Mids gimpness

[Jenna.]

Gonna do some comparisation between alb/hib and mid:

Armsman:

Better Armor than any tank-classes, xbow>throwing weapons.

Cabalist:

Better pet than SM, better DoT than shaman, better DD than runie.

Cleric

Clerics can smite, healers can....heal(?!)

Friar

Staff that does more damage than PA, evade V, compare that to mids... uhh, nothing

Infiltrator

2.5x specpoints, vanish... l bye SB's

Mercenary

Theres some mercenary that 0wnz all tanks in mid.. conclusion: Better than all mid tanks

Minstrel

Stealth, speed, mezz, stun, pet, good RA. Nah, they aint uber.

Paladin

Tank that can ress, have like 1500 AF, and 50% energy resistance, yeah I like those too

Scout

Archer than can slam, ok

Sorceror

Best mezz in game, better DD than runies, ok

Theurgist

A lvl 5 theurgist can prolly kill a lvl 50 runie.better DD than runies, AE mezz. uberpets.

Wizard

best bolts and DD in game, and some ae root etc...

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Bard

speed, end & powersong (can like sprint forever with 2 bards), AE-mezz etc...

Blademaster

Everyone thinks they are gimps, thats why they are so uber...

Champion

Luri champions got like 300 dex and quickness, they debuff you to 1 str and 1 hp then hit you for 1000+, ok

Druid

Ae-root, uberpet, uber-DoT, uberbuffs

Eldritch

Ever heard about stun, DD, DD, DD, DD?

Enchanter

I like stun combined with pbae, 1000 damage each 200 ms aint that bad, not even overpowered.

Hero

SLAM! SPEAR! xxx was just killed by Hero!

Mentalist

These d00ds can do like, mezz, stun, dd, heal, buff, pet, speed, stealth, vanish, can prolly wear plate and specc bow also.

Nightshade

ppl laugh at luri-NS then they get DoT:ed for 800+

Ranger

Ranger r0xx0r hunters any day, so they are also overpowered.

Warden

Hes like mid healer but only with better heals, buffs, mezzes, and he gets a evul pet ofcourse.

+ all of the above got like 6 sec pbt

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Berserker

OMG! I'm a vendo, gah mezzed.... dead

Healer

weeh, I can stun and heal and... heal.. and stun...! but I cant do any damage

Hunter

woohoo! I can shoot at their pbt with arrows, then infil keels me!

Runemaster

OMG! I got like TEH DD and TEH bolt, I DD locomo for whooping 200 damage, then I realize thats 5% of his hp.
I also got some bolt that can do 1008 dmg maxdmg, but that is like once a year when it hit someone. My castingtime is good also, DD every 5 second owns.

Shadowblade

hihi, I can kill casters, but I cant do shit more

Shaman

I usually stand inside MPK and buff ppl, I gain loads of RP's that way.

Skald

I'm almost as good as any hib or alb class, so that makes me kinda uber in mid. All people want me for is the speed tho.

Spiritmaster

look at this cute kobie-SM, lets onehit her with a DD

Thane

omg, some healer mezzed 40 albs, I better keel them all with my hammer of might!

Warrior

I can hit people in melee, but I usually die before that

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Albion: 5 sec traveltime to portalkeep, then u get uberteam so you have 2000 hps, and 50% resistance against all, you have like 5 infils in team who farm RP's for you and all is fine, then some spy report that mid is relicraiding in 20 min so you spawn instantly in excalibur with 100 other albs.

Hibernia: We pull like 20-30 purpcon mobs and then kill them in 5 sec, thats why we got 4 lvl 50s/player. In RvR we have like 2sec/pbt per team and 50% resistance to magic so we kinda ownz ppl.

Midgard: We usually die shitload of times from the zerg, then we whine and get bored, so we try the relics, then we get owned by the albs and we whine even more. And when we finally manage to get some relics, just because hibs did all the work, we just get 2 of them... Someone breaks mezz and we whine more, and after some more whine we do /quit and go play BF1942.

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

It's true





Note: Not all thanes use Mjolnir to break mez. Some have learned from their mistakes

 

[old.Pyrotechnix]

LoL Jenna, hope that wasn't a serious post


Pyro

 

[old.Flamin]

[12:36:49] <Obi-Wan_> cant some alb whine at mine whinepost @ BW?

