lvl 50 ns spec

[old.Striglen]

Haveing a bit of a problem choseing a lvl 50 spec for my NS, so i

was wondering if some of the old and wise Nightshades would

have a crack at it

 

[Envenom2]

u could do this.

Envenom 38+12 with RR and items
Blades/Pierce 38+12 again with RR and items
Stealth 40+10 to get 50
CS 42-43+6 with items and RR
CD 5+ RR and items

 

[Chameleon]

Shamelessly ripped from Luckie's guide, this is definately worth considering as an end spec or at very least, a good spec to make small modifications to to suit you.

Level 50:
Piercing: 37 (Easily modifiable to 50, good damage -- get +11 in items, Infernal Malison Rapier (+5 Piercing), Epic Dagger offhand (+4 Piercing), and a Right Bracer of Skill or Master Assassin's Pendant (+2 Piercing) in addition to Realm Rank 3 will gain you the required +13)

Crit Strike 44 (For the 3-style Perforate Artery combo and Rib Seperator, the 3rd Evade style)

Stealth 37 (Easily modified to 50 - Stealth past 50 has no effect)

Envenom 38 (Easily modifiable to 50, use of all poisons - Epic Gloves (+5 Envenom), Epic Jewel (+3 Envenom), and Realm Rank 3 only account for +10 Envenom. However, if you get to Realm Rank 5 ~or~ use an Infernal Jewel of Venom (+5 Envenom) instead of the Epic, you'll have your +12. Also, if you're especially lucky - try to get your hands on one of the old Master Assassin's Pendants, the old ones still have the original +2 Envenom, but the ones that drop now are +2 Piercing.)

Celtic Dual 15 (Leftover points)

 

[Whandall]

Stealth 40
Blades 36
Envenom 40
CS 39
CD 18


My endspecc if i ever get to 50(doubt it)

Ohh and yes im ubergimped with that

 

[Noche]

40 stealth
39 pierce
44 CS
36 envenom
0 CD

 

[old.Laryssa]

Noche what items do u use to get envenom to 50 or don't u use Lifebane ?

 

[Noche]

+11+3 (rr4)

Best choice´s to have rr5 and then u´ll only need epic glove and DF Jewel (+10)

I´ve got (some nice friend handed it to me) an old master assasin´s pendant (+2 envenom) it´s rare nonetheless.

But since u got only ONE respec u´d rather save it to use later.

At rr6 I´ll prolly low both my envenom and my stealth to 35 (spell craft would get in definately, rr6´s a long way 4 a casual player) and then put more in CD, it helps, but can´t waste points in it atm.

 

[Aussie-]

wtf 40 stealth

why do you need that, hiding from Archers? T_T
Assassin vs Assassin, you'll see eachother nomatter how high your stealth is

drop stealth, raise CD

 

[dexa]

base on rrk 5 i bulided my char but if u like 2 exp fast then build it on rrk3

rrk5
35 percing
35 envenom
35 percing

+ 15 in all 3

44 cs +6
27 cd +7

but after respecc i will do more in cs or percing bc u will do higher min in percing

rrk 3

37
37
37
cs 44
17 in cd


btw aussie not true about assassin vs assasin

and cd is not soo good................................. comperd to higer cs or perc

 

[Noche]

I need to fight vs assasins too... not many goodies in hib +stealth really... but will definatly drop stealth

Meanswhile with safe fall IV... <Jumps from Empire State>

 

[lofff]

rofl

hib is full of gimped ns


36stealth
44blades
44cs
35envenom

that spec needs autotraining stealth to 24 (my lowbie ns almost finished hes autotraining )

ud get stealth and enevenom to 50 easily with itamz and rr, more than 50 is preety useless in both specs, while getting cs and blades over50 increases dmg output.

blades>pierce (heavier so hit harder and also better bonus against dorks due to new armourtables/1.52 )

 

[Noche]

Pierce strong against scout´s armor

Diamond back ownz

Lofff sux

 

[Ebonn]

Atm i have : [numbers in brackets are including RR and itams]

(50)40 stealth,
(50)40 pierce,
(48)42 crit,
(51)37 venom,
(10)4 cd, ( i think )

With respec and RR6 i will have :

(50)35 stealth,
(55)44 pierce,
(56)44 crit,
(50)35 venom,
(7)1 cd,

Or :

(50)35 stealth,
(55)44 pierce,
(51)39 crit,
(50)35 venom,
(26)20 cd,

Or :

(50)35 stealth,
(50)39 pierce,
(56)44 crit,
(50)35 venom,
(26)20 cd,

Or :

(50)35 stealth,
(50)39 pierce,
(51)39 crit,
(50)35 venom,
(35)29 cd,

As you can see havent made my mind up on what pierce/crit to go for, still reserching

As for assasin vs assasin fights when i only had total 48 stealth at lvl 50 , i used to get hit before i even saw them, with a total of 50 i at least see them before they kill me ( although that might have had something to do with playing on a 56k when having 48 stealth which dosnt help ) i would say 48 in total as a minimum.

