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tildson
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Use rightnow if u have a problem, no point bringing it up here u slan.
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old.Atrox
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do you even know what "slan" means ?
love it how wannabes starts to talk like their "idols".....
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Fafnir
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What Atrox said.
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Freia
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Oh please.
"In the current version pets can attack from range through solid objects." <-- notice the dot?
The sentance ends there and is worth exactly null because everyone knew that already.
They then proceed to say something even more useless, because it does not touch the issue of ranged pets. AT ALL:
"Players using pets normally, in a keep defence for example, and sending the pets through the doors are just playing their class normally, nothing wrong with that."
They say: You may send your pets through doors.
They do not say: It is ok to target someone inside the keep and make your pet start nuking it.
There is a big difference. Now they dont say that it is not ok either because they dont wanna ban a lot of people, but they do say that you suck and everybody hates you if you do it. In a way.
And we are discussing this because you are wrong and im trying to make you see that.
And quit your stupid comments about "lame underachievers" while you are at it. I believe np were pretty cool once upon a time. But they have just invited too many silly people who just cannot be in such a guild without getting a really sickening bad attitude. They are rotting from the inside. They should do what we did and clean it out and start over.
Edit: Please note that we did not start over for those reasons though.
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There are tremendous amounts of bugs in this game. Everyone has used/abused them. For example like kr0n earlier pointed out the FA/MCL bug which everyone who had has been abusing that bug until it was fixed.
What I find rather sad is the people that suddenly take the moral highground and who then decide to judge somebody in a fit of rage on some forum.
Path: Have you never abused the barrows bug?
Azal: Have you, or I for that matter, never abused the one-shot-and-stay-stealthed bug?
Cornel/Freia: Have you never used MCL whilst someone/something was hitting you?
The list is endless. I definitely don't say I condone this kind of bug abusing. Do the right thing and deal through goa and not some public forum. Just think before you decide to name and 'shame' people.
What I find rather sad is the people that suddenly take the moral highground and who then decide to judge somebody in a fit of rage on some forum.
Path: Have you never abused the barrows bug?
Azal: Have you, or I for that matter, never abused the one-shot-and-stay-stealthed bug?
Cornel/Freia: Have you never used MCL whilst someone/something was hitting you?
The list is endless. I definitely don't say I condone this kind of bug abusing. Do the right thing and deal through goa and not some public forum. Just think before you decide to name and 'shame' people.
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kr0n
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Originally posted by Freia
Oh please.
"In the current version pets can attack from range through solid objects." <-- notice the dot?
The sentance ends there and is worth exactly null because everyone knew that already.
They then proceed to say something even more useless, because it does not touch the issue of ranged pets. AT ALL:
"Players using pets normally, in a keep defence for example, and sending the pets through the doors are just playing their class normally, nothing wrong with that."
They say: You may send your pets through doors.
They do not say: It is ok to target someone inside the keep and make your pet start nuking it.
There is a big difference. Now they dont say that it is not ok either because they dont wanna ban a lot of people, but they do say that you suck and everybody hates you if you do it. In a way.
And we are discussing this because you are wrong and im trying to make you see that.
And quit your stupid comments about "lame underachievers" while you are at it. I believe np were pretty cool once upon a time. But they have just invited too many silly people who just cannot be in such a guild without getting a really sickening bad attitude. They are rotting from the inside. They should do what we did and clean it out and start over.
Edit: Please note that we did not start over for those reasons though.
"In the current version pets can attack from range through solid obects." <-- Which makes it normal. Could've said anything, like, In the current version players can run. See my point?
"Players using the pet normally AND sending pets through the doors are playing the class normally."
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old.Atrox
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GOA would be great if they could/would do something about it...
but they dont....
but they dont....
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So because you're not happy you take the law into your own hands? Just because you are the one affected by this doesn't mean it's as clear cut as you make it out to be. Should we start making a post for everyone who was ever abused a bug in the game? A lot of people are letting their personal issues with NP play a big role in their judgemental preaching. Send it to goa and let them deal with it. Nobody on these forums has a totally unbiased view on these things that's why it's up to GOA to decide whether someone should be punished.
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Freia
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You know nick. Nobody's perfect but you cannot compare mcl to the amnesia bug.
MCL is usable every 5 minutes and dont have such a big impact. Spamming amnesia is the same as completely disabling someone. If its a caster or healer he might aswell be messed or even dead as being amnesia spammed.
It's some serious, extremely annoying shit and the muppets abusing it _certainly_ deserve to be named.
Now give me a reason to be one of the few members of Nolby Pride who i respect and dicipline your silly members instead of trying in vain to defend them.
MCL is usable every 5 minutes and dont have such a big impact. Spamming amnesia is the same as completely disabling someone. If its a caster or healer he might aswell be messed or even dead as being amnesia spammed.
It's some serious, extremely annoying shit and the muppets abusing it _certainly_ deserve to be named.
