Lily Allen

[soze]

yea, but at least his music wasnt decent. hers suck ass, although yus i wouldnt a go on her :england:

I like her music its easy to listen to and makes me smile. I also love her voice I would have a go to a depending on how good she was i might even let her make me breakfast in bed the nex day.

Her album was release 17th July 06 and is still in the top 10 she must be doing something right.

 

[cHodAX]

Her album was release 17th July 06 and is still in the top 10 she must be doing something right.

So basically you are saying 3 million chavs can't be wrong?

 

[soze]

So basically you are saying 3 million chavs can't be wrong?

No im saying for the love of god stop pirating all the good music

 

[Wonk]

she's shite tbh.

One of the only english artists I ever listen to, is Mike Skinner. Mostly his old stuff though.

 

[Mojo]

I wouldn't turn up the radio if they played her music but I wouldn't switch it off either.

 

[Everz]

I like her music its easy to listen to and makes me smile. I also love her voice I would have a go to a depending on how good she was i might even let her make me breakfast in bed the nex day.

Her album was release 17th July 06 and is still in the top 10 she must be doing something right.

so what people will buy anything.. even Vanilla Ice's To the Extreme sold 15mil since it release and that the biggest bag of shite ever

 

[Azurus]

so what people will buy anything.. even Vanilla Ice's To the Extreme sold 15mil since it release and that the biggest bag of shite ever

In your opinion....

A song selling that many records must be doing something right, even if it does not fill the pre-determined expectations of the modern pretentious music fan e.g. insightful lyrics, a message in the song.

There is nothing wrong with a song being catchy for the sake of it, if it entertains people then it can only be a good thing.

 

[Chronictank]

So basically you are saying 3 million chavs can't be wrong?

3 million chavs outnumber you, seeing as "taste" is dictated by the majority... you are indeed the one with shit taste in music

Note: I dont particularly like her music just pointint out if indeed the general concensus (sp?) is that she is good, then the minority are the ones in the wrong regardless of your opinion

In your opinion....

A song selling that many records must be doing something right, even if it does not fill the pre-determined expectations of the modern pretentious music fan e.g. insightful lyrics, a message in the song.

There is nothing wrong with a song being catchy for the sake of it, if it entertains people then it can only be a good thing.[/QUOTE
rep for having a bit of common sense

 

[cHodAX]

3 million chavs outnumber you, seeing as "taste" is dictated by the majority... you are indeed the one with shit taste in music

Note: I dont particularly like her music just pointint out if indeed the general concensus (sp?) is that she is good, then the minority are the ones in the wrong regardless of your opinion

Really? So 3 million is the majority of the music buying public in the U.K.?

Would like to make another post and make yourself look even more foolish?

There is no accounting for taste. How many copies of 'Barbie Girl' did Aqua manage to sell? You telling me that was a good song as well?

I can post examples all day pal.

 

[Azurus]

Really? So 3 million is the majority of the music buying public in the U.K.?

Would like to make another post and make yourself look even more foolish?

If you look at the charts which are based on sales she has been charting consistently highly, therefore i would argue that she has a large amount of support from the music buying public.

Taste is a lucid concept, sales are definite.

 

[cHodAX]

If you look at the charts which are based on sales she has been charting consistently highly, therefore i would argue that she has a large amount of support from the music buying public.

Taste is a lucid concept, sales are definite.

Yes she has support, from a sizeable minority of morons. The same morons that go out and smash the town up at weekends, the same idiots who adore the wankers on Big Brother and treat them like gods. Seriously, there is no accounting for taste and there will always be shit dominating the charts because the ignorant uneducated masses will buy it and the sheep that follow trends/fashion will get dragged along in the wake.

Sales mean fuck all, or are you trying to tell me that the likes of Girls Aloud are groundbreaking artists with amazing amounts of talent?

 

[Chronictank]

Really? So 3 million is the majority of the music buying public in the U.K.?

Would like to make another post and make yourself look even more foolish?

There is no accounting for taste. How many copies of 'Barbie Girl' did Aqua manage to sell? You telling me that was a good song as well?

I can post examples all day pal.

