My thoughts on RvR- i honestly believe this

[old.Bubble]

This is my Perspective of RvR on prydwen as of the last month or 2

NP have a very good RvR team stucture


every time i have fought them they have 1 druid 1 bard 1 warden 2+ enchanters/eldys and a few melee

there battles against most alb groups are like clockwork- Lull-> Mez->2+ pbaoers-> melees mop up

due to them having 50% in every magic resist and 6 sec PBT they are very hard to kill

RvR in alb it alot different
I join a group
theres 5 of us with no mincer speed or no cleric
paladin203 asked if his guildie can join
merc363 asks if his guildie can join
Suddenly we have a group with no speed no healing(friar needs mana for end regen)
We meet 1FG of np and get our ass's handed to us on a plate

Paladin says NP were lucky and we all port back again and get owned again

SOTL have a set group as such with healing, speed, mez DD and melee. This group used to RvR every night together and were a good team equal to anything the mids and hibs had.

LOE once(yes once) had a good team to with the same sort of setup before random guild kicked seemed to happen and the team was split up.....now we mainly zerg

HDS, Guardians, warders and BAF both have good teams too - against them its normaly 50/50 wither we win

IMHO problem with mid and alb rvr-
Healing!

only a few clerics in albion are good healers...the rest are buffbots or smiters dreaming
a good cleric is worth 4 extra players

Healers in midgard have a hellofa time trying to go 3 jobs at once
they are the realms main crowd control and are the realms main healers so they have to mez/stun the enemy and juggle keeping the group alive(very difficult task)

 

[)nick(]

Couldn't agree more.

I play alb on excal and see exactly the same. The nature of the alb classes means you'll need more characters to come up with the bare necessaties a decent group requires. You'll need a paladin, minstrel, sorcerer, theurgist, cleric AND a friar to get the same kind of abilities a hib group gets with just a druid, bard and warden. It really, really.... REALLY is pathetic, and almost unbelievable how mythic can't see the imbalance issues, not to mention their 'fixes' and the speed with which they deal with this problem. Yes, the alb classes might be diverse but I'd take dedicated damage dealers/healers/mezzers any time of day over someone who has to worry about 5 or more combat deciding tasks. Pickup groups in hib fair a lot better because of these imbalances. When SOTL does come out to play the fights we have are adrenaline packed and anything but predictable because they can often field the perfect alb groups.

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by old.Bubble
HDS, Guardians, warders and BAF both have good teams too - against them its normaly 50/50 wither we win

FYI: warders is gone

 

[tryffie]

being in a balanced group also means everyone is entirely focussed on their own role. Eg me in my usual guild balanced group i know exactly when to heal and then when to fight. since i know my casters are being protected, the enemies are being mezzed/debuffed, if im targetted i know im going to get healed etc.

But in unbalanced groups i often find myself dithering over what to do, eg: damn! grouped Tank1 is going down fast, better drop some heals, but oh crap! enemy Caster 3 is nuking freely, better go interupt. gah someones targetted me. dead.
you get the picture

Once you've got your RvR group sorted and set down, RvR becomes alot more enjoyable and easier too.

 

[mid_Efour]

god if only u could read my latest rants in /GC

ill summarise

HIBS >BARD+DRUID=MEZZ+HEALING

ALBS >SORD+CLERIC=MEZZ+HEALING (and mincer )

MIDS>HEALER=MEZZ+HEALING (Skald noway )

Now see what the problem is? NO DEDICATED CLASS.

Therefore we can assume that due to alot of factors mainly it being "fun" and grp freindly people.PVE Multi spec them selves to be able to be jack of all trades aug/pac/mend.

Healing as i am finding out for my self is a completely un thankless bullshitty job. as u may know i played warrior for over 10 months now and i think i understand my role in a group, so i can relate this to when playing my healer. TO be spammed HEAL! 3 times by some idiot in my group when he loses 25% of hp infuriates me. I swear im going to let people take XP deaths if it carrys on like this. hahahah

anyway kids just remmber u have a LvL 40 respec and you gotta think long and hard about what u wanna be....

Master of Mezz
Master of Mend

But u gotta play it well you guys are the real RvR winners not some 9 foot hamster.

 

[pudzy]

qoute:

IMHO problem with mid and alb rvr-
Healing!


dead on m8, but albs clerics do heal even more than healers :/ mainly because their too bust cc'ing.