Now give me a reason to be one of the few members of Nolby Pride who i respect and dicipline your silly members instead of trying in vain to defend them.
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j000 d000d
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all NPs are Xanabees :<
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j000 d000d
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and tbh.... "abusing" bugs is really abusing something... it's too silly if you should be punished for holding a button
just like pressing your spell button as a necro or attack button as an enchanter
or just pressing your MCL or FA button
like.... "you can use it now, but you will be banned for three days, sorry, you'll have to wait 4 seconds"
in a game, that is complete bullshit
just like pressing your spell button as a necro or attack button as an enchanter
or just pressing your MCL or FA button
like.... "you can use it now, but you will be banned for three days, sorry, you'll have to wait 4 seconds"
in a game, that is complete bullshit
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Why shouldn't I compare it? You're trying to give your argument more weight by telling me how it affects you. So you see it all comes down to either taking a biased or unbiased point of view. I could give you examples of how other bugs could affect me, but I'm sure if you'd put yourself in my position and think things through a little bit more you'd come to the same conclusion as I have: this should be dealt with by GOA and not us.
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Freia
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Ah! So thats your interpretation! Well it certainly requires some great deal creativity to come up with.
Note that it is only in your imagination that goa states it's normal to attack from range through solid objects. If they had wanted to make a clear statement they would have said it in plain text, not through some 'hidden hints' which only someone who wants to believe it can find.
And that little "AND" there means that it's normal to send pets through walls imo. If they had wanted to say that it is legal to EITHER play "normally"(by your definition, which is also wrong) OR to send pets through doors, then that AND would have been an OR.
Your theory does not hold. fyi
pwned. fyi
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Freia
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Sorry but I told everyone how it affects ANYBODY, not just me.
Oh i have great empathy. I can see how one extra mcl could have let me do one more heal and save someones life for example but note that every realm had this ability when the bug was still there. And note that this could only be done every 5 minutes. Only bards have the instant amnesia bug which gives hibernia an unfair advantage. And they can use it anytime they want which, however you look at it, makes it WAY more serious and unbalancing and above all ANNOYING than the mcl bug ever was. I'm sure you could see this if you wern't biased
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tildson
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MCL "abuse" and Amneisa abuse is compared by the principle.
If GOA choses to ban ppl for abusing the Amnesia bug, so should they for MCL-abusers. <- This is because the lack of statement regarding Amnesia.
Or make it simple, put up a statement in tomorrow's Friday New and explain what actions you will take towards them who continue with using the bug - just like the Necro-thingie
If GOA choses to ban ppl for abusing the Amnesia bug, so should they for MCL-abusers. <- This is because the lack of statement regarding Amnesia.
Or make it simple, put up a statement in tomorrow's Friday New and explain what actions you will take towards them who continue with using the bug - just like the Necro-thingie
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kr0n
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Hidden hints?
"In the current version pets can attack from range through solid obects."
Whats hidden in that? They don't say that its illegal or against anything. They however say that using pet to attack through doors, is acceptable. Go on, ask GOA about this. Ask GOA about LoS. Ask about Lull. They'll say the same thing,
"Its a feature" or "We are aware of this, it will be fixed in future patches" or "Nothing we can do".
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Fafnir
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Doh, sometimes it helps to reread posts
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Originally posted by Freia
Sorry but I told everyone how it affects ANYBODY, not just me.
Oh i have great empathy. I can see how one extra mcl could have let me do one more heal and save someones life for example but note that every realm had this ability when the bug was still there. And note that this could only be done every 5 minutes. Only bards have the instant amnesia bug which gives hibernia an unfair advantage. And they can use it anytime they want which, however you look at it, makes it WAY more serious and unbalancing and above all ANNOYING than the mcl bug ever was. I'm sure you could see this if you wern't biased
It affects everyone BUT hibernia is what you should've said.
I never said I wasn't biased, but you shouldn't claim to be otherwise either. I am trying to get you to understand that these kind of dicussions lead nowhere.
You are not open to rational reasoning and arguments because you are:
a) blinded by your 'hatred' towards NP.
b) trying so hard to belittle me and NP in your replies that your derogatory comments (nobody could mistake them for constructive arguments) don't hold any value at all.
c) as much as you hate to admit it; biased.
Now please come up with a more sensibile answer instead of dragging all kinds of unrelated issues into this already gloated thread.
My conclusion for you again: If you feel someone is abusing a bug or cheating in anyway send it to Rightnow and let GOA deal with it.
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Freia
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According to you, they say it is concidered 'normal playing' somewhere in that sentance. Where? That you will have to tell me. (i cant find it hence it must be hidden)
And we have agreed on why. And it's not because it is actually ok.
Nope! They say it is ok so send pets through doors. Not to have them nuke through doors and certainly not nuke through walls. Tbh i'm thinking melee pets when i read that.
