Maybe I'm wrong

[Overdriven]

So..

Laddey: Reece
Me: Jason

What about the rest of you!

 

[Laddey]

So..

Laddey: Reece
Me: Jason

What about the rest of you!

Somebody will come into this thread, now or later saying we have chav names

 

[Aoami]

Since when was Jason a chav name?

 

[Laddey]

Since when was Jason a chav name?

Since when was Reece?! Reece isn't a very common name tbh.

atleast we know Gareth isn't, sounds look a faggots name

 

[Huntingtons]

it does. Søren However, sounds pimpin'

 

[georgie]

atleast we know Gareth isn't, sounds look a faggots name

*cough*

 

[Laddey]

*cough*

Ah shit sorry man, didn't realise you where a faggot

 

[georgie]

My own fault for being Welsh...

 

[Billargh]

Concur's, But my only arguement is a lot of crimes nowaday tend to either get dismissed or given the minimal sentence.

When gary comes back to this country two things will happen:

1: sign sex offenders register
2: Government put him into a housing establishment most probably near a school

Now tell me if you think thats fair?

What makes you think he's going to be stuck right near a school? If anything I'd imagine him getting stuck right out the way cause there's bound to be shit loads of people wanting to smash his face in/put a brick through his window.

 

[Lamp]

No one likes kiddie fiddlers. No matter how much jail time they do, for them, its inbuilt into their genes. You can't stop their impulses. They will always be a danger to children as long as they live. So what are your choices ? There's only so many planes and airports they can ferry between. At some point some time, wherever they end up they'll be a threat.

 

[Huntingtons]

show some kind, just a tiny bit of scientific proof of that.

 

[Raven]

Let him look after your kids then.

 

[old.Tohtori]

No one likes kiddie fiddlers. No matter how much jail time they do, for them, its inbuilt into their genes. You can't stop their impulses. They will always be a danger to children as long as they live. So what are your choices ? There's only so many planes and airports they can ferry between. At some point some time, wherever they end up they'll be a threat.

If it's in their genes, they can't help it, they shouldn't be punished for it. That'd be like putting a "slow kid" into jail for putting a candy bar in his pocket.

Right?

Unless it's their choice to kiddiefiddle, in which case, it's not compulsory action and time served is time served. Maybe he learned?

 

[Jeremiah]

I reckon they should hide him where no one ever looks. Celebrity Big Brother for example.

 

[pikeh]

I reckon they should hide him where no one ever looks. Celebrity Big Brother for example.

the sick thing is, he blatantly will be on that show at some point.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I reckon they should hide him where no one ever looks. Celebrity Big Brother for example.

the sick thing is, he blatantly will be on that show at some point.

No no! The FUNNY thing is that people won't vote him out as they want to keep him where they can see him :lol:

 

[russell]

It is common knowledge that Pedophiles reoffend. All studies show that it is a strong innate urge that they cannot overcome. As a parent, this is the bit that terrifies me. They do not 'reform'.

Cognitive therapy can help to delay it -but they still re offend. Drugs can stop their sex drive and effectively 'chemically castrate' them, but eventually they still re offend.

I saw a horrible program once where a man was full of regreat and self loathing and was literally begging to be allowed to commit suicide as he was a serial offender, who had tried everything, but just could not stop.

Imo only the removal of all the physical bits and sex drive would put a stop to it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It is common knowledge that Pedophiles reoffend. All studies show that it is a strong innate urge that they cannot overcome. As a parent, this is the bit that terrifies me. They do not 'reform'.

Imo only the removal of all the physical bits and sex drive would put a stop to it.

Removing things wouldn't, many sex offenders want to "please" the young'uns. Many do other things for their pleasure.

Without killing them, you can't be 100% sure they won't do something. You can't be 100% sure they WILL re-offend either.

Because, sex offenders do it again(maybe), bank robbers do it again(maybe), car stealers do it again(maybe). It's all MAYBE. Are you, personally, willing to judge people to death on a "maybe"?

 

[Huntingtons]

and i still see no proof for any of the claims

 

[Sparx]

Glad your here toh. Thought i was alone

 

[Lamp]

If it's in their genes, they can't help it, they shouldn't be punished for it. That'd be like putting a "slow kid" into jail for putting a candy bar in his pocket.

Right?

No

Just because its in your genes doesn't make what you do excusable.

He's not being punished because his genes are coded pro-kiddie sex. He's being punished for acting them out - having sex with a child - which is ILLEGAL.

You are confusing two very different things.

 

[Iceforge]

People not providing evidence for it being in the genes, because it is not in the genes.

It is a mental dissorder and can be effectively threated if the subject is willing.

It is political correctness run amok that makes people think sexuality is something you are actually born with in your genes; your sexual drive might be natural, i.e. the passion for replicating(or atleast having sex), but the sexual lust (i.e. who/what turns you on) is not naturally coded into you; You aren't born prefering blondes over brunettes, or your own sex opposed to the opposit, or children opposed to adults.
Thats not saying that people into the same sex have a mental dissorder, before anyone goes there; Or well, they actually do, but we all have "mental dissorders" like that; Just ask yourself if you prefer a blonde, brunette or redhead? Same thing, in principle.

