Melee Chars: Do You think..

[[HB]Jpeg]

You could beat my minstrel if I used ALL my toys,

Wargard/Battler/som up/wh up/5% cl melee sists/ablative double taps/ip2/purge2/sos to heal or mez w/e/Malice debuff/cl harp resist pierce buff/Warlord 10% heal. + heal pots/end pots..

Try to not flame me if possible this is NOT an e-peen contest, but really head to head, do you think if I dumped everything I had your class would win..or do you think minstrels are invincible when dumping?

You talking unbuffed ? self buffed ?

if unbuffed same rr friar with all his toys up IMO would eat a unbuffed mincer for breakfast and i wouldnt be suprised if won also if both bb buffed.. Id imagine a warden would also... and IMO a shamen would pwn u also (if u wanan call a shammy a melee class seeing as it aint a caster)

 

[Congax]

You talking unbuffed ? self buffed ?

if unbuffed same rr friar with all his toys up IMO would eat a unbuffed mincer for breakfast and i wouldnt be suprised if won also if both bb buffed.. Id imagine a warden would also... and IMO a shamen would pwn u also (if u wanan call a shammy a melee class seeing as it aint a caster)

Doubt a shammy can beat a skilled minstrel tho. Mincer has CC for when Shammy is sprinting away and can just sos/speed up to catch him anyway.

 

[Golena]

Doubt a shammy can beat a skilled minstrel tho. Mincer has CC for when Shammy is sprinting away and can just sos/speed up to catch him anyway.

You can SoS once in the fight, that will get you one hit.
You can use speed 6, that will get you another hit every time you catch them.

Since both break the second you hit the shaman, and the shaman will outrun you given he has perma sprint and your diseased, the shaman if played properly should win everytime.

He might not kill you, but he certainly shouldn't be killed by you.

 

[pikeh]

i beat gamah when i was 40 on my cleric.

 

[Lethul]

after playing quite alot of solo savage today, i think i can beat you if im lucky with ze quads

 

[Congax]

You can SoS once in the fight, that will get you one hit.
You can use speed 6, that will get you another hit every time you catch them.

Since both break the second you hit the shaman, and the shaman will outrun you given he has perma sprint and your diseased, the shaman if played properly should win everytime.

He might not kill you, but he certainly shouldn't be killed by you.

Can stun, kill abit then, shammy runs of..disease and does his thingies, sos, hit him again for a bit, shammy runs of again..mezz. Wait till stun immu is over, stun again and kill for abit. Shammy should be nearly dead by then imo

 

[Wazowski]

Gamah, let me fight u when i get my computer back... might be even... i dunno Tho i will have it much easier when 1.84 comes

 

[Puppet]

Can stun, kill abit then, shammy runs of..disease and does his thingies, sos, hit him again for a bit, shammy runs of again..mezz. Wait till stun immu is over, stun again and kill for abit. Shammy should be nearly dead by then imo

More like shammy diseases, shammy runs.. shammy roots.. shammy heals himselves up to 100%.... shammy DoT's bolts and DD's shammy runs.. shammy runs... shammy DoT again... shammy run etc...

 

[Gamah]

Not died to a shaman ever, play it wise and you can keep them interupted.

 

[xanir]

minc will almost always beat a shaman, as you can run along behind it spamming flute mez for interrupts :|

 

[Bugz]

If I wasn't a gimp who charged headfirst into every battle -> id have a good chance - assuming no ip2.

 

[censi]

no way in hell you can win that fight as a ranger (some idiot said summin about a ranger would beat a mincer with all that shit up).

No fucking way. I mean with warguard and battler and WH running your looking at hitting for around 40 damage. Then take into account the ablative and the som proc. Lots of swings gonna be doing nothing.

you basically have no way to damage the mincer as a ranger. Sure you can assume you got SOM and WH and battler too, but basically the mincer will chip you down with the DD's and their aint nothing u can do to stop that.

I think a mincer with ALL his tools up could possibly be one of the hardest things to kill because he still has all his kite options as well....

 

[Void959]

Fights against decent kite shammys were some of the most fun I had with my minstrel, there's so many different tactics and toys for both players to use. I can't say which way it would go if both had all timers up, but if the shammy mocs and manages to shear the minstrel of everything I think he has the better chance.

