Minstrel, why?

[Sobek]

If you dont like the subject STFU and dont read it, ok?

Could do, but you need a new attitude.. atleast im not being a bitch telling people to stfu?

 

[Sycho]

Let me break it down for people xD :

Group wise:

Savage is best light tank.
Enchanter is best caster.
Healer is best healing class.
Shaman is best support class.
Warrior is best pure tank.

Solo wise:

Bonedancer is best solo caster.
Minstrel is probably best solo stealther IF you use buffed pets(but still nightshade with ap 3 can be good at high rr) :E
Merc best solo light tank.
Friar best solo healing class.
Paladin best solo pure tank.

It completely is different when you compare how effective a class is in group situations to solo situations, then again this is mainly a team game afterall so they probably couldn't care less how strong a class is on solo situations but still they need to rework on anything else rather than minstrel's ability to solo...so many things like the game engine itself for example(finally that's fixed in frontiers it seems) , master lvs given out in a more appropiate way, i still see 30% or so classes in daoc so rarely used but this could be fixed in frontiers only time will tell.

Oh and doesn't minstrel become worse at soloing in frontiers?

 

[Sobek]

About minstrel soloing, they dont win by playing easily, they win by the effort they put into it, dont think most people realise how much a minstrel has to do ?

 

[Derric]

I look cool when standing idle with a drum \o/

 

[Kraben]

I would say heroes are better than warriors.. moose mode?

 

[Totyn]

I do think that no class should have stealth and chain tho, just because the whole idea of it is ridiculous, I mean who the hell tries to sneak around wearing a ton of armor on him.

The game isnt supposed to be realistic.

 

[Sycho]

I would say heroes are better than warriors.. moose mode?

Higher weaponskill+slash resistant armour>>better than 30min moose mode and slash vunerable armour too :E

 

[carp]

I do think that no class should have stealth and chain tho, just because the whole idea of it is ridiculous, I mean who the hell tries to sneak around wearing a ton of armor on him.

IMO remove stealth from Minstrel and give them parry, then they will be a better version of the skald.

Remove classes that halve your block/evade rate and evade 50% of your attacks.

QQ

 

[nuky]

About minstrel soloing, they dont win by playing easily, they win by the effort they put into it, dont think most people realise how much a minstrel has to do ?

was killed by a mincer a total of 13 times last night / this morning, if u think what they / u do is hard u r just lying to urself

 

[SoulFly]

was killed by a mincer a total of 13 times last night / this morning, if u think what they / u do is hard u r just lying to urself

Or you just can't play? 8<>

Anyway, Pala is a hybrid, not a pure tank! >_x

Minstrel is a powerfull char yes, every realm has one, some less some more of them, what can you do? The game isn't fair, been said 100 times. Which char would you boost in alb if you nerfed minstrels? I mean, NF will make minstrels completely useless in stealth wars. no ap, no ip and such = gl hf dying ;\

 

[Z^^]

[guild] steph: Fz is so overpowered what where mythic thinking

 

[Ctuchik]

Minstrel mezz interrupts like any other. It cannot keep anyone mezzed for 10 minutes solid, let alone 10 hours. You really need to learn wtf you are talking about before spouting off about it.

i know was just testing the "play the class before u speak" ppl, and none of those that usually say that reacted.. surprises me that they didnt react when i said i was mezzed for 5 minutes.... geez, any class that have a 5 minute mezz........

SO, all u mincer-know-it-all

tho i must admit, the first time i read about that song mezz back in early release, i acually did believe that they could perma mezz someone as long as they could....

 

[Ctuchik]

Remove classes that halve your block/evade rate and evade 50% of your attacks.

QQ

like infils?

 

[SoulFly]

i know was just testing the "play the class before u speak" ppl, and none of those that usually say that reacted.. surprises me that they didnt react when i said i was mezzed for 5 minutes.... geez, any class that have a 5 minute mezz........

_AS IF_

 

[Kreig]

like infils?

<Insert FotM class here>


Funny how the whines revolve, from BDs and Savages to Infs and Minstrels Chanters to Bards (yes i remeber the whines long ago). Tbh any class which is played to its potential, makes use of a powerful style/skill/spell or in a plays in a certain style gets whined at.

Just face facts that most classes are good when played well and used in certain curcumstances, whether or not ppl play that role to the extreme doesnt mean that they will be uber when played in a significantly other role, just that they have found a niche .....


I read these boards and long to read something truely riviting, but the game doesnt support any new and interesting threads any more, a simple break down into Whines about xxxx person/class, Grats xxxx person @ xxxx RR, and thats about it. The rest is fluff like Mythic and GoAs patch notes/Friday news.

 

[SevenSins]

Minstrels aint all that people say they are (without a pet), humans are well known for exaggerating

Anyway, I could live with Charm being removed.. playing with Pets solo is boring, add the fact they suck up a lot of our RPs too mind you

But I guess solo with pets we're pretty overpowered, remember soloing in Hadrians with a buffed Ellyll Sage, killed about 15/20 people without dying once, and took on 4 mids at the same time. (Got owned in the end by a solo bonedancer btw )

Just mezzed them all, and set pet on 1st person to purge and stunned him, then kite, rinse, repeat.

(Still wondering why they all didn't purge at the same time instead of 1 by 1).

Other than that, in stealthwars, it's a whole different story, it's not about the minstrels solo capability (which is quite OK, but not as edge-cutting as everyone swears to be (once again, without a pet )) but the duo/trio with infils, Mezz>PA>Stun/DD/DD>Dead drill. And the odd FZ here and there.