Note: I dont particularly like her music just pointint out if indeed the general concensus (sp?) is that she is good, then the minority are the ones not (correction) in the wrong regardless of your opinion

I dont claim 3 million or whatever her sales are, are the majority of the public.. i used it merely as an example to illustrate a point (which was pretty obviously missed, so i apologise for any miscommunication), and re-iterated that in the statement above.

That said, Aqua Barbie girl was at #1 for a reasonable lenght of time if i remember correctly, if the album was equally high in the charts then yes Aqua is in fact regarded by the majority of paying public (the ones that count) as good music. Therefore by majority concensus Aqua is good music and your opinion on it is irrelevant

You can throw as many examples as you like just replace Aqua above with any band you like the same will hold true

 

[Bahumat]

EDIT:- bah, cba to get involved.

*hopes no one has quoted his previous post*

 

[Nate]

I wanna push a pillar off a church so it smashes her ugly arogant fucking face much like in Hot Fuzz with the reporter.

That little shit scrotum is a waste of space with her chavvy appearance and dull tones. She seeps arrogance and flames other celebrities to get in the papers.
If i could commit the perfect face obliteration (and get away with it) then she'd be in my Top 5...now where's that Hammer.

*jumps up and down on Bahu's hopes*

 

[Azurus]

Yes she has support, from a sizeable minority of morons. The same morons that go out and smash the town up at weekends, the same idiots who adore the wankers on Big Brother and treat them like gods. Seriously, there is no accounting for taste and there will always be shit dominating the charts because the ignorant uneducated masses will buy it and the sheep that follow trends/fashion will get dragged along in the wake.

Sales mean fuck all, or are you trying to tell me that the likes of Girls Aloud are groundbreaking artists with amazing amounts of talent?

wow stop being such a snob. She gets alot of her support from the NME crowd as well as pop fans in general, same people who buy the Kaiser chiefs etc.

If you start basing your opinion of a musician on your narrow minded view of their fans you are the ignorant one.

 

[cHodAX]

Therefore by majority concensus Aqua is good music and your opinion on it is irrelevant

You can throw as many examples as you like just replace Aqua above with any band you like the same will hold true

Or it could just be that you don't have a clue and are justifying people buying rubbish by spouting absolute drivel.

The majority of people don't buy this shit, therefore the majority consensus cannot be determined. As for my opinion being irrelevant again you are wrong, I buy alot of music but I don't support populist artists just because it is the 'in' thing to do, sadly the same can't be said for a few million of my fellow countrymen and women. That entitles me an opinion and there are a great many people who totally agree with me, sadly the media constantly pander to this minority of the listening audience because it sells merchandise and that draws in advertising revenue. It has nothing to do with talent or ability, fashions sell products and it is all about making money, artistic integrity got a bullet between the eyes because it didn't make the corporations enough money.

Just because something is popular doesn't make it good, George W Bush won 51% of the vote and has taken his country into 2 wars where thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's have died. I guess because the majority voted for him in two elections he must be doing a good job though?

33 million Americans watch American Idol every week so it must be a great show and far better than the shows that only get 5 million viewers.

Seriously, you point holds no water whatsoever. You are arguing for the sake of arguement and nothing more.

 

[cHodAX]

wow stop being such a snob. She gets alot of her support from the NME crowd as well as pop fans in general, same people who buy the Kaiser chiefs etc.

If you start basing your opinion of a musician on your narrow minded view of their fans you are the ignorant one.

You said it all there. The NME crowd, the fashion music snobs who praise anything new and different and then burn the house down when the second album isn't quite as good as the first. A bunch of wankers who live or die by the word of half a dozen aging journos who are desperate to appear cool to keep sales of the paper high. They are the biggest bandwagon jumpers of the lot, not like the NME of the 80's that actually started trends by exposing people to new and interesting sounds. Those bastards would sell thier grannies best china for another 10,000 subscriptions.

 

[Azurus]

You said it all there. The NME crowd, the fashion music snobs who praise anything new and different and then burn the house down when the second album isn't quite as good as the first. A bunch of wankers who live or die by the word of half a dozen aging journos who are desperate to appear cool to keep sales of the paper high. They are the biggest bandwagon jumpers of the lot, not like the NME of the 80's that actually started trends by exposing people to new and interesting sounds. Those bastards would sell thier grannies best china for another 10,000 subscriptions.

