Macintyre Investigates

[Wij]

Originally posted by throdgrain
Its not a sin to say the word black you know. It is a colour thats all. If the fact is that most muggings in a given area are done by black people, then why get so excited Wij ?

I think you mixed me up with someone else. I was steering my usual 'middle-of-the-road' course on this argument

/edit: Scooba - ok u know the area. I bet there are some streets you wouldn't go down alone though. I know plenty in Halifax like that

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by throdgrain
I really dont think skyler is being rascist if he says that most muggings are commited by black men in a certain area of london for example.
Its not a sin to say the word black you know. It is a colour thats all. If the fact is that most muggings in a given area are done by black people, then why get so excited Wij ?
I dont live in Brixton, (thank god) but most of the people who live there appear to be black, so it would only stand to reason that most of the muggers were also black ??
Wtf? Where is the racism ?

Firstly nothing wrong with Brixton, it has a reputation, but like pretty much anywhere it's unfounded.

However, the 'reason to get excited' is that the points raised by the original poster focussed on the fact that the muggers were black, which is incidental, Rather than that they are muggers. The colour of someone's skin has no bearing upon ther inclination to commit crime.

In my personal experience the people who cause the most problems are white males who drink beer....

 

[throdgrain]

Wij m8 sorry I meant waz lol
Scooba what your saying is in many ways my point. To say most of the muggers in brixton are black is hardly suprising given the colour of the population.
Or put it another way. Most muggers from say, holland are dutch.Err... most muggers in glasgow are scottish ? Or whatever , do you see what im saying ?
The inference made by skyler wasnt that all black men in brixton are muggers. It was that most of the muggers are black. And the reason for that is that more people there are black.

 

[Skyler]

No one is saying people just decide to mug because they are black, I'm trying to say the there is a majority of black muggers in London. So why cant people just admit it and sort it out, instead of calling me or anyone else who agrees a racist.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Wij


I think you mixed me up with someone else. I was steering my usual 'middle-of-the-road' course on this argument

/edit: Scooba - ok u know the area. I bet there are some streets you wouldn't go down alone though. I know plenty in Halifax like that

Nah, it's not that bad, honestly. The thing about Brixton is that's got a REALLY massive divide. Half of the area is very very poor, unemployment is massive. The other half is very affluent. With the influx of, I'm loath to say) yuppie culture, Brixton and certain surrounding environs have a certain desirability to them. More than anything else this massive gap 'causes the most resentment. Being a 'local' you get to know the signs of trouble, but a great deal to do with it is attitude. I know people who have been mugged 8/9 times in the last year alone, and I have to say a great deal of that is to do with attitude, the way you walk, how you hold yourself, etc... I dunno, maybe part of that is being 'known' in the area, I don't mean in a made mafia style way, but simply being seen around a lot.

I think the major problem, certainly in Brixton is the proliferation of hard drugs, many of the muggers that end up being caught after repeated muggings are crack heads, for whom the need to be back in the bowl of that pipe get's too strong.

The solution for that, I don't know, I guess some people choose to go to hell in their own way as most of the anti drug measures have very little affect.

 

[bodhi]

I dont give a fuck if you a honky or a *****, you try any shit wiv me and my crew i will put a cap in yo ass.





Or something.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Skyler
No one is saying people just decide to mug because they are black, I'm trying to say the there is a majority of black muggers in London. So why cant people just admit it and sort it out, instead of calling me or anyone else who agrees a racist.

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Howabout instead, we just sort out mugging genrally, instead of targetting 'black muggers'?

 

[Skyler]

I didnt say target "black muggers".

I want it all sorted, but if there is a majority somewhere, then that majority should be taken care of first ?

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

No, the whole problem should be tackled.

 

[throdgrain]

You've gotto start somewhere though aintcha ?

 

[Wij]

Yes. By catching and sentencing all muggers properly

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

I'll tell you why targetting black muggers is a bad idea, especially in London, the Met Police force contains racists, this must be an acknowledgable fact by anyone who lives in and arouund London. Giving said people directives instructing them to specifically go after muggers of a particular colour totally messes up the point of a Police force. It's basically saying that crimes comitted by Black Muggers are of a higher importance than those comitted by muggers of any other ethnic background.

When the stop and search policy was underway myself and a friend were waiting at Brixton station for some other friends to arrive. He was looking at a ticket machine when a police car pulled up. My friend was searched because they claimed they thought he was trying to rob from it (they said they were looking for a lot of change as you would get from a ticket machine). I was not searched nor even questioned. After 15 minutes of questions they left him alone. Imagine that happening to you simply because it is perceieved that your ethnic background is responsible for a higher percentage of crimes...

 

[Skyler]

I agree with stop/search, it is a very good idea and really does work. The police stop people who they believe might attempt to mug people. If there is a statistic showing that mostly black youths commit the crime, then surely them stopping more black youths is ok ?

If I had a small minority of 100 purple haired people living somewhere...

And a majority of 1000 brown haired people living somewhere....

If I kept getting many many reports and evidence showing that mostly purple haired people mugged people....

I would obviously stop and search more of them wouldnt I ?

Common sense to me...

Although its not the best example I cba to think of something better

 

[bodhi]

Yeah they shouldn't just focus on the black muggers. Go after the pakis too.

 

[throdgrain]

Oi posh bloke . You actually ever seen a black person ?

 

[old.PCG79]

Ah how sad is it that that MacIntyre bloke shat himself when the dude pulled out the jukka (slang for knife ) but loads of people I know (not friends) were laughing.

