Mids and buffbots...

[blaien Kayy]

Fair enough if you go out of range your going to loose your buffs.

But if this is going to be the case for the few mins your leaving group drop your buffs down a couple of potions and bobs your uncle.
That gives you 10 mins to return to group and get rebuffed,not ideal but gives you a fighting chance.

 

[scarffs]

Sounds idiotic to me ...

 

[old.Patrick-S]

dont see whats wrong with not being buffed when your not with your group so some archer jumps you? kill him or die ffs if your too scared to go scout then play a tank and sure it's annoying that you get killed by people with buffbots doesnt mean you should make one imo then others will die to you and do the same i personally would rather set an example and if im reduced to using a buffbot i hope someone hacks my account as i really don't ever want to be reduced to having to pay to be good and personally i think i can name 3 hibs that use a buffbot regulaly and no im not saying i hate all buff bot users i just think its a selfish thing to do personally

 

[hrodelbert]

10 mins duration insta buffs

 

[Lanfaer]

Originally posted by Aravis
If he's scouting ahead then he won't be using the buffs, they don't make stealth any more effective, just combat...

Well you got a point there, but it's still unfair that they loose all the good stuff if they're out on patrol. What if they're uncovered whilst lurking about, then those conbuffs are sometimes all thats between life and an extremely bloody and sticky death for those weewee archers

But ranged buffs are prolly the best answer to take on the buffbot-menace and alchemy buff-potions will come more and more in use, getting them crafters some xtra gold for their hardearned craftingskills

 

[PadreMM]

I agree that the best solution that seems possible are range determined buffs. Better for all players in order to combat Buff bots.... problem is that GOA/Mythic will probably loose a few subscriptions and will thus not be very keen on the idea. Even though it would most likely improve the game for most (but make it less attractive for those depending on a buffbot for their pleasure) the loss of money flow will weigh more for the game company.

Alchemy is realy cool in the sence that now it's more a matter of how much money you can spend on potions in order to defeat buff bot users.

So, no matter how much we would like to see this happen, I don't think it ever will.

 

[Farnis]

Dont know how easy it would be to implement but it seems fairly obvious that the best way to implement ranged buffs would be to also implement an out of range time also.

Eg - you have 5 minutes out of range before your buffs cancel.

That way your scouting party can still run arounds and the group has 5 minutes to catch him up. If he then comes back into buff range then the timer is reset.

Its Just an idea....

Buff bots are cack - and they need to be squeezed out of the game - not only for RVR but also for any <insert buff class> that may want to be full aug spec.

 

[Falcon]

Why would I hate to see timed buffs come into play?

Think about it, Mid/Alb keep their buff bots safe in APK/MPK, Hibs would only be able to hold them safely at Ligen. Wouldn't be hard for buff botting Albs/Mids to rebuff at APK/MPK every 10mins, however it'd be impossible for Hibs to head back to Ligen. Same goes for other frontiers and realms, it wouldn't work. Ranged would be an option however, i.e. make buff more like chants, what people said about people scouting getting screwed over by it is true though. Remember the revenue thing too, Mythic would be losing a lot of accounts and "players" (Can you call buff bots players? ) if they prevented them so it's not particularly in their interest too.

Oh and E4, I was only self buffed when we did those tests, that what those pretty little lights and sparkles were every 10mins duh You shoulda come to Hib/Pryd, k9 and m00 play there now, all we'd need then is m00 to buy a house right outside APK when housing comes in and it'd have been like Brit moongate all over again

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Timed buffs are bad news: it can take a long time for classes to buff an entire group and basically would ruin the flow of the game for many. Its annoying enough just for caster classes and hybrids having to rebuff every 10 or 15 minutes, imagine doing it for an entire group if you are a shaman or druid?

Ranged buffs are the only way to do it. However, I'd make it so that the effect of the buff faded gradually the further you got from the 'buffer' but would go back to full strength within a certain radius.

This kind of approach might also help classes who provide their buff with a chant, especially when people lag and lose stick with speed buff classes.

 

[zapzap]

Drop stats buff , that way the different classes would enjoy the extra ponts compared to the race they picked.
Troll would enjoy his extra str luri his extra qui ect.
Give healer shammy ect some more group shout buffs and group buffs on timer.