I agree with you. They reviewed the Killers first album and gave it a low rating, then just cos it sold a bunch of copies they re-reviewed it and gave it a 9/10 i think. I was merely stating that as you seemed to be so misinformed at the type of people who buy her records.

I personally think her music is crap, if you look through my posts i have never said i like her, however i can see why people would, her songs are 'catchy' and inofensive, which is basically all you need to make it in modern music.

I dont however see this as a bad thing, it gives people enjoyment and if you don't like it you can always.... not listen to it?

 

[cHodAX]

I agree with you. They reviewed the Killers first album and gave it a low rating, then just cos it sold a bunch of copies they re-reviewed it and gave it a 9/10 i think. I was merely stating that as you seemed to be so misinformed at the type of people who buy her records.

I read alot of the music press bud, I just don't base my opinions on it because I know that reviewers are always being swayed by fashion/politics/sales. I listen to a huge variety of music, my tastes are very diverse. I just don't like Lily Allen's music because it does nothing at all for me musically or lyrically, I also have a great distaste for her personally as she seems to costantly be courting media attention by slagging people off. I honestly don't see any merit in her work and I question her integrity as well. Her lyrics portray her as a working class girl who has experienced that world, the truth is very different though. Her daddy is a rich former socialist living a grand house and his kids all went to public schools. She has no idea of how working class people live beyond what she sees on TV and hears from other people. To be blunt, she is a fake living off the current trendyness of being working class. If she wrote about her own actual experiences in life I might actually be inclined to give her a chance but that won't happen because upper-middle class just isn't 'cool' and doesn't sell.

 

[Chronictank]

Or it could just be that you don't have a clue and are justifying people buying rubbish by spouting absolute drivel.

The only one spouting drivel is you

The majority of people don't buy this shit, therefore the majority consensus cannot be determined.

The majority consensus is determined by sales, theres no magic behind it, its as simple as that.
The music charts are a reflection of those sales, therefore the music charts are a reflection of the majority sales

As for my opinion being irrelevant again you are wrong, I buy alot of music but I don't support populist artists just because it is the 'in' thing to do, sadly the same can't be said for a few million of my fellow countrymen and women. That entitles me an opinion and there are a great many people who totally agree with me, sadly the media constantly pander to this minority of the listening audience because it sells merchandise and that draws in advertising revenue. It has nothing to do with talent or ability, fashions sell products and it is all about making money, artistic integrity got a bullet between the eyes because it didn't make the corporations enough money.

Complete crap, the media doesnt buy all the albums to push the entries up the chart, which are based on sales of records.
As i said on the outset, the majority of people that matter, the so called silent majorirty you are ranting about are either downloading illegally or dont exist, in both cases their opinions are worthless. Otherwise their downloads/purchases would be reflected in the music charts, which are independant on who is on the front of the Sun..

Just because something is popular doesn't make it good, George W Bush won 51% of the vote and has taken his country into 2 wars where thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's have died. I guess because the majority voted for him in two elections he must be doing a good job though?

Irrelevant example, all a matter of opinion. In the US its obvious what opinion they took at the time, his subsequent actions dont matter in the slightest. What does matter is at the time he was regarded as a better choice, and at the time he was a better choice IN THE OPINION OF THE 51% MAJORITY

33 million Americans watch American Idol every week so it must be a great show and far better than the shows that only get 5 million viewers.

Indeed it does, in your opinion it may not be, but if it is getting the majority rating on a prime time slot according to the MAJORITY it is a good show based on the measurement by which TV shows are rated.

Seriously, you point holds no water whatsoever. You are arguing for the sake of arguement and nothing more.

You have made no points whatsoever that have any relevance to the argument at hand.
The world doesnt revolve around your opinions, nor people like yourself's opinions unless you happen to be the majority voice

Anyway uni time, this is a pointless argument so little point carrying it on anyway

 

[Azurus]

I read alot of the music press bud, I just don't base my opinions on it because I know that reviewers are always being swayed by fashion/politics/sales. I listen to a huge variety of music, my tastes are very diverse. I just don't like Lily Allen's music because it does nothing at all for me musically or lyrically, I also have a great distaste for her personally as she seems to costantly be courting media attention by slagging people off. I honestly don't see any merit in her work and I question her integrity as well. Her lyrics portray her as a working class girl who has experienced that world, the truth is very different though. Her daddy is a rich former socialist living a grand house and his kids all went to public schools. She has no idea of how working class people live beyond what she sees on TV and hears from other people. To be blunt, she is a fake living off the current trendyness of being working class. If she wrote about her own actual experiences in life I might actually be inclined to give her a chance but that won't happen because upper-middle class just isn't 'cool' and doesn't sell.