As for the fact about speccing wep skill to over 50, its true that it increases damage output but.... every point over 50 has very diminshining returns , so its a waste. speccing crit over 50 does not have diminishing returns and funtions as normal,

True that blades may have higher damage per hit, over time peirce will hit for more as shades dont have high str which blades is wholey dependent on, and dimondback is nice although it pales in comparison with the lethal dragonfang ( damm infils )

As for the new armour tables, most of the targets u wil be fighting will be nuetrel ( N ) or resistant ( R ) to blades ( cloth = N, all alb's = N , mid's in chain = R ) which leaves you optimal targets as assasins, now if thats the targets you prefer to hunt then blades *may* be better for you, otherwise pierce is a better all round choice suited to shades.

 

[Envenom2]

why not just leave pierce at 40 spec and go 50 crit?

 

[Ebonn]

to say as you put it have 50 crit, this is the nearest to 50 crit i could get.

35 stealth,
39 pierce,
48 crit,
35 venom,
8 cd, ( left over points )

Now this only gives me an extra 36 damage to my perf cap, but loses 6% chance to hit with off-hand,

So really its a choice between +36 damage cap on perf ( this isnt a extra damage its an extra 36 to max damage ) or +6% to hit with off-hand, and you dont get to perf every fight where as the extra 6% to hit with off-hand applys to every attack.

I could lower pierce to get 50 crit, but that then puts me out of the optimal range for wep specc.
Ohh and i wouldnt go 50 crit, the lvl 50 style does really sucks,

 

[dexa]

ebonn why not 34 in envenom at rrk 6 and even u easy can have 34 in stealht too but its a few ring i rather have then does with + stealht

 

[Ebonn]

Haha this isnt suposed to be a thread about my spec's

but as uve asked i feel compelled to answer

simple reason of the 35 venom is becouse 35+5 (epic gloves) +5(DF jewal) +5 ( realm rank ) gives me 50 and leaves my neck space free for important resist itams. i could put venom down to 34 but the item i would use to do this would not confer any additional bonus's as dex/quick is already capped by other more important itams and imo the additional resists are worth far more than 1 point of envenom.

Same reason with the stealth really, but in this case i may put stealth to 34 but... i need to get hold of a hard to get item, if i did manage to get this item i would have 34 stealth +11 ( items ) +5 ( realm rank ) = 50. and would probly put the extra points saved into CD,

Even though this thread seems to be hijacked by questions about my spec i hope its of some use to you Striglen,

Next question!

 

[old.Laryssa]

btw loff

pierce > blades

got more enemy classes which are vul to pierce.

I don't know if Envenom stays as strong as it was with SC since everyone can max his/her resists than easily

Read on vnBoards that some stopped envenom on 22 and pushed up CD.

 

[Whandall]

Originally posted by Aussie-
wtf 40 stealth

why do you need that, hiding from Archers? T_T
Assassin vs Assassin, you'll see eachother nomatter how high your stealth is

drop stealth, raise CD

stealth 40 = safe fall 3 or was it 4? Well no more falling damage

ohh and stealth over 50 IS usefull - it raises your detection range of other steatlhers. Id like to see enemy infis or sbs before they see me. But thats only my thoughts - i like to be gimped

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by old.Laryssa
btw loff

pierce > blades

got more enemy classes which are vul to pierce.

no.

<points at new 1.52 armourbonus tables>

k

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by Whandall


stealth 40 = safe fall 3 or was it 4? Well no more falling damage

ohh and stealth over 50 IS usefull - it raises your detection range of other steatlhers. Id like to see enemy infis or sbs before they see me. But thats only my thoughts - i like to be gimped

stealth > 36 = waste of points

stealth > 50 totally useless, not raises ur detection blah blah... just useless as envenom > 50 or valor > 50 (thank mythic)

 

[lofff]

and btw laryssa, imho blades>pierce on actual bonus tables too, most close fights any shade will have are against their counterrealm mates (infils and sbs) blades giv bonus against leather, pierce has huge penalty against leather.