Explaining all this over and over is getting very boring...... fyi
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Azal
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Mythic were fully aware of the 1-shot thing and it was purposely left in the game as something assassins were able to do because it wasn't a bug. It was SUPPOSED to be that way.
Until Mythic decided that assassins no longer needed that boost and in typical oafish fasion decided they would call it a bug and remove it as an assassin nerf.
It only became a bug after Mythic decided they no longer wanted assassins to be able to do it and renamed it a bug, by which time it was no longer in the game therefore has never been abused.
Nice example of NP trying to say "look we're lame fucks but we can try and accuse everyone else of doing it too in an effort to make you forget how lame we are" (name-ban thread spring to mind?)
Try harder tho, you still look lame and tbh quite pathetic for trying to drag everyone else down with you.
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old.Atrox
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CoC
iirc it says that useing a bug for personal gain are not allowed, so they should make a list over the allowed bugs rather then forbidden bugs.
and Nick, I never said that I agreed with posting on BW, no one are "takeing the Law in their own hands", I just told you the reason why they post here.
freedom of speach.
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Freia
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Oh i'm just trying to point out to you where you are wrong and where your arguments does not hold. That's all.
None of this is true, i dont hate np. I just dislike alot of your players, for good reasons. I'm not the hating kindof person, really.
You and me both know it's pointless. Tbh my only point here is that you should not try to defend mskin who certainly deserves a good flaming for lame behaviour.
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You yourself brought your name into this thread when you made a comment stating your opinion. If you read my post you would see I was replying to everyone and, as much as you'd like to think so, not just you.
You are an assassin, just like I was. There were a LOT of people who said it was a bug when they got one-shot by assassins, whereas the assassin community said it was a feature. Mythic has the final say in these things and they decided it was a bug and got rid of it. Like you say mythic stated the one-shot 'feature' was a bug after they fixed it, just like they have done in 1.61 with the amnesia bug. So to you, an assassin, the one-shot bug might have been a feature, just like to mskin spamming of amnesia is a feature of his character. Besides mythic have also been aware of the amnesia spam bug before 1.61, so that isn't really an argument.
People will cry nerf and start to flame as soon as it affects them, ever heard of the NIMBY syndrome? That is WHY GOA has the final say in these matters and not you.
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It's not tbh, ever since we reported a certain necro who kept hiding his pet inside the wall of AMG, with screenshots of PBAE clipping it whilst it was inside the wall, logs etc. they certainly haven't been seen again. If someone's doing something that is actually classed as illegal under GOAs rules (Which are the rules we have all accepted to play by, thus anyone elses opinion on what the rules are, are actually completely void) they will be punished for it.
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It's just a shame you're being terribly narrowminded about this and only thinking about how these things affect you, your character, your guild, your realm.
Your mannerism on BW/IRC prove otherwise. I guess contradicting yourself at every corner is a lot easier than either making sense or partly argreeing with someone.
Exactly it is pointless because we are both biased. Thats is why I feel these flames are totally unnecessary. But alas this is the nature of BW, modding work is done on the content one links to instead of the content in a post.
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Mythic explained the 1-shot thing wasn't a bug though. The fact that amnesia wasn't sticking to the 5 second recast timer is different. Mythic never said it was a feature or infact never said anything about the amnesia recast timer until they fixed it. 1-shots had been covered more than once previously by Mythic.
And it still doesn't change the fact that NP first deny doing lame things. Then, when they are proven to do it they just try and tar everyone else with the same brush.
Like I said before:
Try harder. You still look lame and tbh quite pathetic for trying to drag everyone else down with you.
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Freia
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Nope! im thinking about Midgard and Albion. Im soo narrowminded.
What are you on about? Try again. errrrr. scratch that! do not try again fgs! This bullshit is just annoying.
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One thing I find odd about any thread that complains about someone abusing bugs is why people always change subject..
This is about people spamming amnesia, so please please please please please everyone shut the fuck up about pets abusing line of sight! It's not like 'oh you use that bug so we can use this bug'. I'm sorry but it just don't work like that.
bleh to you all
This is about people spamming amnesia, so please please please please please everyone shut the fuck up about pets abusing line of sight! It's not like 'oh you use that bug so we can use this bug'. I'm sorry but it just don't work like that.
bleh to you all
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Couple more comments:
You specifically aimed a question at me, so I don't need to think you were replying to me I know you aimed some of it directly at me.
People can cry nerf and flame all they want. Exploiters = lame. Why do you think everyone hates necro's so much.
It doesn't matter that GOA have the final say in banning people when they have next to no influence on what the community regards as lame behaviour. And that depends entirely on the actions of people indulging in such mentioned lame behaviour. And the topic of the month seems to be Necro exploiting and lame Bards.
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That's NP trying to drag everyone else down to their level because they got caught out being lame twats and can't handle it so they feel the need to try and make everyone else look as bad and justify it in any way they can think of - not that it works.