Whine at Obi-wan

 

[Solid]

Originally posted by Jenna.
[11:37] <Obi-Wan_> http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?threadid=31653 <-- a little whine from me

Yay

Can I join

MYTHIC FIX MY CLASS

 

[pudzy]

Backs up my post at a larger scale

GIVE SB'S MORE POINTS FS!

 

[old.Gromnir]

Thane

omg, some healer mezzed 40 albs, I better keel them all with my hammer of might!


Yeah but it looks cool and you get like 20 people sending you msg's for like 30min afterwwards telling you how nice of you it was to use TÈH HAMMOR spell.

 

[klavrynd]

OMG! I'm a vendo, gah mezzed.... dead

lols

allow me to do a comparison of my own, using pseudo-equivalent classes

A. Tanks (Mythic stated Midgard is the melee realm, which came down to letting every viking (melee base class) use a 2 handed version of their weapon, albeit that midgards 2h have less damage increase then their albion/hibernia counterparts to make up for speclines (2handed) and god knows why for hibernia (celtic spear and Large weapons don't need secondary speccing either))
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1. "Heavy" tank :

Armsman vs Hero vs Warrior

The hero is far superior here, having access to every possible damage type in low-specpoint-cost lines in both 1 and 2handed varieties (cs,lw <-> 2h/polearms). The times "moose ability" effectively doubles their hp with no drawback except the skin and is a huge advantage in pve as well as rvr.

Armsmen have superior armor (plate), access to polearms in all damage types (defender's rage being thé most overpowered style/chain cross-realm imho), and onehanded versions as well of all damage types. They have ranged attacks in the form of x-bow which outdamage throwing axes anytime.

The warrior has chain armor, only access to crush and slash weapons and as grand special a stunning evade 1.

2. "Light tank" :

Mercenary vs Blademaster vs Berserker

Generally spoken , all "light tank" classes are gimped.

The mercenary has chain armor, access to weapons in all damage types, speccable shield and "Dirty tricks", a splendid ability on a reasonably high duration timer.
They only have evade 1 and even though the dual wield styles are terrible overall, the unstyled damage over time lies higher then the left axe counterpart.

The blademaster allso has access to all possible damage types, reinforced armor and evade 3. Extra defence given by means of speccable shield. Their class defining ability Triple wield has laughable extra damage and is on a high duration timer. Celtic dual works similar to to dual wield, has evenly bad styles but does more unstyled damage over time.

The berserker has studded armor, evade 3, up to now no means of ranged attack ( vs shortbow in both other cases) and a superior left axe dual wield line, having as only negative side that only an axe can be wielded in the off hand and the best style has been tuned down to ridiculous damage for an evenly high endurance cost.He only has access to crush and slash damage.

3. "Hybrid tank" :

Paladin vs Champion vs Thane

This might prove to be a hard comparison since the real goal of these classes isn't exactly the same.

The paladin is a defensive tank that rules the pve environment.
His chants can add extra AF, extra damage, or heal a shedload of hp in 6 second cycles. They can wear up to plate armor, have access to all damage types, the 2handed line, speccable shield and parry.
He has a self af buff.

The champion has access to all damage types,the large weapons line, parry and speccable shield.
He has a valor spell line, giving dd's, str/con debuff, dex/qui debuff, attack speed debuff, all shouts, wears up to scale armor and has Evade 3.

The thane has access to slashing and crushing weapons, wears chain armor, has speccable shield and parry.
His stormcalling line gives extra str, a damage add, a bolt, an insta dd, and a pbae insta dd.

All hybrid tanks have lower hp then the heavy tanks.

B. Rogues
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1. Assasins :

Infiltator vs Nightshade vs Shadowblade.

The infiltrator is superior here, having 2.5x specpoints, and their superior level 50 thrusting style. They allso have a dual wield line, which is shared with the mercenary. They have access to both thrusting and slashing damage types.

The nightshade has 2.2x specpoints, access to slashing and piercing, and a direct damage line which does minor damage.They share the celtic dual line with the blademaster.

The shadowblade has 2.2x specpoints, only access to slashing weapons and the ability to use 2h weapons. They have slightly higher hitpoints then their counterparts.

2. Archers :

Scouts vs Rangers vs Hunters

The scout has access to slashing and thrusting weapons, speccable shield and evade 3. Slow bows hit for huge damagevalues.

