More people should be saying this

[Bahumat]

I heard they were genetically modifying lemons with kryptonite to produce some form of super fuel!

 

[TdC]

but surely the energy brokers must do this? or are they sticking their heads in the sand and hoping for the lesser of two evils?

 

[Fweddy]

I think the problem, Teedles, is that we can't rely on wind energy. If the turbines put all the coal power stations out of business with their subsidies and then the wind dies where do we get our power until it comes back?

 

[pez]

I think if the wind died we'd be pretty much fucked anyway.

 

[Wij]

WRONG kind of WIND blamed for renewable red-ink FAIL ? The Register

Let the Scouse-baiting recommence

 

[Wij]

Point/Counterpoint - Sustainable Energy Solutions Are The Key To Our Country's Economic Future

 

[Scouse]

Just to demonstrate that in light of new evidence I'm open to change my mind (unlike you lot of luddites):

Wind/Tidal may not be as renewable as we thought

Solar all the way then eh?

 

[Wij]

Incorrect usage of a Luddite reference. I did a better one in another thread

In fact, one of the big arguments that people advance for wind power is that it would 'create jobs' (IE cost a lot )

 

[Wij]

Wind power is shit says charity !

http://www.jmt.org/assets/pdf/wind-report.pdf

 

[Scouse]

Fixed it for you Wij:

Wind power is shit says unscientific wank by charity that campaigns against wind farms 'cause they spoil view

To quote:

Our Vision is that:

Poorly sited and inappropriate man-made structures will be removed to improve the quality of the wild landscape

Failwij

 

[Wij]

Never claimed they were unbiased but they make a good case. Tell us what they got wrong then ?

 

[Scouse]

Discuss proven biased article? No thanks

 

[Wij]

Discuss proven biased article? No thanks

Proven ?

 

[Scouse]

Proven ?

OK...

Discuss merits of non-scientific anti wind farm article published by a group that self-professes the elimanation of wind farms?

Sorta like, discuss merits of babeh Jebus, in teh contex of teh Bible.

No thanks

 

[Wij]

*make chicken noises*

 

[Scouse]

*cums*

 

[rynnor]

Discuss proven biased article? No thanks

Everything you have ever read or posted for use in your arguements contains a bias so why stop now?

Assuming their bias they probably do still have a point since salesmen always oversell things.

Wind power was a great area for overselling because no-ones going to realise till years after the thing has been built at which point the salesman's long gone and they can always make up some excuse.

 

[Wij]

Everything you have ever read or posted for use in your arguements contains a bias so why stop now?

Assuming their bias they probably do still have a point since salesmen always oversell things.

Wind power was a great area for overselling because no-ones going to realise till years after the thing has been built at which point the salesman's long gone and they can always make up some excuse.

I've sold wind power to Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook...

 

[Wij]

Church cries over loss of lovely subsidies that combine nicely with tax-free status to prop-up a failing institution:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16304817

Let the internal schisms commence in scouse's psyche...

 

[rynnor]

The thing that people tend to forget about wind is that its in the wrong places - its fine to have a windy mountain for your wind farm but its generally hundreds of miles from where you need the power - even if we ignore transmission power losses the other big problem is that you need hundreds of miles of big unsightly pylons to carry the power your producing.

Theres a big battle in central wales at the moment as the energy folks want to connect their wind farms to england via an enormous stretch of double height pylons that will completely disfigure a really beautiful stretch of countryside...

 

[Wij]

The BBC article was about solar but good point nevertheless

 

[Zenith.UK]

Yep, the TAN8 proposals in mid-Wales are being strongly fought by the communities in question. They've lobbied the Welsh Assembly (who can't do anything) and Westminster (who aren't listening). EVERYWHERE you drive in the area are signs saying "No pylons here!" or other similar sayings. Everyone knows about it.

In other news, Horizon Renewables have started a number of public consultations to do with their ideas for Wylfa B nuclear power station on Anglesey. The proposals are for nearly 3GW of generating capacity, triple the current 980MW peak. For comparison, the proposed Gwynt Y Mor offshore wind farm will have 576MW... and the wind farm efficiency is generally given as about 30% maximum. There's simply no comparison. Wylfa B will output over 10x more power than Gwynt Y Mor. THAT'S why nuclear is necessary in the energy portfolio.

 

[Wij]

Nuclear is indeed the skillz:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/07/bill_gates_terrapower_china/

 

[Raven]

Nuclear or some unknown future tech is the future unless you want to utterly destroy the little countryside we have left.

 

[Tom]

Believe it or not we have loads of countryside left. Absolutely bloody loads of it.

 

[Exioce]

Scotland is still mostly empty. I quite like the view of wind turbines. They may currently be an expensive source of electricity, but with scale and rising oil prices, that will change in the next decade or so.

 

[Wij]

No it won't since if they start putting too much new wind on the grid then they will also have to fork out for storage and backup gas generators to cover the three day periods of no wind we get most years. Fucking ludicrous waste of money

Anyway serves me right for making a point about solar by resurrecting a thread about wind but anyone got anything to say about the church and solar ?

 

[Access Denied]

I like the 'turn the Sahara in to a giant solar panel to power europe' idea

I think it was being looked at quite seriously too.

Have you read Sahara by Clive Cussler? I'm not certain the technology exists but there's a solar plant in that book that atomizes all kinds of waste. Can't remember the exact process as it's been a few years since I read the book. Build a few of those and we could essentially power a shit load of the world and destroy chemical and nuclear waste at the same time.

 

[rynnor]

Anyway serves me right for making a point about solar by resurrecting a thread about wind but anyone got anything to say about the church and solar ?

It does seem a rather morally questionable investment by the church since the subsidy comes from putting up the prices for domestic customers and will disproportionately hit the poor at a time of record fuel poverty in this country?

Will that do Wij?

 

[Wij]

Yes it will