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Novamir
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OMFG first of all, what a film! Aside from understand/appreciating the intricacies (which all the people with me wrote off as needless confusion), it was so epic. The fights had my jaw dropping.. when the camera panned out around the Truck as the agent jumped on the fight morpheus i thought... "OMG THEY ARE GOING TO FIGHT ON A TRUCK". I loved all the fights. I loved that Neo is now superman in the 'matrix'. The special effects were awesome. But on to the real discussion 
First of all the ending. Neo stops the the sentinels dead after realising that "it feels the same" (cant remember exactly what he said). Now i think most clever people watching twigged this is the same feeling/look Neo had when he saw through the code at the end of the first matrix - a dawning - realisation.
What's the reason for this? Most obviously I'd say a matrix within a matrix.. that we have only seen Neo do those things before as his in-matrix avatar and therefore this must be a matrix too. But is it? I mean, although it's a very code-based plot, the CENTRAL theme is love. The ultimate anomoly.
The oracle told us that the choice doesn't matter, only the why. The understanding. Remind yourself of the scene between Neo and the creator.. he offers him the choice of saving Zion so it could be rebuilt for the 7th time, or going to try to save Trinity although she would die. Neo has learnt now never to read along the lines, as he chooses love, instinct and hope, a very non-programmable entity.
So he saves trinity by performing a miracle within the matrix - this goes to show either the creator is wrong since he isn't able to see outside perfection, and love isn't perfection OR that he was just trying to trick neo, in which case he lost. It could also be that he isn't really the creator at all, and it's all a fake.
Now Neo is supposed to be the anomoly. The imperfect part that can't be governed, put in there by the Oracle. If this is correct, does it mean that the machines are creating the people? Or the people create their own personalities? Was Neo created as a program and then manifested himself into the real world? If so this explains Smith's ability to put his own consciousness into the 'real world' in order to hijack the raid on the sentinels by zion's forces.
SO back to the original question. How did he stop the sentinels? My gut feeling is that it's not a matrix within a matrix. I personally think that somehow the consciousness of Neo's matrix abilities has been able to cross over and manifest in his true body, much in the way that smith manages ("set him free" etc). I could be wrong though. THe matrix within a matrix idea also seems plausible ..
First of all the ending. Neo stops the the sentinels dead after realising that "it feels the same" (cant remember exactly what he said). Now i think most clever people watching twigged this is the same feeling/look Neo had when he saw through the code at the end of the first matrix - a dawning - realisation.
What's the reason for this? Most obviously I'd say a matrix within a matrix.. that we have only seen Neo do those things before as his in-matrix avatar and therefore this must be a matrix too. But is it? I mean, although it's a very code-based plot, the CENTRAL theme is love. The ultimate anomoly.
The oracle told us that the choice doesn't matter, only the why. The understanding. Remind yourself of the scene between Neo and the creator.. he offers him the choice of saving Zion so it could be rebuilt for the 7th time, or going to try to save Trinity although she would die. Neo has learnt now never to read along the lines, as he chooses love, instinct and hope, a very non-programmable entity.
So he saves trinity by performing a miracle within the matrix - this goes to show either the creator is wrong since he isn't able to see outside perfection, and love isn't perfection OR that he was just trying to trick neo, in which case he lost
. It could also be that he isn't really the creator at all, and it's all a fake.Now Neo is supposed to be the anomoly. The imperfect part that can't be governed, put in there by the Oracle. If this is correct, does it mean that the machines are creating the people? Or the people create their own personalities? Was Neo created as a program and then manifested himself into the real world? If so this explains Smith's ability to put his own consciousness into the 'real world' in order to hijack the raid on the sentinels by zion's forces.
SO back to the original question. How did he stop the sentinels? My gut feeling is that it's not a matrix within a matrix. I personally think that somehow the consciousness of Neo's matrix abilities has been able to cross over and manifest in his true body, much in the way that smith manages ("set him free" etc). I could be wrong though. THe matrix within a matrix idea also seems plausible
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