The ranger has reinforced armor, evade 3 and access to thrusting and slashing damage.
They have a Pathfinding line that gives str, af, dex/qui, dmg add and speed boost buffs and share the Celtic dual line with the Blademaster/nightshade.

The hunter has studded armor and evade 2 and can train in slashing weapons and a 2handed spear.
Their beastcraft line gives them access to af, dex/qui, speedboost buffs and charm animals and insects up to level 40 and a pet str/con buff.

The other classes will come later

 

[Meatballs]

beserkers rock

yellow con ratman, I was standing up not res sick, buffed, in all mah yellow/orange con armour, we've got 10% melee bonus so you guys cant have any bonus, and erm owee

I actually thought some level50 nuker had got attacked me at first, i only have like 1200hp buffed and it dropped in half in one hit

 

[klavrynd]

If he went ratmode , he was really lucky on the crits, if he did't i want his axes

usual damage on a 50 infil is around 300ish + 70/80 when not zerking.

ps : did he parry one of your moves? since you get an attackspeed debuff and the parry reactive style is the only one i can think off

 

[erl]

The hunter has studded armor and evade 2 and can train in slashing weapons and a 2handed spear.
Their beastcraft line gives them access to af, dex/qui, speedboost buffs and charm animals and insects up to level 40 and a pet str/con buff.

At 50 a hunter can charm a level 41 pet, not only 40.

 

[Verena]

LOL

 

[old.k70]

Stop misguiding people here Jenna some might even think you are not kidding...

 

[fatgit]

Originally posted by Jenna.
Gonna do some comparisation between alb/hib and mid:

Cabalist:

Better pet than SM, better DoT than shaman, better DD than runie.

Cleric

Cabalist Body Spec
45 Superior Essence Consumption 140 60% 2.5 sec. 29P Enemy

Runemaster Darkness Spec
37 Rune of Shadow 173 2.8 sec. 23P Enemy
47 Greater Rune of Shadow 219 2.8 sec. 30P Enemy

Even a level 37 spec has a better DD than cabby.


Cabalist pets are more or less useless in rvr even if you go spiritgimp. theyre bugged to hell, ruby procs as often as the England Cricket team win the ashes, jade - pfft. Arcanium sim - yay 14 RA points for 4mins of a mezzed sim per 30 mins


Shamen dots :
30 Fungal Ichor 108 3 sec. 19P Enemy 20 sec.
35 Fungal Scum 128 3 sec. 22P Enemy 20 sec.
41 Fungal Mucus 148 3 sec. 26P Enemy 20 sec.
46 Spore Whirlwind 83 5 sec. 3 sec. 47P Enemy 350 20 sec.

Cabby DoT
49 Delaceration 89 4 sec. 3 sec. 32P Enemy 24 sec.
46 Lance Spirit 83 4 sec. 3 sec. 47P Enemy 350 24 sec

OK, it ticks once more later on, but look - the leve 30 dot hits more a tick than a level 49 matter spec cabby...
In addition they have aoe disease, aoe root, 232 bolt and a 141 dd in hte SAME lines as the dots.
Cabbies have dot, aoe dot, nearsight and pet shield in that line.
Cabalists dont get an aoe root at all - a 25% speed reduction snare in teh spirit line at 28+

I could go through and pick out bits from all mid classes to make it look like albion is gimped vs mid, just face it, atm alb are a threat to mid and you cant handle it any more.

 

[Jenna.]

I kinda rofl at you irl fatgit

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

nice one Jenna
and fatgit im sorry but I have to chuckle to

 

[fatgit]

Im a cabalist, Ive gott a keep up the gimp image ffs!

 

[Jenna.]

btw, why do you compare shaman DD with cabalist DoT?

Single Target Direct Damage Type: Matter Range: 1500
Lv. Spell Name: Damage Cast Cost Targ. Delay
1 Fungal Mud 5 3 sec. 2P Enemy 20 sec.
4 Fungal Froth 17 3 sec. 3P Enemy 20 sec.
7 Fungal Muck 29 3 sec. 5P Enemy 20 sec.
11 Fungal Slush 40 3 sec. 7P Enemy 20 sec.
15 Fungal Slime 57 3 sec. 9P Enemy 20 sec.
20 Fungal Ooze 73 3 sec. 12P Enemy 20 sec.
25 Fungal Sludge 92 3 sec. 15P Enemy 20 sec.
30 Fungal Ichor 108 3 sec. 19P Enemy 20 sec.
35 Fungal Scum 128 3 sec. 22P Enemy 20 sec.
41 Fungal Mucus 148 3 sec. 26P Enemy 20 sec.

