Mids

[minstrel_kyra]

Wow sorry to hear you feel that way Vodka. Personally, (and I think I speak for all of TDS), we have nothing but admiration and respect for the Shadow Brothers. We were surprised and sad when they left Unity, since in many ways TDS grew up with SB. First in our original alliance and then going on to Unity. The guild leaders are exceptional people, as are the rest of SB.

As for other members of Unity not responding, well that is true. But not just for your keep but for many. It just depends on what is going on at the time and the time of day. Does this excuse this behavior? Of course not. And there have been many times where TDS have called for help and no one has come to help. I have said time and time again, that is the main difference between Mids and Albs in respect to keeps. As soon as one guard is even tickled they have 1fg there immediately, where as in Albion we wait till 6 guards go down before we bother to check. (TDS is guilty of this too.)

What you are not mentioning however, is what happened before SB left. There was that ugly period when anyone said anything other than reporting the location of the enemy, they would be publically assaulted in /as and in private sends. It wasn't just you that got attacked, ANYONE would. We have had many meetings since those ugly months and I think that those who were hostile have since calmed down a bit.

As for only TDS and PL having say in things, I really truly hope that the rest of Unity does not feel that way because that is not what TDS wants (i'm sure this is the same as PL). We in TDS remember when we were small and felt like a speck in respect to the mighty SoTL and LoE. But slowly we grew and we have made our marks in the Albion soil. We have time and time again answered the call to arms when our realmmates have needed us. So if from time to time we take a break and don't rush to every keep defense, please don't think we don't care or we just can't be bothered because of a guild's influence or size. That's simply not true. There are so many fine guilds in our realm and we are proud to call them our realmmates.

Anyway, lets all calm down a moment and examine his original comments.

He was saying that mids have no right to whine about Alb zerg tactics when Mids do the same. I absolutely agree. While I don't frequent Thid, I remember Emain when I was leveling up. There at the base of the hill would be at least 2fg of mids down there, killing anyone that dared venture down that hill. Those were the days of the evil bugged bows that could nearly clip you while standing at the PK doors. (hence they started calling us guard huggers, but hell wouldn't you if you knew you had no chance in hell as level 40's against all level 50 mids?)

The point is, get over it everyone. Everyone does the same thing and to accuse another of doing what you yourself do, well that's just silly.

Now, enough of fighting each other lets concentrate on the real enemy, the mids and hibs that dare enter our frontier.

Good luck to you Vodka and hope you find a guild home that is more fitting for you.

 

[old.ivan]

Originally posted by rookiescot
Sadly though, all our little Merc got was SPAM messages saying "SHUT UP" and "SHUT THE FUCK UP", he even got a few PM's which were very unpleasant indeed. Now...... our little Merc was in fact an officer in his guild. He didnt feel this little enquirey deserved this level off abuse. Not when he had seen PL and TDS people use this very same channel as a message system to each other over very frivilous matters indeed.
Fair enough thought our little warrior. "No more posting or receiving of /AS for me" and he remove /AS from ALL his chat channels. This seemed to resolve the problem until one day when out with his guild friends his guild took over "control" of a keep.
When the Mids natuarly took offence at this his Guild Master asked for help over the /AS channel for assistance from anyone able to help from Unity.
Yup... you guessed it......no-one fucking came. Our GM asked again and again but no. It seemed the /AS channel was only for important guilds like TDS and PL.
Indeed such were the problems with Unity that Shadowbrothers eventually left.
Like many Guilds before them they felt that Unity was a PL and TDS playground and that the rest of us were only there when PL and TDS needed us. Its was a scenario of TDS and PL want to.... and the rest of you can turn up or fuck off.
In short.....various members of PL and TDS elected to grief an OFFICER from a smaller guild. When the cry for help went up from a smaller guid it was ignored. (one more than one occasion I might add). The opinion of the smaller guilds was ignored on many occasions at the Unity GM meetings. So that bollocks about "All having an equal voice" is just shit. /AS is an incredably unfriendly enviroment even for guild officers.
Unity is an alliance which has no UNITY. /AS is a method of communication between PL and TDS which most people are simply prevented from using. In summery Unity IS PL and TDS. The rest of us were just there to make up numbers for "events" when you needed us.

1) i personally find it very hard to believe that someone from PL would say "Shut up" /especially so "Shut the fuck up" to anyone, leave alone say that on alliance channel. Cmon then mate, post names.. if theres time to name and shame its now or never. After all i refuse to believe what you said above untill you name names and point fingers. Instead of simply badmouthing 2 fine guild. And trust me on this one, noone can spam /as and get away with it, for example finding groups via /as is not allowed, because its profane, you can use Unity forums for that.

2) [regarding keeps] it all depends on the time of day that was mate, guilds have other things to do : guild hunts <as far as dartmoor sometimes>, theres not that many of us on etc. And do not be mistaken Unity is Not a 2 guild run alliance so putting it down to PL and TDS is wrong. Many times people didnt answer calls for help, but thats only natural for people to sometimes have their own agenda. I simply dont believe in the pro-communal stuff and self-sacrifice.

