Midgard Group Purge RA?

[pudzy]

Being the only realm without it, there was an irc discussion/arguement between alot of mids and ofc Loch and Xorta, who claimed Perfect Res OWNS SoS and BoF..

Midgard: PR = 14 points
Hibernia :GP = 14 points
Albion : SoS = 10 points

Running around in a fg in emain for example, you have 1 healer, if ya lucky, you see hibs healer stops, selects one starts casting.. whack, its a bard, insta ae mez.. 7 luri's climbing around ya ankles and ya know whats coming next, aye, Anihalation, caster stuns, pbaoe and some gimped other hib tanks, anyway mids die.

Running around emain once more fg with same healer, albs! your healer stops to mez, and it hits.. oh wait, SoS. Seconds later all the uberly buffed alb casters Walker/Teoz/Pbuck etc are nuking the crap outa everyone,sometimes mids manage to knock the casters out, but rarely. Without SoS, an amazingly different story would have occured.

I know the albs/hibs are now gona reply to this thread with OH OH AE STUN HEALERS OMG0RZ!.. yes we have AE stun.. 1 class that can stun, 1 class we dont have enough of in rvr, hibs you have a 90% caster population, all with stun, albs just SoS it afaik and with their upcomming huge mincer population its gona end up impossible to CC an alb.

Anyway, if your going to reply to the thread, make it a decent one and BACKUP your reply with examples/evidence. I'm gona refer this post to the VN boards after a couple of days, because I seriousely think midgard needs GP being the only realm without it, and I dont know 1 mid that doesn't agree.. but none wouldn't .

 

[old.Atrox]

cry more n00b!!!
Some1 got PWN3D!!!!

with that said...
according to you, with out SoS mids would own albs anyday, so you lose 1 fight every 30min ?
Sure we got these nifty group RA's, wheres our End regen BUFF ?
or our Instant AECC ?

Meeting a Mid group without SoS/BoF up:
yay great instant mezzed, oh yay aestunned, lets get aedd'd alittle, ahh great stun over, OMG! a giant rat!*wack,wack,wack* dead.

 

[pudzy]

Exactly the type of reply I expected from you.

Your examples and evidence arent there... and 1 every 30mins? please! your gona have about 40 mincers next patch. Whats insta ae cc gona do when u can group purge it? Also end regen = BUFF not an RA.. if you wana whine about that, then make a BUFF thread, fyi, try reading 1.59 - 1.60 patch notes, I'd say albs can stop whining for eternity.

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by pudzy
Exactly the type of reply I expected from you.

Your examples and evidence arent there... and 1 every 30mins? please! your gona have about 40 mincers next patch. Whats insta ae cc gona do when u can group purge it? Also end regen = BUFF not an RA.. if you wana whine about that, then make a BUFF thread.

Well, RA's are there to help out vs Skills, apperantly mids dont need any group anyCC ( might have to do with haveing 3 diffrent instant AE cc )

fyi, try reading 1.59 - 1.60 patch notes, I'd say albs can stop whining for eternity.

FYI try reading up on BD's, mids can stop whining about overpowerd classes for eternity

 

[old.Atrox]

Being the only realm without it, there was an irc discussion/arguement between alot of mids and ofc Loch and Xorta, who claimed Perfect Res OWNS SoS and BoF..

I never claimed that PR owned SoS/BoF, just that it's not as crap as mids want it to be.

 

[Jenna.]

it's crap if you compare it to SoS/BoF/GP tho

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by Jenna.
it's crap if you compare it to SoS/BoF/GP tho

Well, give us the abilities you have around the clock, and I'll vote for you to get our 30min timer goodies.

 

[pudzy]

No offence Xorta, stop spamming, none of your last posts hold any kind of examples or evidence, your just going on your own opinion, which is fine, BACK IT UP.

 

[case-rigantis]

SOS isn`t group purge

it means we can run away it does not remove any negative effects and we are unable to attack

so we get to run away for 30 seconds then run back and get insta mezzed again

give mids group purge? don`t think so alb is already the most underpowered when it comes to crowd control

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by pudzy
No offence Xorta, stop spamming, none of your last posts hold any kind of examples or evidence, your just going on your own opinion, which is fine, BACK IT UP.

No offence Pudz, but mids dont need GP, mids got 3 diffent aecc.
if you cant keep albs CC'd then Im afraid you need to look over your tactics.
You got 3 instant aecc ( 1 RA omg can it be mids got a useful ra ? )
We are mostly only 1 minstrel per group, so no multible SoS.
Start to look at the whole picture, not only the parts that doesnt please your eyes.