That's kind of unbalancing, but then again, so is a Hunter(FZ)/SB duo vs solo targets.
Or a NS/Ranger(FZ) NS/NS duo, or a SB/SB duo, or a Hunter(FZ)/Hunter(FZ) Ranger(FZ)/Ranger(FZ) duo.. etc, etc, etc, etc.

Only thing that makes people feel that someone stepped on there cocks in stealthwars is just the mere fact that they've been mezzed, and know they're gonna get PA'd anytime soon.

It's not about minstrels being able to wear chain and have stealth, it's not about minstrels being able to have pets, it's about a stealther with CC.

Speaking of which:



9 Essence Flare - Summons PBAE Mez poison (10 second)

Essence Flare, a pbaoe mezz poison of 15 sec duration with a 700 radius.



If Minstrels are overpowered, with Mezz/Stealth, then what's this?

 

[Puppet]

Mincer WS is also very low if you want to have 50 inst 29 weap and 31 stealth not autotrained :\

Yes Im pretty sure every Hybrid who specs 29 weapon will have a pretty pathetic weaponskill.

 

[SoulFly]

What creates severe balance issues = artifact & Ml's.

 

[Path]

If you think the PBAE mez poison is bad, try FZ on a soloing minstrel. Since you're basically guaranteed to get the drop (and even if you don't you can slap stun in your opponents face) you'll get this off, and can kill off your target easily. FZ Is retarded enough as it is in FG fighting (probably introduced to counter BG, but when a certain realm abuse it *cough* Mids *cough* it just gets rediculous), but in a 1on1 stealther situation it's a freecard for RPs :wub:

 

[Case]

FZ?

if a minstrel can kill you 13 times running or whatever myabe try a differnt tactic? it`s not like we have a 4 second insta lifetap or anything and healing pets that`d be just silly if we did...

 

[dimerian]

And if your just immature or a retard, flame away please, nobody will think less of you

steweirwin sends: "cry more newb"

Who would have quessed

 

[Iceforge]

Clerics is one of the least utilized classes in the game as a pure healer.. their "class line" Smite is totally useless as a primary buffer and healer... its not bringing anything a group can use... like a aug healer have celerity and conc haste buffs and druids have insta AE root and stuff.. all a cleric have is a insta pbae mezz thats so lousy its not even worth speccing for atm...

ok true theres classes in midgard/Hibernia with little to no utility to, but think Clerics have it the worst...

You start by comparing Aug line on Healers to Smite line on Clerics, showing your abit clueless on cross-realm balancing.

Healers:
Mend = Healing line
Aug = Buffing Line
Pac = Special Line

Clerics:
Rej = Healing Line
<Forgot name> = Buffing Line
Smite = Special Line

Agree that Pac > Smite, smite is a joke, but you envy Healers conc Haste and celerity, your counterpart is conc-HoT (not very powerfull tho, admitted) and AF-buff (AF-buff > Haste tbfh)

The grass is always greener on the other side, but get your facts straight before whining and Cleric's is NOT the alb class that miss utility, would be your Wizards (Try compare IceWizzie with Supp SM or Mana-Chanter and you got some serious gimps in the pbaoe specter, pbaoe is good on IceWizzie's, but no pet and other good utilities their counter-parts have)

 

[old.windforce]

minstrels are pretty decent when they got IP, AP2 or 3, SoS and purge (by then they are like RR7L2) specially in stealth war. By the time frontiers come out the minstrel RAs are useless for stealth war.

Minstrels in group / zerg vs zerg / group is somewhat underpowered

 

[Awarkle]

i played a minstrel for a while on alb excal and i can understand where the gimped part comes from.

But playing the caster/support class on the other side i see pretty much most minstrels i go up against or see are very powerful in a group they are even pretty decent solo.

They only get Muisc, Stealth + weapon and all there abilitys are on the music line ok they get less spec points but thats the point isnt it you have to consider what you want to be.

Not class should be able to have all the cake and eat it.

I think in the right situation the minstrel is pretty hard and generally if your going out to solo either unbuffed or unspellcrafted then your going to get steamrollered by everything out there.

Minstrels problem isnt that they got all the utility is that they got too much utility in such a short time. The ablative chant and amelorating melodies is really going to tip the balance in a minstrel vs stealther war.

Just glad that SOS is going to the other realms the next one of them speedy bastards that outrun one of my bombers is going to get a slap

 

[Dumle]

That removes Bards being Support, Skalds Being Hybrid, Minstrel being stealther?

What the hell are you talking about, stay off the drugs and ppl might be able to understand what you mean.

 

[nuky]

Or you just can't play? 8<>

i can play just fine, i dont have MoC so cant compete with a mincer's insta's with no quick cast. if u get one of the not so bright one's that fire all their insta's straight away and u manage to root him after stun duration finishes, they just SoS away ^^

 

[Dumle]

I mean, NF will make minstrels completely useless in stealth wars. no ap, no ip and such = gl hf dying ;\

What are you talking about? Minstrels are good only because they have stealth to move around with 2-3 infil buddys that he serves free PAs too. Doesnt anyone understand that we are not
talking about the minstrels ability to solo, we are talking about the damage that a minstrel/infil duo/trio are capable of making.

What can Hib or Mid offer in defense (stealthwarwise, as that is what this thread is about) to a group of mixed infils and minstrels?

 

[Sobek]

never mind..

 

[Dumle]

Since he is talking about not having MoC and rooting the mincer I think he was playing another character

 

[atos]

Theyve had safefall since like 1.62 ? (before?)

Get with the times (he says to a thane..)