Macintyre Investigates

[Skyler]

well in lambeth they dont care atm... if its for personal use...

But as far as drugs go, they are part of the problem, even cannabis is part of it...

Clamping down is a good idea, but then again maybe not, it depends...

Clamping down on harder drugs and leaving cannabis alone in lambeth hasnt sorted street crime at all, its still rising.

Perhaps clamping down hard on cannabis with on the spot fines for posession of a small amount would be better?

Who knows

 

[Will]

Have you considered clamping down might be the issue here?

Let's face facts, the war on drugs has made no difference to the availability of them, or the number of users. Not in the UK, not in the US, not anywhere.

 

[mr.Blacky]

Originally posted by ItchyTrigaFinga
Have you considered clamping down might be the issue here?

Let's face facts, the war on drugs has made no difference to the availability of them, or the number of users. Not in the UK, not in the US, not anywhere.

instead of going against the availability they should try to lower the demand. less people using less money for the criminals.

 

[Cod]

Can't say i see the relation between cannabis and crime..

 

[Will]

Ahh, the link was stop and search.

As far as I am aware, Stop and Search is used not to arrest people suspected of carrying out muggings, but to allow the police to intimidate people off the streets, or pull them in for possesion of blow. I severely doubt that the number of muggings commited was affected by the number of stop and searches carried out.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Stop and Search did nothing other than create even more bad feeling between racial groups and the Police. It's bloody depressing but we live in a really racist society. That fact that total idiots here can even suggest that stop and search is a good thing really just takes the biscuit.

L_plates, fuck off and die of a very very painful skin condition, thank you.

 

[mr.Blacky]

what to choose? an overbearing politic corect nation or a nation where there is some racism....
what to choose

Personaly I think that there are people that shout racism when its not the case.
Scooba perhaps the policeman that stopped your friend was lazy so just stopped one of you, lets keep the stereotypes about police officers

If I walk into a neighbourhood that has a really bad rep and I see black man there then I think "he might have a knive" but I think the same when I see a white man.

This is a very funny thread rofl.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

The Police abused stop and search, not living here you wouldn't know that, but it's a fact. If you considered not wanting to move around anywhere because the Police will stop you if they see you, none of you would support stop and search.

 

[Skyler]

Whats the problem in being stopped/searched if you are innocent ?

Dont take 5minutes?

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Skyler
Whats the problem in being stopped/searched if you are innocent ?

Dont take 5minutes?

If you truly believe this, you are the most depressingly idiotic person I've ever seen posting on these boards

Oh well, at least I can take comfort in the fact that you get repeatedly mugged, maybe next time one will do the gene pool a favour and put a knife in you

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass
The Police abused stop and search, not living here you wouldn't know that, but it's a fact. If you considered not wanting to move around anywhere because the Police will stop you if they see you, none of you would support stop and search.

If you're carrying vast amounts of weed for smoking purposes, chances are you aren't going to want to move around much anyway.

 

[Daffeh]

Scooba u are sounding more and more like u are defending these muggers

imo the quicker that they are off the streets the better

ok i may not live in London, but its not like we dont get street crime here

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

I'm not defending mugging/muggers, what I am against is giving Police the ability to stop anyone of a specific minority, it is horifically abused and heavy handed police tactics never work.

 

[Skyler]

Well what else do you suggest then Scooba, stop/search is an effective way of curbing the amount of knife carriers and potential muggers from the streets, or at least intimidating them enough to move to another area. It doesnt solve it but it helps, and with the way it is atm, it needs helping in every little way.

 

[(Shovel)]

Yes, Stop and Search probably does help. However, the repercussion of having entire racial communities pissed cause you're racistly picking on them most likely doesn't.

I was in Washington about two weeks ago, and it was quite impressive to see how much more respect thier police officers had than they do over here. Most likely because they were visible on the street.

Racially biased stop and search just infuriates people, especially the minorities who see it as justification of racism.
If you REALLY want to do it, you have to do it to everyone equally.

