MIDS Nerfed ??

[mrmiagi]

I was just thinking... Both alb and hib Main tanks can go for Polearm/Celtic spear for huge dmg output, mids can only choose 2h that aint enough dmg...
This sucks really i think ...
Do u ?

 

[minime_]

Well i think our beloved hamster dude pretty much equals the score. Plus that warrior and hunter will pwn in melee in 1.56 i think it is.

 

[Cowled]

Just wait for the "warrior"-class gets loving .. ouch...

 

[Arnor]

Jesus Christ what an inane post

mids NERFED?????

its been this way since retail, and mid 2handers are already gimped compared to the other realms in terms of dmg. (115% vs 140%) but yeah, we get "free" 2h spec, whopee.


And sorry to rain on your parade mr.nakkeost, but they wont own in melee, they will be brought up on par, it's not the gift from god, its a small bone thrown from mythic.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Arnor2

its been this way since retail, and mid 2handers are already gimped compared to the other realms in terms of dmg. (115% vs 140%) but yeah, we get "free" 2h spec, whopee.

No offence, but that's a myth

mids do the same damage with 2h weapons that everyone else does. (see countless posts on VN by people refuting that statement)

What they don't get is a nice new flashy style line. As far as I know Polearm does more damage than the base albion styles (hard to verify) whereas your mids are stuck using your base styles. Kinda like a merc who gets to pay through the nose for dual wield and gets styles that are the same as the slash ones... ho hum. Could be worse - Celtic dual styles are actually worse than the base ones....

Of course you don't see many polearmsmen with 50 shield.

But anyway it's academic, they gave warriors an edge anyway. (personally I thought they just needed some flavour - they didn't have any problems, they were just dull. That and zerkers have stupid style damage making warriors look pretty impotent atm.)

 

[minime_]

Well arnor, i still believe the reason for mids not to have good 2hers is coz of the hamster. And BTW if we had anyone that could hit as hard with 2h, would anyone go for it? Warrior is pretty much depending on his shield. Hamster sucks with 2h, even if damage would be better. Only class it could posible help would be Skald or Crit SB, but there arent many crit blades around anymore. And skald would simply be to overpowered with a damage output like that. Correct me if im wrong.

 

[Flimgoblin]

minime - no style line in any realm is as sick as left axe

polearm has a nice chain ... but the damage is nowhere near LA..

 

[minime_]

Fingoniel you got my point

 

[subski]

Originally posted by Fingoniel
minime - no style line in any realm is as sick as left axe

polearm has a nice chain ... but the damage is nowhere near LA..

overall Laxe is one of the best lines but sure aint much compared to some of the styles aquired by other realms.

several styles in the other spec lines matches the Laxe styles, it is still only the overall of Laxe styles that makes Laxe superior, and after doublefrost nerf it is not much imho.

Albion styles

thrusting
50 Dragonfang L M H -L After You Evade Target is Stunned

2-hand
12 Bone Bruiser M M L - Anytime Target is Slowed ->
29 Bone Breaker M H L - After 'Bone Bruiser' Target is Stunned
50 Sun and Moon M M L - After 'Bone Breaker' Target is Bleeding

2-hand
15 Onslaught M M M - From Beside Target Target is Hindered
44 Two Moons L M H - After 'Onslaught' Target is Stunned

DW
25 Reflection L M L L After You Parry - ->
44 Hypnotic Darkness M M H - After 'Reflection' Target is Stunned


Hibernia styles

LW
50 Annihilation M M H+ -M From Behind Target Target is Stunned

Piercing

25 Diamondback L M M M After You Evade Target is Stunned
44 Dragonspider M M M - After 'Diamondback' Target is Bleeding
50 Wyvern's Bite M H H L After 'Dragonspider' Target is Bleeding



the 3 step combo from piercing is a little more tricky than the others because it chains of evade but all styles are with medium or high bonus tohit, and I believe this chain is more common used than 50 laxe style "target parries" in most rvr.
I rarely get to use that style in most common rvr myself.

the alb 2hand 3chain is pure ownage of zerkers, I can tell that from experience. only problem they will have is high parry/block/evade classes because of the three stop combo. however they still only have to land first and 2nd hit to be rather safe.

I believe that it is wrong to call Laxe styles overpowered or too strong (not saying that you are), imo its balanced pretty well, the strong styles come with a catch. Only really strong style imo is

29 Snowsquall M H M - From Behind Target -
44 Icy Brilliance M H H - After 'Snowsquall' Target is Bleeding

its easy to get off in most common rvr and it is awesome in damage, fat. cost and tohit. only the effect kinda sucks, bleeding is somewhere near useless, any class recharges hp faster than you bleed

 

[old.Lythande]

You forgot the "your-opponent-tried-to-use-his-characters-spec-now-you-win" chain in polearms

34
Defender's Rage
Target uses a style
High bonus to hit
No defense-bonus/penalty
Low Fatigue
High Damage
Bleeding

44
Defender's Revenge
Defender's Rage
Very High bonus to hit
No defense-bonus/penalty
Low Fatigue
High Damage
Stunned

Sounds like a hard chain to get off in RvR huh?

 

[-frostor-]

actually no

 

[Flimgoblin]

I'd trade it for consistently stupid style damage

the bonuses from left axe styles (the +423) are generally similar those you see on some polearmsmen...

and they hit every 3 seconds.

this is without zerking.

 

[old.casiraghi]

Tbh, i think LA styles are crap in RvR

As Sub wrote, after they nerfed DF, only really usefull style is the snowsquall/icy Brilliance combo which I use everytime some sissy tries to run away

I find it almost impossible to get any of the combos starting with either parry or evade of in RvR unless its in a 1vs1 and that doesnt happen very often

In PvE though LA styles rock, but who gives a shit about that at lvl 50?