Of course, loads of them hang around trying to be 'gangstas' - one kid wears those Avirex jackets and was stopped by the Police about 5 times (a few times he was arrested for carrying illegal substances).

No I dont live in Brixton.

Tottenham

 

[Skyler]

Gah your friends are dicks and should see how they feel when that happens to them

 

[Furr]

I still think that we should place troops on the streets of major cities.

Me would think that a patrol of fully kitted out commandos would convince any would be mugger that they would probably be better staying in watching TV.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Skyler
I agree with stop/search, it is a very good idea and really does work. The police stop people who they believe might attempt to mug people. If there is a statistic showing that mostly black youths commit the crime, then surely them stopping more black youths is ok ?

If I had a small minority of 100 purple haired people living somewhere...

And a majority of 1000 brown haired people living somewhere....

If I kept getting many many reports and evidence showing that mostly purple haired people mugged people....

I would obviously stop and search more of them wouldnt I ?

Common sense to me...

Although its not the best example I cba to think of something better

I'm assuming you are a white male. White Males have committed more crime in the UK than any other racial demographic. I propose that Police should have the right to stop you, being part of that demographic, if they have any reason for suspecting you may be a criminal (this can be any reason). This will happen to you many times, in fact, whenever you leave your house. It's justified, after all, your demographic are historically and statistically more likely to commit crimes. On some occasions have the Police drag you down the station as they think you *may* have some kind of link with a crime. Have this happen once a week.

Now try supporting a policy of stop and search, you clueless fucknut.

 

[old.PCG79]

Originally posted by Skyler
Gah your friends are dicks and should see how they feel when that happens to them

NOT my friends.

Anyway if it happened to them they'd probably attack the foo'. Or mass and rape him

 

[Skyler]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass


I'm assuming you are a white male. White Males have committed more crime in the UK than any other racial demographic. I propose that Police should have the right to stop you, being part of that demographic, if they have any reason for suspecting you may be a criminal (this can be any reason). This will happen to you many times, in fact, whenever you leave your house. It's justified, after all, your demographic are historically and statistically more likely to commit crimes. On some occasions have the Police drag you down the station as they think you *may* have some kind of link with a crime. Have this happen once a week.

Now try supporting a policy of stop and search, you clueless fucknut.

Stop and search isnt likely to stop bank jobs, burglary, car theft etc..

It is likely to stop muggings.


As for yer mates attacking them back PCG79, I doubt that

Try being surrounded by 4 huge blokes with knives when your alone, and see how fast you hand over your stuff and how scared you are

They would definately not even think about fighting it.

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass


I'm assuming you are a white male. White Males have committed more crime in the UK than any other racial demographic. a week.

There's more of us that there are any other racial demographic.

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Bodhi
I dont give a fuck if you a honky or a *****, you try any shit wiv me and my crew i will put a cap in yo ass.





Or something.

Oi posh kid none of that

 

[Cod]

Originally posted by Skyler

Why is it when a black person is stabbed by white kids its all over the news constantly as a racist attack? and when a white person is killed by black youths no one really even bats an eyelid ?

Thats because when a white person is stabbed by a black person it isn't racist.. I mean black ppl can't be racist, surely?

 

[Daffeh]

Originally posted by PCG79
Ah how sad is it that that MacIntyre bloke shat himself when the dude pulled out the jukka (slang for knife ) but loads of people I know (not friends) were laughing.

Of course, loads of them hang around trying to be 'gangstas' - one kid wears those Avirex jackets and was stopped by the Police about 5 times (a few times he was arrested for carrying illegal substances).

No I dont live in Brixton.

Tottenham

so surely if someone is arrested multiple times whilst carrying these substances, they should be charged and sentanced?

maybe thats a way to stop all this crime, actually lock them away rather then letting them out with a slap on the wrist

 

[Skyler]

Heh, just went downstairs to get some food and spotted the local newspaper for today.

The headline being "street crime up 58%"

Thats on top of the 106% increase we had in febuary

Those are police figures so.... I aint lying

But those are only the reported ones :/

 

[old.PCG79]

Originally posted by Daf



so surely if someone is arrested multiple times whilst carrying these substances, they should be charged and sentanced?

maybe thats a way to stop all this crime, actually lock them away rather then letting them out with a slap on the wrist

Actually thats what I thought.. what can you do though :/

 

[Will]

You think stopping people on the basis they "looked like they could be up to something" and jailing them because they had some blow on them is going to reduce street crime and improve the social situation for people in these areas?

Needless jailing people for possesion of cannabis just adds to social deprivation. Now, possesion of a knife is a different matter, but for wanting a smoke?

 

[L_Plates]

Well i can say im racist in a small way and ill admit it !

I dont mind the black's as most are 100% british which is fair does. But when it comes to asians and pakistannys however you spell it , it really pisses me off. They talk there own language on the streets coz they are so ignorant and lok at us like shit. But when we do it specially in my town we get reported to teh police for saying anything to them. And as for the way the goverment looks after them they get more dole than any brirish person reson being they dont know anyone BOLLOX tehy dont know anyone half there FECKIN family is crammed in the house next door.. But oh the goverment knows that and turns a blind eye. I say speak english and respect the country or feck off...




Iknow this will rattle a few ppl on this forum but everybody is allowed freedom of speech remember and thats all skyler was doing no need for him to fuck off and die


Nuff said.

 

[Cod]

Originally posted by ItchyTrigaFinga
Needless jailing people for possesion of cannabis just adds to social deprivation. Now, possesion of a knife is a different matter, but for wanting a smoke?

I thought that didn't happen? Not round here anyway, the poilice from what i've seen dont particulary care if your smoking weed. Is it more strict in other areas?