Let's face it!

[Wuren]

Cant you fucking read?

I did answer your question regarding if im happy (that mids is nothing without NP).

come take it at primetime, just so u know mid "primetime" is from 18:00CET-22:00CET otherwise we have pressing RL engagements....

If you are meaning that as a question try use a next time.

But yes, most likley you will lose it during "prime time".

 

[cerberan]

Thx!
will be a nice evening for mids then, rp´s just flowing in

 

[old.Charonel]

hmmm. that kinda depends on whether your gonna bother actually looking for an inc relic force, if i remember right the albs got your strength relic right smack in the middle of primetime with 15fg's and weren't even spotted until your relic went nuteral, now since HIBBY spotted them the second they came out of their pk in odin's, you should be substantially ashamed.

nightime raids didnt lose you your relics, lack of bothering to defend your own frontier did, and if you lot are too useless to even TRY to get them back (becuase i certainly havent heared of mids at dagda in a LONG time apart from the other night when you did your little coward act) at primetime, and would rather just do it when were asleep, then i guess it tells everything anyone needs to know about the current high level players in midgard and the current alliance.

sure, your new alliance can take a relic....at night, ffs at least cutting edge made sure there was a fight put up from midgard, your new alliance can't even muster the courage to even TRY to do that much, rather you let your realm get bent over in primetime and just hide behind the border keeps, then when all the other realms have gone to bed you come and steal relics from npc guards, nice going.

as i said before, this kinda thing hurts your own realm as well as everyone elses, and if you want a dead rvr scene then by all means your doing exactly what you need to get it, personally if i were you i'd look at the bigger picture.

THAT said though, we did get stomped at nottmoor yesterday in primetime... now if you can keep fielding forces like that for some usefull purpose when the actual invaders are ingame then goody, maybe you'll do some good, but if you just keep those forces and only do anything usefull with them at 5am when you have no chance of resistance then i think you'll have just happily f*cked up your realm, well done

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Wuren
lol you had to prove it was possible to take a undefended keep? man you sunk real low without NP

Hmm...the genaral thougths about NP anb Midgard was that they didn't care for anything else than farming RP. The guys are good at what they do, but face it...it's a long time since NP actually made a difference for Midgard as a Realm. They may have given the 1337 dudes from alb/hib a good time in Emain, but sadly left very little to the Realm.

Make no mistake I have no grudge with NP, but I think that the time they spend here could have been more devoted to the Realm.

 

[Wuren]

To me it looks like they made RvR possible for other mids in Emain, nowdays you cant even make it past MMG due to the lack of GOOD players. Guess in the end they probably got bored playing with all you idiots

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by old.Charonel
hmmm. that kinda depends on whether your gonna bother actually looking for an inc relic force, if i remember right the albs got your strength relic right smack in the middle of primetime with 15fg's and weren't even spotted until your relic went nuteral, now since HIBBY spotted them the second they came out of their pk in odin's, you should be substantially ashamed.

Hmm...they did a relicraid knowing that many lvl 50's in mid were playing Gorre for PvP. They took advatage of this.

Originally posted by old.Charonel

as i said before, this kinda thing hurts your own realm as well as everyone elses, and if you want a dead rvr scene then by all means your doing exactly what you need to get it, personally if i were you i'd look at the bigger picture.

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Well that facts are...and I don't want to offend anyone...that if Mids had gone for a primetime attack on Dagda they would have failed 99% of the time. Not only do they need to defeate the hibs they also need to get past the UBER alb zerg that roams Emain during your so called Primetime. It is so easy for you Hibs to say all this primetime BS, but you know the facts and you want those relics for yourself. When did you take the relic from us?? I know I was sleeping and read it on BW at work the day after.

I fail to see how this hurts our realm...your whining actually makes it even more fun.

The big picture is that this is a 24/7 game. We started the attack on keep the first keep around 06.30 CET and we took the last relic arround 09.30 CET (a majority play under CET). Thats about the same time you have to log for getting a grp in Malmo.

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by Runolaz
When did you take the relic from us??