 

[Whandall]

Originally posted by lofff


stealth > 36 = waste of points

stealth > 50 totally useless, not raises ur detection blah blah...

Q: Does having stealth higher than 50 affect movement speed while stealthed, damage done in Perforate Artery, and increase your detect hidden range?

A: No, no, and yes.

from: Camelot Herald

 

[old.Laryssa]

Originally posted by lofff
and btw laryssa, imho blades>pierce on actual bonus tables too, most close fights any shade will have are against their counterrealm mates (infils and sbs) blades giv bonus against leather, pierce has huge penalty against leather.

since blades is 100% STR and pierce is 50% STR/DEX you will nerf your base dmg.


Check the Thrust and the Slash rows and you will see what I mean -> Dmg Tables.

And FYI:

Infi > NS since if they evade once u dead due their lvl50 thrust style Dragon fang which results in a 9 sec stun.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Whandall


Q: Does having stealth higher than 50 affect movement speed while stealthed, damage done in Perforate Artery, and increase your detect hidden range?

A: No, no, and yes.

from: Camelot Herald

Aaaah, the wonderful Friday Grab Bag....

Take a look at the one a month later and Sanya makes a typical reversal:

Q: I know that +envenom items work like skill levels, meaning that if I am level 40 and have +10 worth of envenom items equipped, I can then use the 50th level poisons. Is the same true of +stealth items? What good does it do me to go over 50 in stealth?

A: It doesn’t do you any good to go over 50 (50th level is the point at which you have the smallest possible detect radius and the highest possible speed-while-stealthed), but the items can be used in place of skill points to get you to 50, just like envenom.

http://www.camelotherald.com/more/474.php

 

[Noche]

Well lofff, u must know that most of the +stealth items r both lower con and lower bonus.

Not hard to choose between a rogue overlord pendant (1 pierce 1 stealth 7 dex and some quick) and a black diamond pendant with good resists. 8% body and energy and others I tnk.

Resist jewelry > stealth ones.

Learn about NSs a bit more

Sacrificing good jewelry´s a pain, u can´t put striker´s ring if u need more stealth. Tied with + stealth stuff is the worst choice till SC is in.

As some guide mentioned u can reach +11 in pierce with wpns + 5 pierce, but those wpns got LOW effective dps. A crafted 16.5 wpn with 99-100% qual >>>> dropped wpns (but SS)

Till spellcraft is in assuming that u can have both high resists and + skill items´ wrong.

 

[Whandall]

Bah!

/em is confused now

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by Whandall


Q: Does having stealth higher than 50 affect movement speed while stealthed, damage done in Perforate Artery, and increase your detect hidden range?

A: No, no, and yes.

from: Camelot Herald

ok ok i was wrong there still almost useless

 

[lofff]

Q: I know that +envenom items work like skill levels, meaning that if I am level 40 and have +10 worth of envenom items equipped, I can then use the 50th level poisons. Is the same true of +stealth items? What good does it do me to go over 50 in stealth?

A: It doesn’t do you any good to go over 50 (50th level is the point at which you have the smallest possible detect radius and the highest possible speed-while-stealthed), but the items can be used in place of skill points to get you to 50, just like envenom.

or maybe not thx pin

 

[lofff]

since blades is 100% STR and pierce is 50% STR/DEX you will nerf your base dmg.

did u ever checked what u typing...

sorry to say its not true and blade ns do higher dmg per swing (and their crits are harder) than pierce ones... just cos there are heavier blades than piercers, albs get sum heavy piercers... hibs dont

and yes infil = sb > ns (at least thats their whine, 1.52 gives ns a hand)but that was not the topic... keep clear u wont ever kill an infil or sb (altho theyr gimped) if u gimp urself.

So slash gives u bonus against sbs and neutral against infils, while --->both are resistant to pierce<--- ns is only vulnerable to crush... get a good spec and ud keel sum infils and sbs.

U dont need to improve ur dmg against scouts or hunters as theyr dead anyway... they cant do nothing but try to run... (go envenoms department to avoid runners k thx) ud mostly pick casters so ud b neutral to em but CRITTING HARDER with slash...
ud rather like all albs neutral than most of em resistant, ud rather attack mid sbs hunters and even zerkers(well me meself wont atack a zerker.) than healers or tanks (u cant kill a healer and badly ud kill a heavy tank.)


ehm check that tables again plz... those tables support slash > trusth...

and that v.nice style form infils has been topic of whines for months, but still... assasin vs assasin is more about who stabs the other...