 

[Gekul]

Originally posted by Fingoniel
I'd trade it for consistently stupid style damage

the bonuses from left axe styles (the +423) are generally similar those you see on some polearmsmen...

and they hit every 3 seconds.

this is without zerking.

+423, you just made that up

I very much doubt even a low qui troll zerker sees that on a regular basis.

 

[Northstarr]

i think what makes left axe so powerfull is that you land with both weaps EVERY time and its a lot faster as the other realms big dmg weaps (poles spears 2 handed)

 

[Treniel-]

erm..omfg?

wait wait you get to spec one line and get Crush, Thrust or Slash weapon types out of it...and your saying your nerfed?

ok tell you what i'll swap you defenders rage/revenge style if i can spec just as polearm and have thrust/slash dmg output? k?

think not.

prat

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Treniel-

wait wait you get to spec one line and get Crush, Thrust or Slash weapon types out of it

Which spec is this?

 

[minime_]

Axe = Slash
Sword = Slash
Hammer = Crush

Which gives the zerker the possiblity to hit with crush and slash at the same time.

kthx

 

[Gekul]

Zerkers have to train 2 lines though, leftaxe and hammer/axe.

 

[old.anubis]

hehe, left axe is used for speed not for dmg, you hit with your right hand for 400+ and you hit with your left hand for 40+, who cares whether it's slash/thrust/wtfelse

and mid 2handers are indeed at 115%, i hit with 4.2 spd 1hander almost for the same dmg as with 4.6 spd 2hander (well, qua/bon is lower for dropped 2hander, but anyway)

 

[Danya]

So do mercs - crush/slash/thrust and dual wield, and BMs so that's not really an issue.

Also, I have to laugh at:
2-hand
12 Bone Bruiser M M L - Anytime Target is Slowed ->
29 Bone Breaker M H L - After 'Bone Bruiser' Target is Stunned
50 Sun and Moon M M L - After 'Bone Breaker' Target is Bleeding
Have you seen the stun on Bone Breaker? It's about 2-3 seconds, really not that good.

 

[old.casiraghi]

Originally posted by old.anubis
hehe, left axe is used for speed not for dmg, you hit with your right hand for 400+ and you hit with your left hand for 40+, who cares whether it's slash/thrust/wtfelse

and mid 2handers are indeed at 115%, i hit with 4.2 spd 1hander almost for the same dmg as with 4.6 spd 2hander (well, qua/bon is lower for dropped 2hander, but anyway)

Those 400+ is far from true, maybe you hit for that amount of dmg on casters once in a while i.e. when you get a high crit. or is fully buffed, but not all have access to full shamie buffs on average I think i hit for 200+ right hand and 40+ left hand.

Might be because im a gimped norse zerker with to much quick

 

[Arnor]

Oh, yeah 2dmg-types my ass btw ^^

532 with main, 67 with offhand

 

[old.anubis]

532 is your cap dmg, happened on intercept, it's like hitting grey con smth

 

[Kagato.]

Originally posted by old.Lythande
You forgot the "your-opponent-tried-to-use-his-characters-spec-now-you-win" chain in polearms

34
Defender's Rage
Target uses a style
High bonus to hit
No defense-bonus/penalty
Low Fatigue
High Damage
Bleeding

44
Defender's Revenge
Defender's Rage
Very High bonus to hit
No defense-bonus/penalty
Low Fatigue
High Damage
Stunned

Sounds like a hard chain to get off in RvR huh?

Not just stunned but long duration stun, exactly same as slam, not bad for a 2 style chain huh ? Which is nice except it will only work on classes that use styles, so no good on main healers/casters so we cannot stun them and it also means you have to get hit hard first, so most of the time you don't even start the chain till your 2nd hit as you always want to try and land the first blow. I tend to use Rage as back up style every time incase it lands and then follow with revenge.
But it is very nice,
But then again shouldn't it be ? We have to spec two lines to get this to the max so why shouldn't we get nice styles to compensate. Specially considering that our only other viable styles are the level 18 Crippling blow / Mangle style as the last no-opener 'Poleaxe' is utterly useless (hence why its top of the Armsman TL report list to be fixed).

 

[hellraisermk2]

Originally posted by Cowled
Just wait for the "warrior"-class gets loving .. ouch...

What loving? From what I've read we get our base damaged increased to the highest in the game?

Whilst it makes us that little bit more uber in PvE, in terms of RvR it will have absolutely NO effect at all. To inflict base damage, you need to have NO endurance. It DOES NOT increase styles damage. It is usless.

Now, I ask warriors out there.... how many times have you ran out of endurance in RvR? Unless you get some good duels, like me, that will be never.

I'm getting pretty pissed about people saying "yeah, but you will own in 1.56." We will be no different in RvR. The patch where we may possibly be brought back on par with other tanks is 1.53/54 with the apparent "block/ parry" fixes and cheap RA's (way to try and balance a class... RA's :/). And judging from the US boards, they still haven't managed to fix the block/ parry problems.

Base damage means absolutely fuck all in RvR. Warriors will still be the worst tanks in the game RvR wise. Thanks for letting me get to lvl 50 only to realise that any points I specced in Parry/ Shield were a waste of time.

 

[Treniel-]

sorry not thrust thats diff realm mids get slash/crush though

hibs with LW get crush, slash or thrust..i think

 

[Arnor]

take a peek in daoc classes for dummies please

 

[old.Mitsu]

LW is crush/slash.

 

[Treniel-]

still beats any of alb spec lines...2 choices where as we gota spec in 2 different lines to get one going at a decent dmg rate