We left Hib tk in Odin's around 21-22 gmt.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Wuren
To me it looks like they made RvR possible for other mids in Emain, nowdays you cant even make it past MMG due to the lack of GOOD players. Guess in the end they probably got bored playing with all you idiots

What a bunch of BS...the reason Mids struggle to come out in Emain is because the numbers of Alb's camping MMG some days are too much. They outnumber us 3:1 and often more. A group NP would not have made any difference at all.

You can call us n00bs or what ever, because I don't think any of us gives a flying fuck what you think of us.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Wuren


We left Hib tk in Odin's around 21-22 gmt.

You sure you don't mixing it up with your first atempts that failed.

 

[agreiloth]

Charonel, you have valid points, and yes i think as you that if we keep doing "offtime" raids it can have a negative effect on our server. BUT i see the raid we did as something that saved our realm from self destruction. Alot of people where getting rdy to leave mid/daoc 'cause of the alliance/relic situation on mid, and they were really bored with emain (me incl.)

The alb primetime raid is good example on how bad the mid situation is (i hope was), compare that to the forces you met yesterday in Odins? a difference? i hope you noticed....

I hope from now on this means that we can do some serious and fun RRs in primetime for the joy of us all....

If not i REALLY fear the fate of Excalibur.. how much fun is RvR really if one realm doen't really care about relics/keeps? For me that would be the death of DAoC for me, and I might as well go reactivate my AO account, but perhaps thats what you'r looking for?

/Agreiloth

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btw this doesn't mean offtime raids won't ever happen again, as i still think its part of the game, and as long as it's not overused as a norm on how RRs should be performed, i dont think itll hurt excal..

</edit>

 

[old.Rei Ayanami]

Please non-mids, get your facts straight. NP stopped organising relic raids along time ago. Sub tried once or twice i believe, nothing else i know of.

They attended the ones others organised, so before u start flaming ppl get some insight. And could u keep the talk to the topic and not personal issues?

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by agreiloth
Charonel, you have valid points, and yes i think as you that if we keep doing "offtime" raids it can have a negative effect on our server. BUT i see the raid we did as something that saved our realm from self destruction. Alot of people where getting rdy to leave mid/daoc 'cause of the alliance/relic situation on mid, and they were really bored with emain (me incl.)

The alb primetime raid is good example on how bad the mid situation is (i hope was), compare that to the forces you met yesterday in Odins? a difference? i hope you noticed....

I hope from now on this means that we can do some serious and fun RRs in primetime for the joy of us all....

If not i REALLY fear the fate of Excalibur.. how much fun is RvR really if one realm doen't really care about relics/keeps? For me that would be the death of DAoC for me, and I might as well go reactivate my AO account, but perhaps thats what you'r looking for?

/Agreiloth

<edit>

btw this doesn't mean offtime raids won't ever happen again, as i still think its part of the game, and as long as it's not overused as a norm on how RRs should be performed, i dont think itll hurt excal..

</edit>

thank you, this is what i've been trying to explain all along.

 

[k9awya]

Originally posted by old.Rei Ayanami
Please non-mids, get your facts straight. NP stopped organising relic raids along time ago. Sub tried once or twice i believe, nothing else i know of.

They attended the ones others organised, so before u start flaming ppl get some insight. And could u keep the talk to the topic and not personal issues?

what the hell is your problem?

 

[subski]

/q
log in randomslanlvl1char in Keep Excalibur

maybe? :x
doesnt have to be a spy account etc.

 

[old.Rei Ayanami]

Originally posted by old.-k9-

what the hell is your problem?

Trying to actually get a decent thread going here, without all the sidetopics and flames. Seems it's impossible

Trying to make people think, not flame people.

 

[Armolas]

Originally posted by agreiloth
So ur basicly saying if u arent part of a large alliance you shouldnt go on planning RRs? So only the big bad boys are allowed to play and plan RRs... not all guilds wants to be a part of the Nolby og CE alliances, so they have to work with what they got.

I'll switch ur question around.. all the peeps not a part of the bigger alliances should be left out of that wich make DAoC special? namely relics....