 

[Meatballs]

I took my 42 cleric out to rvr and got nowt but praise for my healing. No-one actually expects to be healed in rvr and spread heal r teh winz0r!!!

 

[knudden]

dont play with dem hibbies till the nerf clever has spoken

 

[Esoteric]

I agree totally with bubble.

 

[hangianix]

Originally posted by old.Bubble
smiters dreaming

Lies. HARDLY ANY SMITERS IN ALBION NOW.

 

[kr0n]

/me taunts all cave specced shamans

 

[old.mattshanes]

Yes bubble is right,if you make a balanced group you could beat basically anyone(if the players know what they are doing too) i been in a fg beaten np a few times,hds and some other various hibs/mids.It isn't hard to form them too,when you fighting hibs imo you need fast damage dealers which alb is lacking,caster can't quite produce the damage vs hibs.Anyone is beatable and they even know it.

The game has lots of good players,whack the ones of different classes in your group and it should work well

 

[Krillin.]

Originally posted by old.Bubble

LOE once(yes once) had a good team to with the same sort of setup before random guild kicked seemed to happen and the team was split up.....now we mainly zerg

I like you alot bubble and will chat to you on /gu till the cows come home as you know but to be fair half our guildies just don' like RvR which means that we very rarely have balanced groups within the guild on the battlefield.

Sotl and NP are more geared towards RvR where as we have elements of both PvE and RvR (thats not to say i don't believe these guilds haven't either i just think that we as such have an advantage in PvE due to numbers). I for one don't mind too much because I am happy just pottering around just having fun. I don't think our goal as a guild is to be an uber RvR guild but more so a mixture of all elements to be fair.

Also the distinct lack of minstrels and playing clerics within our guild means that as such it is alot harder to balance in terms of groups.

 

[old.windforce]

Originally posted by -nicolas-
Couldn't agree more.

I play alb on excal and see exactly the same. The nature of the alb classes means you'll need more characters to come up with the bare necessaties a decent group requires. You'll need a paladin, minstrel, sorcerer, theurgist, cleric AND a friar to get the same kind of abilities a hib group gets with just a druid, bard and warden. It really, really.... REALLY is pathetic, and almost unbelievable how mythic can't see the imbalance issues, not to mention their 'fixes' and the speed with which they deal with this problem. Yes, the alb classes might be diverse but I'd take dedicated damage dealers/healers/mezzers any time of day over someone who has to worry about 5 or more combat deciding tasks. Pickup groups in hib fair a lot better because of these imbalances. When SOTL does come out to play the fights we have are adrenaline packed and anything but predictable because they can often field the perfect alb groups.

wisest post on this board for ages

/em stops asslicking

hibs are overpowered

nah albs lack common sense most of the time in forming groups. Better wait 2 ports then handed your ass on a plate because you lack speed / mezz / heal

would like to add a infiltrator to ideal alb rvr group to scout. Minstrel aoe mezz needs a 3 or 4 second cast time to be usefull

 

[old.windforce]

Re: Re: My thoughts on RvR- i honestly believe this

Originally posted by hangianix



Lies. HARDLY ANY SMITERS IN ALBION NOW.

at least 2!

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by mid_Efour

anyway kids just remmber u have a LvL 40 respec and you gotta think long and hard about what u wanna be....

Master of Mezz
Master of Mend

OR you can try something challenging and spec like me..

Master of everything!

 

[eynar]

Completely agree with Bubble's post and Nicolas' reply. In the beginning there were some minor imbalance issues, yet none of these had a substantial impact on RvR. Instead of fixing them straightaway, Mythic simply waited way too long, while tweaking lots of classes meanwhile. This offcourse increased the imbalance issue a lot. Then came RA's....and I think we all agree that they didn't solve the imbalancing issue at all, in the contrary, they only made it bigger. Mythic still doesn't seem to have a clue about how it can be solved, once again proven with the latest patches...