 

[old.Eynar_Vega]

Originally posted by old.Patrick-S
and personally i think i can name 3 hibs that use a buffbot regulaly and no im not saying i hate all buff bot users i just think its a selfish thing to do personally

Ofcourse not more Hibs have bufff-bots, since a gazillion of classes have buffing capacities anyway

 

[old.Patrick-S]

not 100% sure what u are saying but all i meant was i can only name 3 edlina hadnt noticed any and i was just pointing out that we do have some... also hib gets 1 more than other realms and 2 of them are baseline only... and for people saying not enough shamans etc GO AND MAKE ONE dont make a buffbot they sound like a fun class to play to me dont particulaly want one on excal though if they were in class in hib id make one just get like 31 (3rd best bolt/dd aoe dot ae root etc) cave spec 42 (last end buff and 2nd best stat buffs) aug 13 mending not great heals but thats what healers are for and that gets rid of all the cave only spec shamans i was hearing about but then only played a shaman to 25 so dunno much about the class

 

[Madonion Slicer]

I am sorry but i see everyone on these boards moaning about buffbots, but i have yet to come across a single person who has turned down a full set of buffs from either my Cleric or Shaman even when it is clear that they are a bot.

I am lucky that i got a account for my girlfriend and now she does not play so i kept it going and made life for me a little easier in PVE as i dont RVR much yet.

Came on to Prdy Mid only a week or so ago and with my Berzerker & Shaman combo hit 35 on both with 4 days play.

Buffs and Buffbots are part of the game live with it, having played on both Mid and Alb this is problem on both realms and if the guy that says hib only have 5 bots on there entire player base...wake up

If you pay for a second account you are entitle to do as you please with it, Mythic/Goa will not do anything because why should they the enhance class do exactly what they are designed to do, Buff realm players so no need to change.

About range on buffs well that cant happen, everyday when i pass a player area in Mid i get pm and /yelled for buffs, so the times when i stop buff them and then move on the poor guy i buffed with lose them 5 secs later when i am not in range?

Bots are not new, i know plenty of people with bots and guilds with bots, people will say that they are lame or cack but when it comes down to it those same people with always be yelling for buffs the second they port over and they dont care where they come from.

 

[scarffs]

I agree, let him who turns down buffs from a bot throw the first stone to Mad...
I surely wont

As I stated earlier, you want fair fights but you're never going to get them. Fair = no buffbots for people without buff bots.
Well fair = also no uber items for ppl who dont have those and same with lower levels, realm ranks, etc etc...

 

[old.Eynar_Vega]

Completely agree, and you might even want to include the fact that everyone would have to be playing on exactly the same PC and internet connection etc. to avoid lag issues and stuff. Unless Mythic decides to sell the game as a super-deluxe high end PC with complete broadband set up / Dark Ages of Camelot Game Combo I don't see that happening anytime soon tbh...

 

[Farnis]

Seems to me that the people who are moaning about buff bots are the ones without them, the ones with them are defending them - no biggie. People who have paid for second accounts deserve to play them the way they like - but its still at the disadvantage to all the normal joes who only have 1 pc.

But just for the record - Ive never met a buff bot who is willing to buff at the pk's - you just get ignored...not a moan - just an observation.

I just think that afk play is dodgy..I wouldnt like to guess what percentage of accounts are buff bots, but I reckon its a large chunk of money that GOA are reaping in from these ghost accounts.

Moaning is futile - but id still like to see a solution to the problem that there is an uneven playing field. I like to go into the frontiers solo so I can avoid the mind numbing zerg. Buff bots just make this more perilous.

Buff bots are an arms race....the more there are..the more they generate in order for people to equalise themselves with their oppos from the other realms. Which is a bit cack for everyone else. By all means continue to play them - but youve got to expect the whines.

PS - ive got an ickle buff bot that doesnt come out very often - and id love to get rid of him.

 

[mavericky]

Originally posted by Farnis


But just for the record - Ive never met a buff bot who is willing to buff at the pk's - you just get ignored...not a moan - just an observation.

Usually buffs bots at PK dont look at there screen, if my shammy is playing as a bot (isnt high aug so not playing that well at one) gets pm'd it's ages before I notice as I am busy playing one of my other characters.