 

[stafford]

well lets not focus on just those RAs

BoF and SoS the only 2 unique RAs that are actually any fucking good in alb

what do i get as a friar 30 seconds where i automatically counter attack any succesful melee hit on me
thats if my 50% chance to evade doesnt catch it first
or my 30% chance to parry catches it after
it doesnt stop me being mezzed
it doesnt stop some overpowered powerlvled chanter from nuking me for 900 dmg

hmm lets see, theurgists they get a bolt they can cast every 5 minutes sounds "ubah" already, until you read it can only be cast on sodding keep doors and it does around 50 dmg (2 staff styles)

Cabalists get juggernaut, oh cool a huge pet thats the same lvl as me for 4 minutes and insta cast !!! excellent !!!
by the time youve buffed it up its got 3 mins left
and if you summon it in combat it may aswell hold a sign saying "alb casters here,spam your 1 button on us you shitty bards"


most of our realm abilities are utter shite in comparison to the mids/hibs

i mean BaoD cmon ffs !
PR can swing a 1fg vs 1fg fight
all SoS does is let us die further away from where we got mezzed

hope my points where valid enough for you pudz

 

[old.windforce]

i think SoS is pretty good but it is not group purge
after SoS is finished you return to your rooted / mezzed / snared state. If you got nasty debuff it is still on you

Druids(?) have group purge, no alb (or mid) class has that
Bards have insta win button (ranged insta mez, which is on a BLOODY different timer then their normal 1 minute+ mez)

Albs have 2 good RAs, mids have left axe and aoe stun, hibs have insta win button and lurikeen heros

btw SoS is no good without purge, thats a 20 points investment for 30 secs of cheer joy

 

[Sagba]

Bunker of Faith:

30 seconds of 50% bonus to group's melee absorption, which means your group will be able to absorb much more damage than normal.

It's great

Group Purge:

All negative effects (DOTs, poisons, mesmerization, stun, rez sickness, etc.) are purged from all group members.

It's great

Speed of Sound:

Your group moves at twice normal speed for 30 seconds. This ability will not break in combat. This ability also bypasses the movement penalties from mesmerize, root/snare, and stun, although other effects such as inability to attack will remain.

It's great

Perfect Recovery:

After death, you will resurrect with full hitpoints and power and no resurrection side-effects.

Sounds kinda crap


Anyway, like Xorta said, Mids have 3 different AE CCs. GOA dont have own patches, we play the same game as Yanks and it's Mythic who decides which class needs "fixing", better RAs etc and I dont think Euro players are the ones Mythic listen. If there isn't enough Healers in Mid/Prydwen, well, you can only blame yourself and your realm mates I dont think Alb/Prydwen have enough Ice Wizzies, so I made one

 

[Xtro]

Pudz old friend, I keep telling you this m8 - its a game, nothing more, nothing less...and arguing over it, especially with people you've never met...is a waste of energy.

Have a beer, but your feet up, relax...and play

 

[Teh Krypt]

Don't tell Xorta not to post because he has a different opinion then you, Pudz.

 

[Teh Krypt]

Don't tell Xorta not to post because he has a different opinion then you, Pudz.

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by Teh Krypt
Don't tell Xorta not to post because he has a different opinion then you, Pudz.

agree, I would never get to post anythign then
I never agree with anyone....
tbh this world would suck if we all agreed with eachother

anyway! Skalds RA = Uber Group RA

 

[Zerg-Proof]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
agree, I would never get to post anythign then
I never agree with anyone....
tbh this world would suck if we all agreed with eachother

anyway! Skalds RA = Uber Group RA

LMAO, I won't even bother to reply to that in words...

 

[Jenna.]

Originally posted by stafford
well lets not focus on just those RAs

most of our realm abilities are utter shite in comparison to the mids/hibs

o I c, maybe you can explain further what you mean with mid > alb RA's

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
anyway! Skalds RA = Uber Group RA

Ohhh so thats why every skald got it? /looks around /yells ANY SKALD THAT HAS THIS RA??????

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by Fafnir
Ohhh so thats why every skald got it? /looks around /yells ANY SKALD THAT HAS THIS RA??????

They wont admit that they use it, it's so uber and they dont want it to get nerfed!

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
They wont admit that they use it, it's so uber and they dont want it to get nerfed!

Fury of the Gods Active 30 min. 14 0 0 0 0 N/A N/A A group damage-add spell that lasts for 30 seconds and stacks on top of other damage-add effects. This ability is percent-based, so its damage goes up with the user's level. Does not stack with Triple Wield or Rain of Fire/Ice/Annihilation.

