lvl 50 ns spec

[lofff]

Originally posted by N07ABL3
(Healer posting on this acct cus i cant b arsed goin on mine atm cus i read this on this one )

Peirce is better for Lurikeen shades, Blades r better for Elf ones, since STR is atribute for blades and peirce is 50/50 dex/str so,,, stfu lofff lol and learn not to flame when ppl r sayin there points of view, and neway, got college

and peirce is better IMO because if u fight a bubbler ur fked with blades as there,,, SLOW so u will miss more often but with peirce u can kill em easier

u better shut up ffs

1- Elves and luris have same str base.
2- Dual wielders dont care bout bubble, neither pierce or blade ones. Specially if u knew ur counterrealm bubbleboys are casters.
3- I did not start the flames.

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by old.Laryssa
pierce is the way to go

never saw a stun style on blades which is comparable to Diamondback nor any evade based chain

nuff said - kthxbye

cough, u might use CS styles? aaaaaaand... do u know u cant chainstun a target? so once u landed ur CD u cant stun it again with diamond back? oh dear

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by old.DARKDANCER
dunno how anyone can coment on what a level 50 shade can or cannot solo if they havent actually played one.

mb due to lots a daoc experience, fighting other realm assasins, reading skillz and brains?

 

[Tyka]

Lofff i think they are trying to say piercing styles are better than blades style, i dont know.

Having a slower wpn as a piercer gives you bigger chance to do the PA -> CD chain, wich is a 6 sec stun.

Most blade styles are based on a block move, and how often do a ns block compared to evade? block rate for a average ns is 15%, i dont know how much it is for evading with all their RAs. That would mean they have easier to get of diamondback, wich is a 6 sec stun, im sure you know of this, and imo 1 of the best styles there is in game, especially with high evade. On the other hand most armors will be either neutral or vulnerable against slash so i GUESS it will even it out, cant say anything because i have not tried it. But im sure i would go thrust, hibernian slash styles suck for a nightshade. And who cares if tehy get a penalty against armsmen or warriors lol, what nightshade would PA a tank

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by Solarius
Have to wonder, been reading a few threads where Lofff features....

Is there ANY class he hasn't play to 50th where he doesn't seem to know more about the class than ppl who've played the class to 50th?

Its about the time ive wasted playing daoc, the experience from too many rvr hours. Once uve played too much and u know everyclass as well as urs, and also uve reserarched bout em and the incoming patches, including other realm ones, then u can talk bout em just cos u know what ur talking about, u can give facts and discuss.

Problem is ppl like u and many others in that thread think daoc is a science instead of a game so it must b too hard to fucking know how a different class work.


And anyway, laryssa, tha main winner, did not played a shade to 50, has no fucking meleer to 50, has no fucking clue whats to melee in rvr, is just too easy to open her/his mind to the facts or give counterfacts.



ps: ur spec is gonna gimp ur weaponskill and dmg output. Also wasting points in stealth/envenom overspeccing, plain crappy spec. Hope u save a /respec.

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by Tyka
Lofff i think they are trying to say piercing styles are better than blades style, i dont know.

Having a slower wpn as a piercer gives you bigger chance to do the PA -> CD chain, wich is a 6 sec stun.

Most blade styles are based on a block move, and how often do a ns block compared to evade? block rate for a average ns is 15%, i dont know how much it is for evading with all their RAs. That would mean they have easier to get of diamondback, wich is a 6 sec stun, im sure you know of this, and imo 1 of the best styles there is in game, especially with high evade. On the other hand most armors will be either neutral or vulnerable against slash so i GUESS it will even it out, cant say anything because i have not tried it. But im sure i would go thrust, hibernian slash styles suck for a nightshade. And who cares if tehy get a penalty against armsmen or warriors lol, what nightshade would PA a tank

OH NO, NOT U TOO!
NO PLZ, NO!

cs styles > piercestyles > bladestyles.

so use cs ones knpthx




Bout the last 2 lines, they are the ones who PA warriors... Read above more carefully.

 

[Tyka]

LOFFF FFS G3T YOUR F4CK1NG FACTS STRAIGHT I PH4ACK1NG PWNZ0RZ

Nah i dunno much about ns's so i'll hush, never intended to start flaming you lofff, and you know it

I bet you can't wait to get your self buffs next patch huh?

 

[lofff]

well, selfbuff + unclamed 16.5dps + instamezzes for loved + ... oh well

we will nevah get our relics back with everyalb bond at sauvage

 

[old.Laryssa]

 

[lofff]

pwned

 

[healer_mcheal]

Right, there is a 3.6spd crafted Guarded Rapier, if u want dmg with peirce use that, it allmost dbl's your pa and also its fast enough to land the cd b4 u get slammed if u go vs a scout etc(unless he can slam u within about 2secs)

 

[Noche]

/Pharm continues

Why should an infil go thrust then? Since they should use CS?