And no the big boys dont invíte the small boys wich mean we ALLWAYS hear about RRs AFTER they've taken place :\.

So the only way to be part of one, is to make one... and going on a RR primetime is kindda useless if ur 45-50 mids... so we did the only thing we could namely early morning raid where we actually did something other that dieing..... you may not like it, but so be it...

I paying for this game, and just because im not "in" with the big boys it doesn't mean I'm not allowed play....


Sorry for the inconvenience.......

/Agreiloth

Well thats not how it works here, and it shouldn't be how it works there - here on a relic raid all guilds are invited regardless of which alliance they are in - as long as they have a few players over the 45 ish mark they can help. We work (or fail to work) as a team; there has been no relic raids from hibs involving just one alliance. We have two big alliances here, and one small one, and they all come (maybe this helps explain why Albs tend to know about the raids before we even leave DL, but its still more fun IMO, which is what counts).

 

[kameh]

Originally posted by Armolas


Well thats not how it works here, and it shouldn't be how it works there - here on a relic raid all guilds are invited regardless of which alliance they are in - as long as they have a few players over the 45 ish mark they can help. We work (or fail to work) as a team; there has been no relic raids from hibs involving just one alliance. We have two big alliances here, and one small one, and they all come (maybe this helps explain why Albs tend to know about the raids before we even leave DL, but its still more fun IMO, which is what counts).

Surely you'll also have fun taking the relics back? or trying to? If it's truely fun your after..

I'd also like to point out that if 45-50 mids get bored they can go do whatever the hell they want without asking permission from anyone in thier own alliance/another alliance or another realm. They pay to play the game too, I'm very sorry that the hibs seem to be so damn upset about losing 2 made up non-existant relics time of day doesnt matter, it's a 24/7 game and if there's people who can only play at 4am, why on earth shouldnt they take a relic if they're able to?

 

[Armolas]

Originally posted by kameh


Surely you'll also have fun taking the relics back? or trying to? If it's truly fun your after..

I'd also like to point out that if 45-50 mids get bored they can go do whatever the hell they want without asking permission from anyone in their own alliance/another alliance or another realm. They pay to play the game too, I'm very sorry that the hibs seem to be so damn upset about losing 2 made up non-existent relics time of day doesn't matter, it's a 24/7 game and if there's people who can only play at 4am, why on earth shouldn't they take a relic if they're able to?

Well thats true, I wasn't actually complaining about the raid - more commiserating with the guys who get left out of the plans for raids, I know they have done a few attempts on Excalibur in prime time, and I think it is not good if those raids were restricted to one alliance, and left others out in the cold.

All three realms have taken relics late at night, although I think Hibs only did it in retaliation for one the Albs did (although Mids will complain that 1:30 is out of hours etc. I don't think it is). I don't have a problem with that, although Tzee is probably right about what will happen if it becomes the normal thing.

I personally thought the Mids would have to wait till Xmas day to do another "world-cup" type raid, but they did pull a late night raid off a couple of months ago as well, so I should have know better.

(BTW that last comment was tongue-in-cheek, I know they can do it any time if they organise, although obviously a lot more prime time raids fail than succeed but they have had a few goes at Excal in the last few months).

 

[Nattrún]

Listen.

There was a relic raid. It was done by a relatively small force of people from a small guild alliance at, yes, an ungodly hour of the morning. It probably couldn't have been done at another time, because Midgard -is- one of the smallest realms, and Midgard had -no- relics to boost their RvR performance, and if it'd been done at 'primetime', whatever that means, the Midgard force would have been hopelessly outnumbered. Tactics wouldn't have been an issue - the relic raid force would have arrived in Valhalla still singed around the ears and smoking from the breastplate.

Yes, it was very early on a Saturday morning. Yes, it was done at that time precisely because there would be few from the other realms about. I'm not defending that. I didn't take part in it.

But I -am- glad the relics are in Midgard now. Why? Because it probably means Midgardians will have more of a reason to bother going out there and RvRing now. Because it means the underdogs - and you can't deny that we are just that - have a slightly better chance of making an impact. More of a challenge for the rest of you lot, sort of thing.

