If I'm not terribly mistaken, recent scientific theories suggest that at a very basic level it's random which direction electrons go. This would mean that everything is based on luck/randomness. It does not however mean that the consequences of pre-determinism are gone. After all everything but electrons is still determined.tris- said:but dont you ever wonder of the events that have had to occur for you to do something?
im in two minds at the minute. im a firm believer in pre determinism. but now i think is there possibly some element of chance?
to think of how complex everything is for an event to occur, im more inclined to believe its all pre determined.
there is so many out comes you could expect from a single event except only one of them can and will ever happen.
Pookha: it isn't that easy to deny pre-determinism. On a reasonable/scientific level it's impossible. You can only deny it on a religious/philosophical level. You say it is pre-determined whether or not I'll fall in love, the person with who, where, etc would be pre-determined as well. How would you say it is luck?
It is not luck in a pre-determined view. You forgot your keys because you were born as someone who easily forgets things. You forgot your keys this specific day (as you don't always forget everything) because e.g. your mother died and you were thinking about her. The fact that your mother died isn't random either, it can perfectly be explained scientifcally.Hansmoleman said:such as you meeting your new girlfriend can be luck, you could leave your keys at home go back out of your way for 1 minute and then bump into them thats lucky
To be honest, I don't know whether pre-determinism is true or not. I've come to realise though that it doesn't matter at all. The same rules apply whether we live in a pre-determined world or not.