Tyka if there´s any NS who´ll equip a shield to rvr I serious doubt he´s got lvl 50. Ns as all assasins needs to kill fast, longer the fight, worse it´ll be (not so lately with all those RAs but still). Evade got 35% chance at lvl 50, with dodger 2 it´ll be 41%, so basicly u can count almost half of the fight evading, with buffs it might go as high as 60%. No flame either

Again as I said the ONLY style I use of pierce´s diamond back, infils prolly will have only couple of styles from their thrust line, and I´m yet to see em complain about thrust being gimped.

I´m all 4 infils to spec in slash hehe, beside our armor got resist against them, without dragon fang it´ll be a much easier fight, and I mean MUCH easier.

As a stealther soloing u´ll face many time being unstealthed or vs more enemies, and u´ll need that stun, with it and a couple of hamstring the fight´s usually turned to ur side totally.

As a stealther grping, u´ll PA and kill first target (usually CCer) and then try to PA and kill another with 10 sec of delay, many times u will got caught by enemy tanks on u, and u´ll not be able to stealth that easy (most likely after 2 kills or more) and by then u´ll NEED some melee ability, and as said diamond back saved my ass way enough times, once a friar jumped on me, I evade, diamond back, ran away and stealthed, tons of examples like that.

Guarded rapier = 3.7 spd, bastard sword = 4.1 spd. It´s really not that much of a difference. *And remember blade based on str and pierce on quick*, so it´ll pretty much even it out. If buffed maybe blade shade got more edge damage wise, but a single diamond can totally turns the fight´s tide to pierce shade.

Anyway we can duel in 1.54 and ppl will got more conclusions. And remember, on the top of that, skill > all.

P.S.: Actually it´s buff bot > all

Edit: *And remember blade based on str and pierce on quick*
Omg wot was I thinking about
Blade = 100% str Pierce = 50% str 50% dex

 

[Elric IA]

Btw ive found on catacombs a cool long reasoning bout elves been the best champs (rofl)

They must talk sense then (btw biased)

Some very interesting (and wierd specs there) I wont post anything here as this is a shade discussion.

 

[Tyka]

Noche where did i say that nightshades should use a shield in rvr? you just put up alot of crap that no1 even asked about or care about, lofff got his own opinion, respect it.

Ok this one is funny.

"And remember blade based on str and pierce on quick"

ROFLMAO

Ok noche that proofes how much you know about nightshades and wich weapons they should use

 

[lofff]

oh no! now noche has a reason to post again 10 times.

 

[old.Laryssa]

:wub:

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

Ok I think loffs got it dead right and every other lvl 50 shade on the planet has got it wrong.

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

oh and loff you can chain stun styles its duration is halved every time you use it. Its even been featured on the camelot hearald but I guess youll say they got it wrong.

 

[Tyka]

Originally posted by old.DARKDANCER
oh and loff you can chain stun styles its duration is halved every time you use it. Its even been featured on the camelot hearald but I guess youll say they got it wrong.

You sure you did this in rvr mate ?

In rvr the timer is on 1 minute duration, they changed that somewhere in between patch 1.36 and 1.45.

However in PvE the duration only gets halved to everytime you use it for maximum 3-4 times depending on what kind of stun you use.

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

It was on the daily tips on the opening web page it just said stun styles can be chained and you should do so, Ive used it after a succesfull cd before and it seemed to work mins re stun me all the time is this different to weap stuns?

 

[Noche]

Sorry my fault pierce is 50 str and 50 dex.

Edit: Shit I´m stupid

<Slap himself around a bit with a large trout>

 

[Noche]

Tyka u said NS using blade and wondered about blade block % and reactive styles associated with it, wot should I assume? That a NS can use blade block opening style WITHOUT using a shield? Wot u said is that a NS would prolly pull off much easier diamond back than any shield reactionary to block style, therefor u talked about NS with shield yes or no?

A slip of tongue happens, flame me, come on.

Tyka I don´t say crap, u don´t have a NS, don´t assume u know absolutly all about em, Hero != NS.

Pierce will got higher wpn skill than blade, period. (that´s wot originally I wanna say )

Anyway in rvr u can´t chain stun Darky, but one of em´s more than enough to do a pretty chain with defense bonus on it.

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by old.DARKDANCER
Ok I think loffs got it dead right and every other lvl 50 shade on the planet has got it wrong.

Since we are discussing mostly the difference betwen slash and trush in rvr, which are melee skills, its more like a melee feature.

And yes most prolly am dead right

oh and loff you can chain stun styles its duration is halved every time you use it. Its even been featured on the camelot hearald but I guess youll say they got it wrong.

Since ive been using my stun styles in rvr "a couple of times" i can tell u that yes, u are wrong again, as tyka said that was changed sum patch and actually u cant chain stun a target in rvr.
U can find stuff like quikcast halving castime too, but thats also wrong.


Best way to know things is testing urself in game.





Am bored and out of the thread (again)

 

[belth]

ARGUE DESTROY HIBERNIA



/end useless post