about 3 weeks before patch

if i went to the uber realm why didnt i make a uber leet char like a chanter or bard

you would have saids the same thing if i had gone midgard

i got bored of albion plain and simple most of the ppl i knew there where inactive quit or on aonther realm

alb is no challenge the uber zerg conquers all

im glad alb is been given some lovin they needed it i just think mythic got there priorities wrong plenty of classes to look at long before a minstrel.

 

[TrufflesUseless]

OMG! I can't believe people keep saying Albion is crap. Look at your classes - they are NOT BAD!

Where you always fell down is where Mid/Hib feel down in the 1.4x patches. AoE Mezz. Before 1.5x patches that brought AoE mezz in Instant format to Hib/Mid Albion ruled with a quick cast version.

The the developers went and did something incredibly stupid and made Instant AoE Mezz (what idiot thought that up?) and compounded be making it the same range as most castable AoE Mezz - 1500. Sure - this is BOUND to leave Albion weaker - but not the classes, purely the crowd control!

So what do they do to fix it? Reduce instant cast AoE Mezz to shorter defensive range - 1000? No - Self/Group Mezz Duration Reduction and make AoE mezz in albion unmatched on range! What moron thought that up again? (Shoot him twice)

You want more fun in RvR - make mezz root - at least people can still do some things - and don't start on the pure tank issues - defensive hybrids have nothing they can do either - but heal/bubble/cast/whatever - and they don't get reduced cost purge/ip/determination. Who ever thought up an ability that completely turns a person useless, and now they can't move whilst it either - so people get twice the advantage of getting good styles off on you easier. (which stealther complained please? like 50%+ on your first hit isn't bad enough on the victim that is then stunned??)

Mezz is undoubtedly a scurge of the game - but Mythic made this and now are trying all they can to reduce the amount people are annoyed with it. Tell you want - take it out completely - let people fight a full fight - 1fg against another 1fg - that might be more fun.

Albion is not broken - Mythics sense of Crowd Control is. Face it - the classes aren't at all bad - granted some did need some attention - like any other classes with all the massive and silly changes in game in the recent reaction-to-maon-patches. And I agree on some of the new things, but now we have returned to the stealther-group-taking-forts again. Only realm with wall climbable mezzer.

Don't anyone complain about crap classes, or I will make you come play a Warden sometime - then you can really laugh yourself to death

 

[old.fat]

Why does hib complain so much. Ive never met a fg of albs that have almost 90% resist to spells with 5 sec pbt as well. yet most of time i take on a hib, I nuke for 25 (-520) and they respond with a single nuke on me for well over 1000. And thats with almost all magic resists maxed out as well.
Also i dont know any class in alb that can solo a fg of any other realm. So far on 5 different ocasions i have been in a fg of lv 50's money hunting and we have all been killed by one hib.
About time albs got some lovin.

Post on rvr forum i think. 2fg hibs easily kills 10 fg albs.
And hibs have the nerve to say Nerf albs.