Even if people do base their tastes on what the press say (i personally don't and never will) it doesn't render the fact they take enjoyment from the music invalid.

We are basically in agreement tbh.

 

[tris-]

Yes she has support, from a sizeable minority of morons. The same morons that go out and smash the town up at weekends, the same idiots who adore the wankers on Big Brother and treat them like gods.

eee gads you smelly manc, calm down dear!

i like her and do nothing as you described there

i actually hate big brother and 'reality' tv we get, i also hate people who smash the town up.

 

[cHodAX]

Anyway uni time, this is a pointless argument so little point carrying it on anyway

It is only pointless because you made it so. You justify your whole arguement on the basis that the majority can't be wrong and yet history has proven otherwise on a multitude of occasions. What makes it even more ridiculous though is that we are talking about Lily Allen, I estimated her album sales at 3 million then I found out the laughable truth, 523,000 copies in 2006. I said she was minority earlier but I didn't realise just how small that minority was, the album was 29th best selling album of 2006 in the U.K. far far behind those musical powerhouses Westlife. Seems even some chavs have better taste than paying for her mubbled musings.

She was ignored by the Mecury Awards and rightly so, there were far more deserving artists out there who can actual sing well and hold a tune.

 

[cHodAX]

eee gads you smelly manc, calm down dear!

i like her and do nothing as you described there

i actually hate big brother and 'reality' tv we get, i also hate people who smash the town up.

You are just a nutter though Tris, that writes off a multitude of sins

 

[Varna]

I think that you don't have to-be famous to-be a talented artist, in my home town I see alot of talent but they would rather enjoy playing small intimate gigs - talent doesnt always require you to be famous. I enjoy Allen's lyrics and I like the fact she's different in her style, pop far too often gets dull and regardless fresh music is always welcomed in my book, which is why I like Jamie T so much aswell, his lyrics are funny and it links up with alot of grime which is also an interesting concept in regards to mash-ups which alot of people don't like but I can understand why, personal opinions obviously.

 

[Castus]

Never was a lyric from Tim Dog's 'Fuck Compton' more appropriate...

'Shut the fuck up bitch, you can't sing'

This will be very appropriate for your Download Festival visit then! make a T Shirt and get some velcro letters so you can spellout each bands name as they play and 'sing' :kissit:

 

[Mojo]

in my home town I see alot of talent but they would rather enjoy playing small intimate gigs

They would rather be playing to stadiums and earning millions. They just tell people they prefer smaller intimate gigs and a life of poverty cos it justifies their existence.

 

[NikonL]

Personally I would rather weld my ears shut than listen to a Lily Allen song. This is based partly on the fact that i dislike her sing-song tone that reminds me of the girls singing on the coach when we were going on school trips *shudder* and partly because she seems to be just another spoiled brat pretending to slum it to make money. Plus anyone who throws a hissy fit because she beleives she DESERVES to win an award doesn't deserve a single record sale in my book.

That said, I don't deny people the right to listen to music if it pushes their buttons. You will have to surrender your testicles though so they can be sent to someone more deserving

 

[Chronictank]

It is only pointless because you made it so. You justify your whole arguement on the basis that the majority can't be wrong and yet history has proven otherwise on a multitude of occasions.

-snip-
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no i base my conclusion on something quantitative (i.e. record sales)
you base your whole argument on
"she is rubbish because i say so"

that is the difference in our opinions, i personally couldnt care less what she does or did i dont listen to her music but at the same time i have a grasp of the concept that in order to measure how "good" something is it needs to be done against something that can be measured not plucked out the sky
Seeing as music is completely subjective your whole argument of "history has proven otherwise" is incorrect.

In fact i would be very interested on what spcification you judge something to be "good" music, and how your theory would apply to a chart to reflect the "real" measure of how good a band is

 

[Bahumat]

*jumps up and down on Bahu's hopes*

haha its not that post i was on about!