3) [GM meetings] wouldnt know how they proceed, im not GM ... hard to believe it, but since i havent had any experience, i will leave it at that.

4) [using /as] geez why is that channel so important to people, i have speaking rights in /as ... yet i seldom use it <3-4 times a month if that>. Only officers in PL are allowed speaking rights on /as , all full members of PL are allowed hearing rights only. So in this regard you are totally wrong< that /as is used extensively for chit-chat>.

Sorry for not being as soothing as Kyra. But what really did you expect mate, badmouth my guild publicly and get away with it ? no chance, not without justification first. However if your arguments will seem solid to me, i will say sorry on the behalf of PL. But then we both know that you couldnt care less, right

 

[casbardh_deroos]

Thank you Vodka Fairy for your reply, and I will add my thoughts to my honourable colleague, Kyra.

Im a bit suprised at what youve related, and can only speak for my own knowledge when I reply to it.

Firstly you state that TDS is an "Important" Guild. We take pride in ourselves YES, like any other guild in Albion should. That doesnt make us important does it? And if YOU think we are important...I wonder what we have done.

To be brutaly honest I'd rather the Guild I belonged too had fun than be deemed important, but thank you.

Secondly, if you received the level of abuse you say you did for using AS, as an Officer, why didnt you get Screenies? Why on earth didnt you deal with this then instead of bringing it up now for crying out loud when nothing can be done?

It seems, and I think all it is, is mud slinging after an event, that you have related in your words alone. Im sorry if you posted that seriously Vodka, but from where im sitting, your trying to paint 2 guilds as an evil empire. There are no names, no facts, no dates.

This does your argument no credit.

I think an Alliance that has voted AGAINST centralisation of decision making, is not a dictatorship under one or more persons.


Thirdly, Unity is about PL and TDS is it?

Then why is each Guild in Unity scheduled to hold an alliance event on a fair calender basis? I think you'd find that the guilds choose the event They want to do, no one else. There is no magical moot between PL and TDS I can assure you.

If anything, you may be mistaking PL's will to organise a highland games, and those who gave willingly to support it in time and items, as something it is not.

Fourthly, AS an unfriendly environemnt?

It has had its moments.

And when it did, and my friends were feeling it, I FOUGHT my corner, did not switch off AS, and worked towards a better AS for Alliance guild members. That last sentance sounds like management bollox doesnt it?

Well I can tell you its 100% bally well true.


Dont you go thinking im feeling all fired up and happy that I have replied.

Youve flamed two good albion Guilds, and an Alliance. I have replied to your flame.

As Kyra says, I know who my enemies are, and there not inside Albion.

 

[old.TeaSpoon]

To be quite honest, I think this has gone far enough. It seems Vodka's post has put the previous posters from TDS and PL on their defences, which as with anything will add to the fire.

Lets leave this to sort out ingame.

 

[casbardh_deroos]

Originally posted by old.TeaSpoon
To be quite honest, I think this has gone far enough.

Aye, it did, but everyone has the right in this circumstance to defend what they hold dear.

/salute.

I shall inquire after ye in game sir, as ye suggest.

 

[casbardh_deroos]

[note: for everyone who is reading the Y in Ye as Y...it actually should be read as Th, the same sound as in THumb.

The Y is taken from an old shortening of the two letters TH to one word, to save time when writing (the Y is called A thorn). Therefore, anything that looks like Ye (like ye Olde Tea Shoppe) should be pronounced Thee or such like.]

 

[uncle]

I as a Shadowbrother, as I believe many of my guild mates did, had a bad experience in the Unity alliance, maybe it wasnt right for us, or we were not right for the alliance, I do not know.

I would also like to add that Vod is entitled to his opinions, whether they are right or rong that is how he feels, and I would suggest that if an alliance, any alliance, makes someone feel that way then there is something rong.

 

[Laird MacGregor]

Shadowbrothers time in the Unity is not personified by one person’s views, nor incidents that happened over a space of hours and days.

It is personified by the 1 and a bit years involvement they had with 10 or so other allied guilds, from all stretches of game play from the likes of SoTL, LoE, GoP, PL, OoKT, GK, TDS, RG, LH, BC, PG, DLK, etc, etc... almost too many to mention.

Good times and bad times, and bloody well mostly good you know it; but funny how human nature defers to the bad times more eh? It's so much easier to whine and moan and bitch about something than to praise and thank and reward.

That's a rough justice.

Vodka you and I will have a chat in game. I've been looking for you for a couple of days already. If there is some measure of compensation or satisfaction due, you will receive it mark my words.

 

[Huntingtons]

Originally posted by indio
You had us pinned down in ck on several occasions with onagers blasting inside keep but we still overcame you (like when we nipped out of the back of the ck and surprise attacked from the rear).

Soon put off by our superior tactics you Albs decided not to come back so were simply outnumbered for much of the weekend.