I agree that people cry "racist" far to quickly too. L_Plates did at least admit to it. Sadly that makes him a racist. Shame.

The reality is, that British nationality means different things to different people, to some it means very little.
My personal opinion is that the wide solution to the natural segregation is that each culture in Britain must realise their common purpose. We're here for a reason, so are "they".
There is no such thing as a second-generation immigrant (contrary to what the daily mail will have you believe), cause 2nd generation makes you British.

We don't really know what being British is any more (unless we count cross-cultured hooliganism...) so what chance does a 'new' Brit have?

The country needs to do some soul searching and realise why we're here. Our old culture is so commonly seen as the moncarchy - not much use to anyone. There's plenty more to go look for, so lets find it.

When we do, we're sorted, I recon

... maybe we should invest in some billboard advertising?

 

[Cod]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass
I'm not defending mugging/muggers, what I am against is giving Police the ability to stop anyone of a specific minority, it is horifically abused and heavy handed police tactics never work.

Even if the mugging commited are mostly by a specific minority?

 

[Skyler]

Nice Shovel, I personally view anyone of any race British if they were born here, and anyone who has come here for a legit reason and stayed, is also a brit imo.

Trouble is to many people (whatever race) dont care what the hell happens to anything in this country, and break the law constantly

Need to deffo find the British identity again, atm I think we are just following America...

And yeah yank cops do have a lot of respect in some cities in America, and they offer very high profile policing. But policing American cities is very much different imo, they are more spacious, the yank cops have guns, there are more american coppers....

I dont know that much about it but it seems to me to be quite obviously different

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

A police presence is definitely the way to go, instead of cars of cops driving around stopping black people (the way it was during stop and search). A very obvious police presence deters a lot, especially if the police are seen as part of the community. A massive rift was created by stop and search; it's very hard to respect a society that is seen as 'picking' on you, it's got to be the other way around...

Other issue, American cops. American policing works generally by imposing such harsh penalties that crime becomes 'unprofitable'. The three strikes system is in place, that means that your third felony, regardless of what it is results in a life jail sentence, this has the effect of both discouraging, but also the negative side of raising the stakes. If you are a criminal you may as well take a gun with you and shoot if things go wrong, because if you get caught you are going to jail until you die. Regardless of whether you think it works, America has a higher proportion of the populace jailed than any other nation on Earth...much like most American solutions it tackles the end, instead of the cause.

 

[Perplex]

Originally posted by bigbb

syntagmtic

What exactly does that word mean, and where does it come from, cos the dictionary certainly hasn't heard of it

 

[Perplex]

Originally posted by Skyler
I dont really care about immigrants, well I dont want to see people getting here simply because we offer a "better" quality of life. If they are in war/genuine refugees then let them in.

That's the $64,000 question - how do you tell a genuine case from an illigitimate one - in 95% of cases you can't.

If we could do that then there wouldn't be a problem

 

[Perplex]

The issue here is one of aspirations and goals. The problem with many of these 'underpriviledged' predominately ethnic areas is that the youth don't have any viable idols or leaders to base a realistic set of aspirations to.

Look at the heads of all the major companies in the country - white. Look at the prime ministers and main cabinets over the decades - white. The list goes on.

Now look at the majority of rap stars out there - black. Majority of yardie reggae stars - black. (I know I'm picking on music - but I just woke up and I'm too tired to stretch my mind too far).

The youth don't see a future for themselves within the 'acceptable' avenues of business and respectable carreers, due to the fact that they don't see anyone of their colour within the upper echelons of that sphere.

However, they do see their favourite rappers and reggae artists out there making a ton of cash and dripping in success - and how do they all claim to have done it? By 'bustin caps' in their enemies asses, and by robbing, raping and commiting crimes against other humans.

Is it a surprise that they see this as an avenue out of their 'supposed' poverty? No.