 

[vermillon]

You can't have a balanced group in Albion in the manner Hibs do it, just because of the reasons Nicolas said. You need 5 Albion classes have the abilities that just 2 Hibernian classes have (Bard and Druid). Wich mean that the Albion group will always mising something. You have 6 more spots to fill up with anything you like (enchanters, wardens, heros, cahmps etc.).
After some discussions i had with friends that are playing the game we concluded that this might happen because at the most servers Albion and MIdgard are slight more populated than Hibernia. So in order to keep some kind of balance between the realms Mythic choice was to enpower some specific Hibernian classes. They have just to give them some good RAs and everyone start to roll Druids(Group Purge), Bards(Insta Mezz) and enchanters(Overpowered already but lets give them group restist RA). Well this might work to other server what have the necessary popoulation but here in Prydwen gives Hibernia a large advantage. As i see things from Albion side , we are unable to have in groups even the most vital classes like clerics and ministrels.
One think more i have to say is that when i bought the game i didn't see anywere a remark like this : "You can Join the Overcrowed Realms of Albion/ MIdgard, or The Overpowered Land of Hibernia".
Was it my fault i joined a low populated server when ididn't had a clue about this game? Sould i ask for my money back?

At every pach we see some bugs and balances fixed, anything that annoying the hibs gets fixed/boosted asap, on the other hand fixes like buged pets and vital boosts (Sorc for example) are implemented at later paches (1.59/1.60). By that time every Hib will be RR8+ in this server, fixes will do no good at that point.
Anyway there are loads of other things that could be mentioned.

I'm not going to stop playing the game, i'm not going to change server either, is just a few things that must be sayed.

/salutes everyone

 

[Danya]

Bubble is right, lack of healers in Albion in what really makes it suck at RvR. I tend to play hib/excal for RvR these days and the sheer number of healers available there compaired to Albion is incredible (then again more than none isn't hard).

 

[Surgeon-Elite]

Did u xp Bubble to 50 or did u buy her like u did with Thorey?

 

[moo_work]

Originally posted by vermillon
You can't have a balanced group in Albion in the manner Hibs do it, just because of the reasons Nicolas said. You need 5 Albion classes have the abilities that just 2 Hibernian classes have (Bard and Druid). Wich mean that the Albion group will always mising something. You have 6 more spots to fill up with anything you like (enchanters, wardens, heros, cahmps etc.).
After some discussions i had with friends that are playing the game we concluded that this might happen because at the most servers Albion and MIdgard are slight more populated than Hibernia. So in order to keep some kind of balance between the realms Mythic choice was to enpower some specific Hibernian classes. They have just to give them some good RAs and everyone start to roll Druids(Group Purge), Bards(Insta Mezz) and enchanters(Overpowered already but lets give them group restist RA). Well this might work to other server what have the necessary popoulation but here in Prydwen gives Hibernia a large advantage. As i see things from Albion side , we are unable to have in groups even the most vital classes like clerics and ministrels.
One think more i have to say is that when i bought the game i didn't see anywere a remark like this : "You can Join the Overcrowed Realms of Albion/ MIdgard, or The Overpowered Land of Hibernia".
Was it my fault i joined a low populated server when ididn't had a clue about this game? Sould i ask for my money back?

At every pach we see some bugs and balances fixed, anything that annoying the hibs gets fixed/boosted asap, on the other hand fixes like buged pets and vital boosts (Sorc for example) are implemented at later paches (1.59/1.60). By that time every Hib will be RR8+ in this server, fixes will do no good at that point.
Anyway there are loads of other things that could be mentioned.

I'm not going to stop playing the game, i'm not going to change server either, is just a few things that must be sayed.

/salutes everyone

3 hib classes (bard, druid, warden) - although i agree that alb = the gimp classes - no wonder alb people "dont like rvr" because they are disadvantaged as soon as they walk out their tk / pk

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Surgeon-Elite
Did u xp Bubble to 50 or did u buy her like u did with Thorey?

Not quite sure how that's relevant, but bubble xped his sorc to 50.

 

[hangianix]

Re: Re: Re: My thoughts on RvR- i honestly believe this

Originally posted by old.windforce


at least 2!

Well, honestly more, but I meant who are RvRing

 

[old.Bubble]

Originally posted by Surgeon-Elite
Did u xp Bubble to 50 or did u buy her like u did with Thorey?

I exped Bubble to 50
Was that some petty try of offending or calling me a n00b?

 

[Krillin.]

