Maybe I'm wrong

[Sparx]

Perhaps I'm wrong but was talking to someone at work about Gary Glitter.

I thought surely because he had a UK passport he would be allowed to enter any country in Europe. I thought the whole point was to drop borders and allow people with European passports entry to any country. one of the reasons we cant stop Poles coming into the UK

Someone correct me

 

[old.Tohtori]

Countries can block him out ofcourse, but should be able to travel as he wishes.

As far as i know, kiddie fiddling isn't a "home arrest" crime. And not to mention, he did his time. People seem to forget it when they see crimes they don't like.

If i said "no, lock that pursesnatcher away in his home and never let him leave!" after doing hard time in a very dubvious country, people would think it's harsh.

 

[Dark Orb Choir]

he can be told to go away as he can be considered persona non grata by any country, same thing will happen to people like mugabe when they get kicked out.

on one hand he has served his time and is a free man but on the other hes going tro do it again so no country in their right minds will allow him in, unless he comes back to the UK, but he doesnt want to do that because they will make him a scapegoat and basically put him under house arrest for the rest of his life....

 

[old.Tohtori]

but on the other hes going tro do it again

Might ofcourse, not going.

that's the point of jail i believe, to teach a lesson. We have to trust that the system works, as such, or change the whole punishing laws.

 

[Laddey]

I heard, might sound daft but 'gangsters' are gonna get him and castrate him and shit like that

 

[old.Tohtori]

I heard(thought), might sound daft but 'gangsters'(me and matez!) are gonna get him(throw a sodapop at him) and castrate him(run) and shit like that(our pants)

Fixed it for ya

 

[Laddey]

Fixed it for ya

hah burned

 

[Aoami]

i heard a rumour that your bum is next on his list laddey

 

[Himse]

rofl

he only doesnt wanna come back to the uk cos we have the strictest laws on pedophiles.

personally the man makes me sick.

no shame in doing it, laughing and joking about it.

should be shot imo.

 

[BobbyJewells]

Countries can block him out ofcourse, but should be able to travel as he wishes.

As far as i know, kiddie fiddling isn't a "home arrest" crime. And not to mention, he did his time. People seem to forget it when they see crimes they don't like.

If i said "no, lock that pursesnatcher away in his home and never let him leave!" after doing hard time in a very dubvious country, people would think it's harsh.

But pedophiles don't deserve a 2nd chance.

 

[Sparx]

See thats my point too Toh, technically he has done his time for his crime. We can all assume he is going to do it again, but until he does we cant punish him before he does it. Its not minority report

 

[BobbyJewells]

See thats my point too Toh, technically he has done his time for his crime. We can all assume he is going to do it again, but until he does we cant punish him before he does it. Its not minority report

Here here =). On a lighter note if given the option how should gary glitter be exterminated given the oppertunity?

 

[Iceforge]

About the main question, Sparx, while we got open borders, border control is still in effect in Europe, which means you got to have your passport on you at all times when outside your own country. And people can still be prohibited entry into specific countries; It is not like the countries has merged into 1 nation, but rather made travel between our nations easier with more open borders.

 

[old.Tohtori]

But pedophiles don't deserve a 2nd chance.

Murderers do, bank robbers do, every freakin person in jail(if not serving life) do, even life serving get second chances at times.

See thats my point too Toh, technically he has done his time for his crime. We can all assume he is going to do it again, but until he does we cant punish him before he does it. Its not minority report

That's what i meant, we have to assume he doesn't as he's done the "correctional time" for it, like rest of the criminals.

Either change the law to insta-kill pedophiles, or use same judging on all crimes.(regarding second chances)

 

[BobbyJewells]

Murderers do, bank robbers do, every freakin person in jail(if not serving life) do, even life serving get second chances at times.

Theres a difference, Children do not have a voice in law, they cannot defend themselfs emotionally or physically. Thats why these sexual predators prey on them. In my opinion if your going to break a law like that then you do not deserve the right to pro-create. therefore, castration.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Theres a difference, Children do not have a voice in law, they cannot defend themselfs emotionally or physically. Thats why these sexual predators prey on them. In my opinion if your going to break a law like that then you do not deserve the right to pro-create. therefore, castration.

Well, that's semantics then. Let's not get into the "age doesn't matter" as people would only think i'm arguing for some bullsh*t reason.

When i'm not.

Just looking for equal judging.

But, if you don't want them to procreate, tubular tying would be the way then.

Though, i'd have to argue that it's not in their genes to do this. If it was, then future children could be a problem, but if it was, at same time it's not "their fault".