 

[censi]

yer such fun fighting a moc shammy!

OOOO there goes me str/con hahaha leet

oooo00 there goes me d/q hahahaha awsome this guy rocks.

etc etc etc

Kite shammies are played by griefers tbh.

 

[Void959]

I was talking from a minstrel POV, where it's easy to counter ofc.

 

[Mirt]

Thing is tho, once warguard / battler is down minsterals are teh squishy (at least from ve vamp PoV), and if my rr5 is up they're squishy no matter what they do.

 

[censi]

yer, I guess like from a mincers POV when summin tries to kite you, you have like so many options to fuck him over.

from a ranger POV kite shammies are a pain in the ass. specially when the bastereds moc and sheer and just run off.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

yer, I guess like from a mincers POV when summin tries to kite you, you have like so many options to fuck him over.

from a ranger POV kite shammies are a pain in the ass. specially when the bastereds moc and sheer and just run off.

Main problem with the class is the timer dependency - my sig says it all really. Wouldnt be quite so bad if we got some defence against assassins but usually the first warning i get unless SL is up (1 minute out of 20 anyone?) is a PA chain in me spine.

With everything up - yes we're disgustingly hard to kill in melee - I've gone toe-toe with a RR9 Hib Spearo before and walked away without IP'ing. With everything down we can be killed easily. What i wouldnt mind seeing is the ability with ALL classes to spec in a new RA that reduces ALL ML/RA/Artifact timers slightly (say 10% timer reduction per level, each level costing 10 RA points?). (E.g sos would take 7 mins and xxx seconds to recharge instead of 10 mins at L3 in the RA). Also that way people would have a choice between speccing large amounts of actives, or 1-2 actives with frequent use.

Would perhaps bring the timers more into line with the pace of modern rvr, and improve the timer-dependent classes such as melee rangers and minstrels a bit more.

 

[Kaun_IA]

You could beat my minstrel if I used ALL my toys,

Wargard/Battler/som up/wh up/5% cl melee sists/ablative double taps/ip2/purge2/sos to heal or mez w/e/Malice debuff/cl harp resist pierce buff/Warlord 10% heal. + heal pots/end pots..

Try to not flame me if possible this is NOT an e-peen contest, but really head to head, do you think if I dumped everything I had your class would win..or do you think minstrels are invincible when dumping?

id say 90% you would win, if im lucky whit my toys i might have a chance

 

[Tilda]

imo a reaver could take you if he's allowed to use RAs etc.
either slam, twf, bomb and then lifetap back health, or twf, grapple, power tap etc.
Reavers two lifetap shouts, lifetap procs, dot + heal procs/ablatives in addition to style procs bypassing your ablative gives them the edge imo.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Could kill you easily with a Tic or a Armsman.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

imo a reaver could take you if he's allowed to use RAs etc.
either slam, twf, bomb and then lifetap back health, or twf, grapple, power tap etc.
Reavers two lifetap shouts, lifetap procs, dot + heal procs/ablatives in addition to style procs bypassing your ablative gives them the edge imo.

Grapple -> then u get mezzed... and the mincer run out of the TWF and heal song up again.

Slam, bomb -> Purge, stun run out of TWF....maybe sos out Mez, heal song up again or IP and fight.

reavers rely too much on slam and levi to fight a mincer and win, and if u bomb then u will only get HP back from 1 enemy with SQ so ML8 would be suiside tbh

 

[Bahumat]

Grapple -> then u get mezzed... and the mincer run out of the TWF and heal song up again.

how can you mezz if twf is hitting you???

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

how can you mezz if twf is hitting you???

cuz twf tick every ½ sec for a million dmg.... or was it every 5 sec ? ;P

if u have half a brain then u will be able to time mezz so u don't get interupted

 

[Rub]

Rub his epeen more

less bad usage of my name

 

[Bahumat]

cuz twf tick every ½ sec for a million dmg.... or was it every 5 sec ? ;P

if u have half a brain then u will be able to time mezz so u don't get interupted

there is also a nice reaver dot on you

 

[CstasY]

there is also a nice reaver dot on you

Aye, fear the 10 damage dot!