End of the day the moans about clerics is simple - albion had a huge cleric base pre smite nerf - all clerics warned and stated that the constant bitching as such about them as a class would mean that they would stop playing. Most of Albion carried on ranting about smite clerics and now we have this situation which to be fair most Albion players brought on their selves. Clerics now have the fun option of watching red lines and buffing. Now for me watching red lines in rvr for 2 - 3 hours a night can end up getting boring. This is where the problem is in that cleric can only effectively spec rejuvenation and enhance because smite is completely screwed up. Even mythics attempts to revert smite back have not been implemented yet. Also take into account that clerics have had no nice drops implemented from the period of time between DM arriving and SI. Bugger all potentially nice cleric drops were available in DF and although we have some generic chain dropped from barfog and a cloak with + rejuvenation (that in all my tests seems to make very little difference) we have had no nice loot. So then the boredom of trips sets in - why should i keep halling my ass down to watch you get loot and having fun while i just end up getting nowt. Thus the alt is born and the cleric becomes a buffbot or a sold account and then a buffbot or in rare cases one of the few active rejuv clerics out there.

So we have a neglected and nerfed class that watches red lines. Least the mid and hib equivalents have some variation in what they can do. I do love my cleric though and do take him out a bit but to be honest its just not the same fun as we used to as we watch other classes benefit as patches go on. Suppose if i made a cleric now it wouldn't be too bad but i miss the variation of being able to spec my cleric how i like and i simply don't have it now

Also my sorc is good fun as well but there are issues there but thats a different story.....

 

[Goryk]

Another point is middies have gimped resist due to both their healer and shaman having 1.0 points per level. At least albs have friars, and hibs have wardens with viable enhance lines and the points to spec high in them. With bards, they have 1.5 points which beats the healer and sorc, and so it's easier for them to spec to the highest level insta ae mezz, whereas a sorc or healer must gimp his other lines completely to get the best out of the primary mezz line for that. A bard can spec for both the highest speed buff, ands the best mezzes with their spec points. A standard mid group would probably want a full aug healer for resist buffs, a full mend healer for decent heals, and a full pac healer for the CC, and how likely is that. In reality, they usually get 1 of those with 2 gimped lines. For these reasons I'm pretty happy that smite is so gimped, as it forces clerics into two much needed spec lines. I personally think healers should get 1.5 spec points if I was to be honest. Primary healer, and primary CC on a class with 1.0xper level is just wrong, especially considering how hard it is to get one in a group, never mind 2 healers, who have specced differently. The fact they have important resist buffs in the third line is ludicrous in my opinion...

 

[Krillin.]

Originally posted by Goryk
For these reasons I'm pretty happy that smite is so gimped, as it forces clerics into two much needed spec lines.

Agreed with bits you said but this is my issue - why should any cleric be forced to spec rejuv and enhance - just seems wrong to me. Also give us a bloody decent form of a defence. Dunno how many times i have logged off at the end of the night and thought why the f**k is it that a stupid grey con pet can interrupt every bloody attempt at a heal i make ?

Why is it this grey con pet which for any other class would take seconds to kill takes me bloody ages with my amazing damage skills with my hammer/mace

Why is it that why i deal with this stupid grey con my grp is dieing and my amazing form of CC in a 11 second mezz always seems to be resisted or not ready because of my amazing 5 minute timer...

If they gave me defence i would be happy and would play my cleric all day long but i simply have no defence and that for me is an issue. I'm all for changing drive evil to base smite and adding a snare to it like the cleric TL. Would make things alot more fun.

 

[vayasen]

I healed my team for over 12k damage today.

Corr ;p

Whats this thread for? Everyone knew 6 months ago that 3 hib classes can cover the skills that Albs need 5-6 people for.

Its why folks migrate steadilly to Hibernia im afriad.

 

[mid_Efour]

Originally posted by Krillin.

why the f**k is it that a stupid grey con pet can interrupt every bloody attempt at a heal i make ?

Why is it this grey con pet which for any other class would take seconds to kill takes me bloody ages with my amazing damage skills with my hammer/mace

im sorry but if one of your group cant help u then its noy my probelm, this is what pets are for...


its not me me me me me its team team team.

 

[Lochlyessa]

Originally posted by mid_Efour



im sorry but if one of your group cant help u then its noy my probelm, this is what pets are for...


its not me me me me me its team team team.

Yes! Don't hit the druid/bard/chanters, everyone stop and attack this grey pet that takes 3 secs to resummon!