Oh, and as a second note - it's utter fucking bullshit that people whine about how they are 'underpriviledged' and could never get a university degree. Utter fucking shite. My father was a refugee from Palestine after the fucking Jews invaded it and called it Palestine. He lived in a tent in Jordan for 15 years, not even having shoes to wear on his feet. He proceeded to get scholarship anfter scholarship, to Cairo Medical University, to Libya Medical University, until finally a UK University sponsored him to come here to complete his medical studies. 20 years later he became one of the leading consultant surgeons in his field, world renowned for pioneering new life-saving surgical procedures and holding lectures all over the world to teach his new findings.

So to you little whining fucks bleeting about how bad you have it - shut up, lose the excuse, you've never fucking had it so good.

 

[Perplex]

Let me guess - regardless of the valid points in my post, I'm going to be called an 'anti-semite' and a 'holocaust denier'.

Bite me - I having nothing against Jews (most Muslims don't as a matter of fact and contrary to popular belief) - I just intensely dislike Israelies, and I have a very legitimate basis for that hatred. You see how it feels getting a telegram telling you your 12 year old cousin was shot walking home from school in the head by an Israeli soldier brandishing an M16.

Pathetic nation, pathetic people, pathetic.

 

[Embattle]

Both are as bad as each other.

 

[mr.Blacky]

Look at the heads of all the major companies in the country - white. Look at the prime ministers and main cabinets over the decades - white.

well what do you want then. someone becomming the head of a major company without any talents? You have to start somewhere and that will take time. I am a bit of an optimist and I think over 10 years things will be a lot diverant.
Also most big companies are based in the west, where there are more "white" people.

 

[Perplex]

Originally posted by Embattle
Both are as bad as each other.

Elaborate? If it's what I think you mean, then you obviously hav very little comprehension of the history, or matters at hand - at all.

 

[mr.Blacky]

agree both are as bad, because both sides are using tactics that hurt the innocent. I cant explain how it helps anybody when a child is killed by a gun or a bomb.

 

[Perplex]

Granted - but the simple fact of the matter is that this whole issue was caused by the British, Americans, and the holocaust survivors.

Forgetting the past and looking to the present, the Israelies have been occupying parts of the Palestinian terrotories for a long time (well, the whole of fucking Israel used to be Palestine, that's another story) They refuse to get out of the occupied areas, been destroying homes and buildings with Apache helicopters, then wonder why the Palestinians are pissed off and sending suicide bombers in?

You see the footage of Isaeli soldiers using Human Sheilds? Strapping Palestinian women and children to the front of their tanks so nobody would shoot at them? Barbaric retards

 

[Perplex]

Anyway - this has fuck all to do with my original post - forget the Israel/Palestine issue, it was a tangent - make comments on my original post, thanks

 

[Embattle]

Think what you want....your views are biased and so is your view on history....always has been and always will be.

Perplex they're as bad as each other whether it be suicide bombers blowing up people or tanks rolling over people at the end of the day you're one of those people who always reffers to who started it....thats why it'll never end.

I make excuses for neither side and recognise both seem to have problems, Sheron is a prime twat and with Americas help, or lack of intervention, will continue his little war game and Yasser Arafat is no better by not stopping the suicide bombers...although now he couldn't even if he wanted to since the attacks have rendered he more or less powerless.

As I said...bad as each other but admittedly at different times, although you'll most probably call me a fucktard which is why I won't go in to this subject in much more detail.

 

[Skyler]

I cant see rolemodels causing it that much. Seeing black people at the head of companies doesnt make black youths want to work hard and such. That aint gonna happen anyway, until you get them working hard for degrees and stuff, but so many arent they are just commiting crimes? :/

If most asians can get their children very well commited at school/college/uni and career motivated, then I'm sure the same can be done for black kids. Asians didnt exactly have many role models originally, but so many asians now are sucessful in business.

As for the Israel/Palestinian stuff, imo they both set each other off, and they have done that to much now its hard to see who actually properly started it. They always blame each other for everything :/