I think that mythic didnt realise how popular bots would be in the game and now are unwilling to nerf them as they left it too late and would get to many closed accounts.

It is a shame that nothing will happen as it makes any old gimp be able to beat the perfectly played/spec'd character far to often. Many people I see are now lvling shammys etc for future buff bot use so the situation is only going to get worse.

Also one last thing, think of people who actually want to play a shammy in RvR, (as I still do) how easy is it going to be for them to find groups when they main contribution to the group (there buffs) is nullified by something sitting in a PK.

 

[old.Enigma]

Originally posted by 0pin
Whenever my gf dont play i have a buffbot allso, and it can be compared to assasins loseing IP. No assasin ever really wanted it (well majority anyway) becuase theres so much else funstuff to spec in, but just to be able to compete they choose IP, and now that they know they are gonna lose it, everyone is happy.
And another thing is that people dont just get a buffbot "puff heres a bot mister" it takes just as long time and work getting a "bot" up in level.
When you go solo to the frontier and get jumped by 2 players, most would think ohwell. But when you go solo to the frontier and get attacked by a buffed char (which can be seen as 2 people) most scream OMG NERF!
Where excatly is the big difference between 1 or 2 persons behind the screen ?
And as Falcon said, if i where to tell my GF to run around with my bot and go craft or something while i was rvr'ing people wouldnt see a problem at all...
That said i do hope mythic makes it impossible to own a bot so everyone gets brought down to pair again, but i doubt it.

I dont know if I read this right. Kinda difficult but I dont have an issue with people having 2 chars played by one. The issue is leaving one miles away invulnerable in RvR. Just imagine the fun that could be had. The buffbotter goes looking for his weak prey. The weak prey go looking for the buffbot

 

[old.Enigma]

Originally posted by Madonion Slicer
I Bots are not new, i know plenty of people with bots and guilds with bots, people will say that they are lame or cack but when it comes down to it those same people with always be yelling for buffs the second they port over and they dont care where they come from.

What cack. Your like the guy who goes to alcoholics anonymous and Stands up and said "I havent a problem nor have you"
There is a difference between accepting whats handed out and wanting the things fixed. Its simple anyone with a conscience knows when they accept buffs mostly on v.rare occasions they are effectively cheating. If your mate owns one and you accepting them most of the time you are cheating most of the time. Legal Cheating (I will call it ) is being selfish at someone elses expense.

They could still accept them when they make buffs ranged and like everyone else lose them when the buffbot is killed. I dont actually believe Buffbots accounts will die if they did range the buff. There is plenty of PvE uses. Cash farming, Item farming Char powerlevelling that they will be kept for.

 

[Makwaerk]

What is the difference betwin spending a lot of time of time on making a Boffbot or to farm money for alchemy potions?

 

[mid_Efour]

the current buffbot LvLing in midgard, in spindel, is absolutley horrific. there are at least 5 people in there PL and LvLing with their Buffbots now 5 dont sound alot, and getting a rez from them is nice and sos buffs, but when these guys obliterate entire spawns for LvL35+ groups i think its abit out of order. Sure we cango else where, sure so can you too.


im going to get flamed for this and no one will rezz meee
but u r killing us lowbies

 

[old.mattshanes]

Efour that's just like in barrows in alb heh

 

[Aravis]

Mythic, at some point, will have to address the issue of buffbots. The majority of players can not or will not use buffbots and that alone will force Mythic to do 'something'...

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Originally posted by Aravis
Mythic, at some point, will have to address the issue of buffbots. The majority of players can not or will not use buffbots and that alone will force Mythic to do 'something'...

Bush will also achieve World peace by nuking Saddam into oblivion

 

[Makwaerk]

5 ppl pl there buffbot!! there is not even room for 2.

I sometimes go to spindel to pl someone, but I find I have to do it at 4am, since if spindel is not empty there is not enough spawn for me. It is not a very big dungeon, so evendo spindel is great for pl one really has to respect that other ppl need the mobs down there

 

[old.Eynar_Vega]

Originally posted by - Pathfinder -


Bush will also achieve World peace by nuking Saddam into oblivion

Aye, and DaoC will actually require skills some day in the future...


Oops, maybe overdid this a bit...