And no i'm not saying kiddiefiddling is ok(though that part of the world it's quite common), or that he didn't do anything, or that he's a "good guy like the rest". Just that he's a criminal like the rest of criminals.

 

[Sparx]

For once i totally agree 100% with Toh

 

[BobbyJewells]

Well, that's semantics then. Let's not get into the "age doesn't matter" as people would only think i'm arguing for some bullsh*t reason.

When i'm not.

Just looking for equal judging.

But, if you don't want them to procreate, tubular tying would be the way then.

Though, i'd have to argue that it's not in their genes to do this. If it was, then future children could be a problem, but if it was, at same time it's not "their fault".

And no i'm not saying kiddiefiddling is ok(though that part of the world it's quite common), or that he didn't do anything, or that he's a "good guy like the rest". Just that he's a criminal like the rest of criminals.

I'm not saying that you are in defence of him, its a simple matter of Law Vs Emotion. So far everybody is voicing there opinions more-so to do with emotions where as you are voicing the law scenario.

Tbh the fact that pedophilia is not a genetic disorder is worse because that means he/she has made a choice to abuse a child. You could call it semantics but either ways its just dead wrong and the punishments for it are not harsh enough.

 

[Sparx]

punishments for it are not harsh enough.

Maybe they are not but as it stands he has served the decided time and i dont see how he should be punished again for the same crime

Btw i also think he should have his balls chopped off, but until the law changes to make that his punishment i think its unfair

 

[BobbyJewells]

Maybe they are not but as it stands he has served the decided time and i dont see how he should be punished again for the same crime

Btw i also think he should have his balls chopped off, but until the law changes to make that his punishment i think its unfair

In simplar words ... yeah, exactly XD.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm not saying that you are in defence of him, its a simple matter of Law Vs Emotion. So far everybody is voicing there opinions more-so to do with emotions where as you are voicing the law scenario.

Tbh the fact that pedophilia is not a genetic disorder is worse because that means he/she has made a choice to abuse a child. You could call it semantics but either ways its just dead wrong and the punishments for it are not harsh enough.

Aye, the emotional(usual people reaction) is that, but it doesn't make it right. From a, non-biased point of view if you will.

Example; i get burgled, i want the f*ckers hanged and burned at the pyre.

Would you think it's appropriate for all break&entry felons to be hanged and burned at the pyre?

Just to give my view a bit of a clearer side.

 

[BobbyJewells]

Aye, the emotional(usual people reaction) is that, but it doesn't make it right. From a, non-biased point of view if you will.

Example; i get burgled, i want the f*ckers hanged and burned at the pyre.

Would you think it's appropriate for all break&entry felons to be hanged and burned at the pyre?

Just to give my view a bit of a clearer side.

Concur's, But my only arguement is a lot of crimes nowaday tend to either get dismissed or given the minimal sentence.

When gary comes back to this country two things will happen:

1: sign sex offenders register
2: Government put him into a housing establishment most probably near a school

Now tell me if you think thats fair?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Concur's, But my only arguement is a lot of crimes nowaday tend to either get dismissed or given the minimal sentence.

When gary comes back to this country two things will happen:

1: sign sex offenders register
2: Government put him into a housing establishment most probably near a school

Now tell me if you think thats fair?

I'll give my opinion on that scenario if it happens. Otherwise it's speculation with a hint of "overkill".

If they did put him near a school, then it would be "interesting" approach by the government, but i wouldn't assume he's gonna go kiddiehunting.

 

[Overdriven]

A child is a tragedy.
An adult is a statistic.

My 2 cents.

 

[BobbyJewells]

I'll give my opinion on that scenario if it happens. Otherwise it's speculation with a hint of "overkill".

If they did put him near a school, then it would be "interesting" approach by the government, but i wouldn't assume he's gonna go kiddiehunting.

Advantage of the oppertune moment, either way he'll do it again but as usual we'll have to trust the law system to make a decision.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Aye, i'm not saying he'll do it, it's a chance, but nothing is certain. I'll cross that bridge when i get there, until then, he's like any other with a dark dark past.

 

[BobbyJewells]

Concurs, thread dies, back to boobs.

 

[Huntingtons]

some paedophiles hates themselves for it but you act on instincts some times (ie. Hornyness). its kinda like fucking a girl you didnt wanna fuck, execpt this girl is a little boy who doesnt wanna fuck you probably. or maybe he would - who knows.

 

[Overdriven]

BBC Update: He lands at 9am at heathrow tomorrow, to be met by the Met and them given a place to live in the UK (probably London) of his choice.

 

[pikeh]

BBC Update: He lands at 9am at heathrow tomorrow, to be met by the Met and them given a place to live in the UK (probably London) of his choice.

next to a primary school probably.