Heres the DoT:

Subterranean Incantations

48 Fungal Blight 87 4 sec. 3 sec. 31P Enemy 24 sec.

And Cabby DoT:

49 Delaceration 89 4 sec. 3 sec. 32P Enemy 24 sec.

Cabby DoT does more damage but its in the speccline and shaman is baseline.

then AE-DoT:

shaman:

46 Spore Whirlwind 83 5 sec. 3 sec. 47P Enemy 350 20 sec.

cabby:

46 Lance Spirit 83 4 sec. 3 sec. 47P Enemy 350 24 sec.

if you wanna compare DD:

darkness:
47 Greater Rune of Shadow 219 2.8 sec. 30P Enemy
RC:
48 Rune of Destruction 176 3 sec. 31P Enemy
supp:
50 Rune of Mazing 179 35% 3 sec. 33P Enemy 30 sec.

cabby got two lifetaps:
45 Superior Essence Consumption 140 60% 2.5 sec. 29P Enemy
and:
45 Abduct Lifeforce 174 90% 2.5 sec. 29P Enemy

darkness: 78,2 per sec
RC: 58,7 per sec
Supp: 59,7 per sec + snare

cabby:

baseline: 56 per sec + 60% lifetap
spec: 69,6 per sec + 90% lifetap

go ahead, flame me

 

[fatgit]

bah apologies there, the list I have lists that as a dot, just looked on herald, and you are correct.

As I said, Im a cabalist

 

[Blixt Gordon]

I have no problem with Albs. After smite clerics get brought down to a reasonable level of gimpness, a thanes level of dmgdealing that is, the albs are prolly just as gimpy as we mids are compared to hib. But they do get incredible good RAs compared to mid, and that make them better anyway.

When bards get insta mezz, mids is just a big lol when you compare them to hibs. Hib got the best tanks(hero plays in a own division), the best cc/healers(always max speed + sprint + insta mezz = gg), the best casters(hiya stun and pbao), the best hybrids(hiya champion and warden, tank with 6 sec bt umkay?).

Hib get group purge too btw if i forgot to mention that. But mids get a free ress every 30 minutes tho, thats just as good.. zzz..

[This dont bother me so much tho, soon pvsp comes and 90% on that server will be hib chars, so fugg realm balance. Really. And bajjakajja i spell bad, as Dosferra would have put it.]

 

[old.linnet]

Cool! You actually get a spell called 'Fungal Mucus'?


<feels gimped>





Lin

 

[cHodAX]

Poor mids, all that and they can't make good pie either

 

[Negura`]

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[Myshra]

oooh oooh, lets comepare:

wizard v eldrich v runemaster, the so called primary nuker class

wizards are all damage but cant take any, they have the same bolt as every runemaster so saying they miss means we miss just as much. we get a specced aoe in the same line sure, and an aoe, BUT, where is our GTAoE (next patch before you all moan) in our bolt spec line like a void eldrich or a runie ( the cookie cutter template, how often do you come accross one who isn't?)

wheres a wizards ability to defend ourselves? wheres our stun in a baseline spec, or a PBT in one of my lines? HELL WHERES MY BLEEDIN NEARSIGHT!

i could moan for bleedin hours about my class like i just did but im not gonna go any further cause...


I DONT WANT TO BE LIKE THEM. IF EVERY REALM ALL HAD THE SAME ABILITIES THIS GAME WOULD SUCK AND BE VERY DULL IN RVR.

ta now stfu with your complaining, and god dammit, why is my class specific RA so crap?

 

[Jenna.]

Youre albion, so you cant be gimped... plz stfu

 

[old.Mitsu]

AHAHAHAHHAAAHAHHHAAAAAAA!!!1

No really... good post.

My favorite is the one with merc being better than any mid tank.

 

[old.TeaSpoon]

Originally posted by klavrynd
or heal a shedload of hp in 6 second cycles

"You were healed by xxx the Paladin for 64 HP"

\o/

 

[old.Hendrick]

My favorite is the one with merc being better than any mid tank

It's true

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Veralith smashes most any Mid tank easily enough

 

[old.Bull]

Originally posted by klavrynd
The hunter has studded armor and evade 2

Huh?

Evade 2 for hunters aint here yet but will be in a later patch afaik