Can't we just get on with the game, and stop calling each other names?


--
Nattrun Bergsveinsdottir, kobold Skald of 39 seasons -- Excalibur.

 

[old.Charonel]

Originally posted by agreiloth
compare that to the forces you met yesterday in Odins? a difference? i hope you noticed....

oooh yeah, i noticed, last night was impressive, tonight was downright scary, that little "sea of trolls" trick you pulled off on us at the odin's hmg was just nasty

made a nice change to see a mid zerg rather than an alb one anyway

 

[old.Glendower]

LOL@killrake

I saw that too Wuren.

Killrake has like 3 accounts worth of alts.

What I found most amusing was that list of alts coupled with his statement "get a life". lol =)

 

[Runolaz]

Re: LOL@killrake

Originally posted by old.Glendower
I saw that too Wuren.

Killrake has like 3 accounts worth of alts.

What I found most amusing was that list of alts coupled with his statement "get a life". lol =)

Actually I think he has 4 accounts.

I find it amusing to read all the hib 1337 dude's whining over and over again.

You should couple "get a life" with Tzeentch endless whining.

PS! And getting chars to lvl 30+ with shaman/healer etc does not take that much time you know...

 

[old.Nol]

Re: Re: LOL@killrake

Originally posted by Runolaz


Actually I think he has 4 accounts.

I find it amusing to read all the hib 1337 dude's whining over and over again.

You should couple "get a life" with Tzeentch endless whining.

PS! And getting chars to lvl 30+ with shaman/healer etc does not take that much time you know...

are you whining about tzee's whining?

 

[Arnor]

I dare someone(alb/hib) to try to take a relic at a set date, some time we all can agree on, and all are aware of. taking a defended relic keep is nigh impossible. (especially with 250 unanon albs in excal last raid)

 

[Runolaz]

Re: Re: Re: LOL@killrake

Originally posted by old.Nol


are you whining about tzee's whining?

nope...just stating facts

 

[old.Nol]

Re: Re: Re: Re: LOL@killrake

Originally posted by Runolaz


nope...just stating facts

That's a matter of opinion.

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by Runolaz
Mids have lost their relics all too none-primtime raids (week days after 24.00CET), and I think it's about time we "figth fire with fire". What fun is it too have two relms with 3 relics each on one that has none.

This is a wildly incorrect statement. All of the relics inside Castle Excalibur have been taken during prime time (please stop dodging this issue, "prime time" is defined as period of time when the majority of players are online, it's very simple). This also applied to all of the power relics that were kept inside Dun Dagda.

 

[Sibanac]

Originally posted by Arnor2
(especially with 250 unanon albs in excal last raid)

Care to tell us how you know that number ?

 

[agreiloth]

Originally posted by Belomar
This is a wildly incorrect statement. All of the relics inside Castle Excalibur have been taken during prime time (please stop dodging this issue, "prime time" is defined as period of time when the majority of players are online, it's very simple). This also applied to all of the power relics that were kept inside Dun Dagda.

Uhhm thats a funny way to account for primetime, so if 800 albs r online 500 mids and 400 hibs are online and thats gives the greatest total for a day its primetime? I think not.... thats your primetime.... primetime is when all realms even out in numbers(and the highest total) of players online (then its fair for all, and only then).... maybe serverstats can help us find primetime...

/Agreiloth

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by agreiloth
Uhhm thats a funny way to account for primetime, so if 800 albs r online 500 mids and 400 hibs are online and thats gives the greatest total for a day its primetime? I think not.... thats your primetime.... primetime is when all realms even out in numbers(and the highest total) of players online (then its fair for all, and only then).... maybe serverstats can help us find primetime...

Again dodging the issue. Like I said, prime time is very simple: it's the time when most people play. It's not an absolute thing, it's not something you'd go out and measure, it's not something that has anything to do with "fairness", it's something you'd normally associate with common sense. And I think that most people, if asked without this relic raid coloring their perception, would say that prime time lies somewhere in the range of 18.00 CET to 00.00 CET.