Guess its this you are talking about, its almost as uber as the thane RA.

 

[Aoln]

Teh Krypt is such an obvious post farmer, he always double posts

 

[Zerg-Proof]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
Well, RA's are there to help out vs Skills, apperantly mids dont need any group anyCC ( might have to do with haveing 3 diffrent instant AE cc )

FYI try reading up on BD's, mids can stop whining about overpowerd classes for eternity

Uhm, 3 different insta ae cc...there's ae mezz & ae stun from healers, what's the 3rd ae cc then? Not to mention the fact all these insta's are on a 10 min timer. Apart from that, the secondary cc'er in Midgard isn't a popular class, and especially not the spec line with the ae cc.

Mid ae cc:
healer ae mezz (+insta ae mezz on 10 min timer)
spiritmaster ae mezz or pbae mezz
shaman ae root
healer ae stun (+ insta ae stun on timer) funny how people always whining about healer ae stun, while it isn't common to actually gain an advantage of it due to lack of ae dmg dealers in Mid

Alb ae cc:
sorceror ae mezz (+ qc every 30 sec) or
sorceror ae root
minstrel ae mezz
cleric pbae mezz (insta)
theurgist ae root or (+qc)
theurgist ae mezz
wizard ae root (+qc)

Not saying this or that is better, but you guys got lots of options to get some cc in a group if you ask me..

 

[klavrynd]

mid = teh gimp , classwise and ra-wise , period

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by klavrynd
mid = teh gimp , classwise and ra-wise , period

and you are the most retarded player in that realm

 

[klavrynd]

so much anger...


did mommy forget to put you on the poo poo potty and did you soil your trousie wousies?

 

[Jenna.]

Originally posted by klavrynd
so much anger...


did mommy forget to put you on the poo poo potty and did you soil your trousie wousies?

or mebbe his brother used to hit him with a spoon in the head...

 

[Balbor]

ok what you have to understand is that having more classses doesn't mean more people with that abilitie, infact it means less. its like this, Albs have 4 casters that need to do the job of your 2 for example.
Also the package you get for some classes vs there counterparts in other realms is sometimes better.
Alb Clerics can heal, buff and smite (though at pour range and cast time atm), Healers can Heal, Buff, add speed and great CC (doing the main job of Albs clerics and sorceres in one). Shamen can Heal, Buff, effective DD/bolt and effective root. I think the Mids win that one there. So what about if the cleric is a Smiter? Smite Clerics are also similar to Thanes as they are there realms secondary AOE nukers. Thanes can easy take there Stormcalling skill to 50, while clerics useally opt for the 43/23/21 L50 plan, otherwize we miss out on the 2nd free instent heal. Thats gives us a free heal amount of 110% HP level. Thanes can get Ignore Pain witch is a full heal during combat. Sure we have a stun, but that has a shorter range than there DD's and even if we are within range they have instent ranged DD to interupt it.

With the next patch class's that are now too good will hopfully be nerfed and nerfed character will get better. Trying to even the realms out is gonna be tought, everyone will feel hard done by at some point.

Only way to fix it is to do away with the class idea, roll a character and pics 2 base lines, and at level 5 pics another unique one. or one base line and a combo of weapon and armour spec, oops sounds rubish doesn't it?

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by Zerg-Proof
Uhm, 3 different insta ae cc...there's ae mezz & ae stun from healers, what's the 3rd ae cc then? Not to mention the fact all these insta's are on a 10 min timer. Apart from that, the secondary cc'er in Midgard isn't a popular class, and especially not the spec line with the ae cc.

Mid ae cc:
healer ae mezz (+insta ae mezz on 10 min timer)
spiritmaster ae mezz or pbae mezz
shaman ae root
healer ae stun (+ insta ae stun on timer) funny how people always whining about healer ae stun, while it isn't common to actually gain an advantage of it due to lack of ae dmg dealers in Mid

Alb ae cc:
sorceror ae mezz (+ qc every 30 sec) or
sorceror ae root
minstrel ae mezz
cleric pbae mezz (insta)
theurgist ae root or (+qc)
theurgist ae mezz
wizard ae root (+qc)

Not saying this or that is better, but you guys got lots of options to get some cc in a group if you ask me..

well, I meant Instant aecc ( healer ) Instant aestun ( healer ) Instant aeroot ( Shaman )

and secondary CC are not good, with resists etc they rarely last for more then a few seconds.
Mid got lots of aedmg dealers, every Runie got aedmg and most of the SM's got PBaoe.