(Star - runie)

pfft. as if we kicked yer arses at the shores a dozen of times. Oh and... let them camp CK imo, its more fun as long as you're a ranged char



And Laird, The reason why people look at the bad things is because it hurts alot more... Lets say you've had 5 bad experinces from the same pub, but... 8-10 good? would you then go there again?

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by Huntingtons
And Laird, The reason why people look at the bad things is because it hurts alot more... Lets say you've had 5 bad experinces from the same pub, but... 8-10 good? would you then go there again?

dude... Laird IS the bad experience in a pub....

 

[Laird MacGregor]

Originally posted by Huntingtons
And Laird, The reason why people look at the bad things is because it hurts alot more... Lets say you've had 5 bad experinces from the same pub, but... 8-10 good? would you then go there again?

That's rhetorical isn't it kin? Would Laird NOT go to a pub regardless?

 

[rookiescot]

OK I need to clarify a few things here.....
I am Vodka. Just Vodka. Vodkafairy is someone else who I dont know, I have see him in game a few times (and cringed at his choice of name I might add. It had conotations which I found most unpleasant). Please do NOT confuse me with him. I dont want him getting flamed in game for something he has nothing to do with.
The incident with the spamming of "Shut up" and "Shut the fuck up".....that happened over a year ago. Jesus how the hell am I supposed to remember names after a year has elapsed?
I posted what I posted because I was asked to. I was asked to explain myself....think it was Addlcove, so I did.
I gave MY opinion. Im sorry if it ruffles a few feathers. But there you go. I posted MY experiences of being in a guild which belonged to the Unity Alliance. If Im the ONLY one who is of this opinion then whats the problem? You can simply dismiss it as the rantings of one solitary disgruntled Alb.
But I think the problem runs deeper than that. Some of the members of Unity perhaps fear that I might not be the only one with this opinion. I honestly feel that Unity needs to look at itself and if problems are there then Unity needs to fix them. I dont think the idea of Unity is wrong. But I think the execution and implementation of Unity has sometimes been wrong. Being a member of an Alliance should have been fun not unpleasant to the extent I ignored /as.
I can honestly say that with hindsight I would have used phrases like "Some of PL" and "Some of TDS" rather than what I chose. I knew many fine members of PL and TDS and should not have tarred everyone with the same brush.
All this from a post asking Mids not 2 bitch about Albs when Mids doing what they bitch about Albs doing.
One of these days Im going to make a post "Bears shit in the woods"
See how much grief that gets me

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by rookiescot

I gave MY opinion. Im sorry if it ruffles a few feathers. But there you go. I posted MY experiences of being in a guild which belonged to the Unity Alliance. If Im the ONLY one who is of this opinion then whats the problem? You can simply dismiss it as the rantings of one solitary disgruntled Alb.
But I think the problem runs deeper than that. Some of the members of Unity perhaps fear that I might not be the only one with this opinion. I honestly feel that Unity needs to look at itself and if problems are there then Unity needs to fix them. I dont think the idea of Unity is wrong. But I think the execution and implementation of Unity has sometimes been wrong. Being a member of an Alliance should have been fun not unpleasant to the extent I ignored /as.

it has been at least a few months since SB left Unity, and yes untiy was bad at the time, it has also been improved since through regular warlord meetings (meetings between gm´s in al Unity guilds for those unknowing).
I too felt sadness when SB left Unity, especially so as they did so without any prior warning (to my knowledge, they might have had a private chat with laird).

few guilds have left Unity since, most because of lack of responce in /as when on keeptakes/retakes.
now the retake part I can understand completely, but honestly, if someone is taking a keep in midgard to gain access to DF I´m not likely to show up, I don´t like DF and see no reason to spend time taking a keep for half the force to log/suicide somewhere else and leave the rest of the people back to defend it.

I LIKE keeptakes for the sake of taking a keep, not for the sake of getting DF.

I can honestly say that with hindsight I would have used phrases like "Some of PL" and "Some of TDS" rather than what I chose. I knew many fine members of PL and TDS and should not have tarred everyone with the same brush.

that would have been smarter yes

 

[Guinnessrules]

Î know i might not have anything to do with this thread at all, but i have an opinion that u might take some time to think about.

I have been in a few guilds(alb: Utopia and DoA) and alliances over the years i've been playing(since beta).
It is very irritating when noone cba to atleast answer u on /as, when requesting for help. And it is very boring to have an /as that is too controlled. If Someone has something important to say they can use caps, otherwise it's more nice to have it as an extention to /gu.
It makes ur alliance tighter and u get to know more peeps from the other guilds in a friendly way.
Thats just my opinion and u can think what u like, just atleast think about it.
We were in an alliance with Utopia, can't remember the guilds tho :/ , but it was a friendly one and we had many laughs there.
Tho one of the reasons why i left alb was the hard and sometimes unfriendly tone some of my so called realm-mates used against others. And i know a few more that has left for that reason.
Tho DoA and Utopia has forever my love

But try to keep a respectful way against each others and alb will be the nice realm it once were. I know u can, i have seen it.
Take care all!!
/the enemy