It lies deep and quite hard to work at, so going to take a long time for a willing subject to get rid of that sexual perversion, and they got to be willing, because you can't really reach such goal through psychiatry(sp?) without the person coorperating.

Oh, and that is if the sex offender is indeed a pedophile, most charged and convicted of child molestation is actually not pedophiles, but rather people with other sick perversions whose victims happened to be (or has to be for it to be possible) a child.

 

[old.Tohtori]

No

Just because its in your genes doesn't make what you do excusable.

He's not being punished because his genes are coded pro-kiddie sex. He's being punished for acting them out - having sex with a child - which is ILLEGAL.

You are confusing two very different things.

I'm not, i offered the other example, someone with a genetic disorder is "slow" and steals a candybar, but doesn't get put in jail 'cause he "didn't know better".

By logic, it's the same thing.

 

[Iceforge]

I'm not, i offered the other example, someone with a genetic disorder is "slow" and steals a candybar, but doesn't get put in jail 'cause he "didn't know better".

By logic, it's the same thing.

Nope, because there was no personal harm in the example of stealing a candybar, there is materiel damage (not sure thats correct english term), as only property was taken.

If someone is mentally slow (genetic disorder or whatnot) and hurts another person, he will still be punished, even through he did not know any better; His sentence might be lowered for it, but still.

whatever is wrong with you cannot get you out of crimes in which another person is hurt, and should not.

 

[Binky the Bomb]

When it comes to sexual offenders of any description, the causes have deep physiological roots, very hard to get rid of or control. The only real way to stop them is termination, make sure they never re-offend. Of course, you have people who say 'What about their rights?'.

Well if you have to keep the buggers alive, but want to make sure they don't re-offend, then we turn to lobotomy as our solution outside of 'lifetime imprisonment'. Carve up the brain, and cut the evil sadistic fucker personality apart, leave nothing behind except a vegetable that can clean a toilet without supervision.

But I'm sure you've all got other idea's.

 

[Huntingtons]

People not providing evidence for it being in the genes, because it is not in the genes.

It is a mental dissorder and can be effectively threated if the subject is willing.

It is political correctness run amok that makes people think sexuality is something you are actually born with in your genes; your sexual drive might be natural, i.e. the passion for replicating(or atleast having sex), but the sexual lust (i.e. who/what turns you on) is not naturally coded into you; You aren't born prefering blondes over brunettes, or your own sex opposed to the opposit, or children opposed to adults.
Thats not saying that people into the same sex have a mental dissorder, before anyone goes there; Or well, they actually do, but we all have "mental dissorders" like that; Just ask yourself if you prefer a blonde, brunette or redhead? Same thing, in principle.

It lies deep and quite hard to work at, so going to take a long time for a willing subject to get rid of that sexual perversion, and they got to be willing, because you can't really reach such goal through psychiatry(sp?) without the person coorperating.

Oh, and that is if the sex offender is indeed a pedophile, most charged and convicted of child molestation is actually not pedophiles, but rather people with other sick perversions whose victims happened to be (or has to be for it to be possible) a child.

throughoutly agree. I do believe that all humans are born with the same chance of being identical but upbringing gives us these "mental disorders" which is all from which taste of candy you like, to who you'd kill if you had to. more fucked up things happening, more fucked up you can become if not helped through it.

 

[russell]

I dont agree that it is just experience, and nothing to do with pre- disposition.

More and more conditions are being linked back to wiring, bi -polar, depression, alcoholism, some cancers... Most gay people I know would say that they are' born' gay, not 'made' gay. Alot of who you are as a person mentally and physically, the building blocks can be genetic -but obviously it is all shaped by the enviroment you are brought up in. The old nature/nurture debate.

I cant say about pedophiles it could just be bad experience that fucks them up, it is a common factor. But how come only some of the abused go on to abuse?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Nope, because there was no personal harm in the example of stealing a candybar, there is materiel damage (not sure thats correct english term), as only property was taken.

If someone is mentally slow (genetic disorder or whatnot) and hurts another person, he will still be punished, even through he did not know any better; His sentence might be lowered for it, but still.

whatever is wrong with you cannot get you out of crimes in which another person is hurt, and should not.

Personal harm is in stealing a candybar, but let's move away from that.

Plenty of cases where a mentally disabled is given the spli since they are "slow". So if there's one genetic disorder hat makes you slow, and another that makes you touch kids, where do you draw the line of "giving a break" to the guy?

Speaking IF it's a gentic disorder to touch kids.

 

[tierk]

....where do you draw the line of "giving a break" to the guy?....

At Kiddie Fiddling. No breaks - except castration - for any fiddler. They dont deserve a second chance. Simply remove all their bits and lets see them reoffend then.

 

[russell]

At Kiddie Fiddling. No breaks - except castration - for any fiddler. They dont deserve a second chance. Simply remove all their bits and lets see them reoffend then.

But then they can still commit abuse -arguably just as bad, with other parts of their body, if the inclination is still there?

Yuk. Makes me feel bad just thinking about the fact that there is no fool proof way to stop it.