Let's face it!

[old.Rei Ayanami]

Ok, look around you people... It's almost impossible to take a relic nowadays primetime.

Odin's Gate: Always mids around out there
Hadrian's Wall: Often albs out there, and even more near their relic keep in Sauvage.
Emain/hib frontier: Try and get a 50+ ppl army to Breifine, Mt. collory or Gorge without getting noticed either by albs who will grab the chance or hibs who will be alert.... tis impossible

I've been on a few raids in albion, and this is how it goes:

I'm sitting in albion with my SB, having a good time keeping an eye on the inside of Castle Excalibur. The forces of midgard has captured Caer bla bla bla. 20 sec later 2 x Grey conn albs pop and keep an eye on the relic. They don't leave till all alb keeps are in alb hands.
Now i'm not the most active players in midgard and i don't sit around Dagda having fun so i don't know the circumstances there, but i sure as hell know that spy accounts just to protect a relic is lame. (This isn't ment as flame for the albs)

Don't get me wrong here, and i think that nightraids are the most lame thing u can do, but since excalibur is like that atm... the chance is so small, and you have to be sooo lucky to make it work. I know you've made succesful raids in daytime, but how many failed onces have u also made? Sometimes needs comes before honour.
I'm against nighttime raids 100%, and tbh... i never attend them. But ppl get desperate and want what's theirs back, so they take have to get it somehow. And in this case they had to do it when it was possible to move a big army without hibs and albs seeing it.
Ok, we flamed albs for doing nightime raids, we flamed hibs for doing nighttime raids and we now do it ourselves... But what done is done. Now we've all been bad boys/girls and deserve the spanking we're gonna get, but don't whine about it please.

In short, i wish we'd gotten the relic in daytime, but relics are pingpong objects don't cry about it, it will do you no good. Just show the other realms how to raid. You can't be a saint all the time, and you know it. If you had the chance, you'd probably grab it too.

Hope i made sense in some awkward way and made the slimy things in your head work. If i didn't, darnit... too bad

 

[agreiloth]

wise words indeed, and i respect your decision not to join in on late/early relic raids... but i still fail to see the difference in a 10-11 pm raid and 7 am raid. For some people 10-11 pm is just as bad or worse than 7 am.

But i do hope that all us middies can join forces and try a nice primetime relicraid that would be awesome... only prob. is the zonecrashes when all those damn albies zone ....

comon mibs lets arrange a epicscale RR i primetime.. gogogogogo

/Agreiloth

 

[Slatko]

AAnother whinner dog

 

[old.Tzeentch]

ok, lets say we all do night raids

15rams = 90g x 15 = 1.35plat

thats not much..

so, if we all do these raids, we can virtually guarantee the relics will switch realms on an almost daily basis...

now, after a week or two, people just arent gonna give a fuck about repairing doors, or maintaining a watch.. eventually no one will really care about relic battles anymore.. after all, if you can grab them at 5am in the morning, whats the fucking point in amassing troops, strategies, if it can be done with virtually no effort, but at an awkward time?

and so on and so on, 1-2months later, relic battles are dead, no one gives a fuck, why bother reclaiming keeps...
and.. rvr changes completely, and a lot of people will simply quit the game, because they just dont want to participate in a game where they are not in a position to actually participate.

ah well.. i dont know what 'need' this is you speak of.. but there's what i think will happen, if you guys keep putting across that somehow its ok.. sure, it's only a game, and they are only relics in a game, but hey, we play this game.. no fun if you cant even be at the major events.

server has around 1800 people during the day usually.

but about 40-50 of you decided to leave all those guys out of the fun for..what? some relics? if you say the game is for fun and things.. well... im sure the dragon would present a bigger challenge, rather than a relic defended by some NPCs.

<shrug>

 

[old.LandShark]

Originally posted by old.Rei Ayanami
but i sure as hell know that spy accounts just to protect a relic is lame.

Spy accounts??
Crafter alts, I think you'll find....
Hell, some people craft in Caer Benowyc, yet another early warning point there...

 

[agreiloth]

So ur basicly saying if u arent part of a large alliance you shouldnt go on planning RRs? So only the big bad boys are allowed to play and plan RRs... not all guilds wants to be a part of the Nolby og CE alliances, so they have to work with what they got.

I'll switch ur question around.. all the peeps not a part of the bigger alliances should be left out of that wich make DAoC special? namely relics....

And no the big boys dont invíte the small boys wich mean we ALLWAYS hear about RRs AFTER they've taken place :\.

So the only way to be part of one, is to make one... and going on a RR primetime is kindda useless if ur 45-50 mids... so we did the only thing we could namely early morning raid where we actually did something other that dieing..... you may not like it, but so be it...

I paying for this game, and just because im not "in" with the big boys it doesn't mean I'm not allowed play....


Sorry for the inconvenience.......

/Agreiloth

 

[Gahldir]

Do as you want about relic raids. but if you don't do anything that is worth a /salute I wont give it to you. and nicking a relic at 7 am isn't hard with a RR-zerg...

 

[AbPoon]

40 people isnt a zerg as you well know

 

[psychoid]

There are SPY accounts, and friends of ppl having alb acct that play mids etc.

This is fact in fact i know of one that does the vice versa in ALB.
For our account.

IMO these bastards should get their acct´s deleted and forver be banned from DAOC.
They ruin the fun of the game for all, and end up ruining days and says on planning and maybe weeks of work to set up a sucessful raid.

I am talking ppl training for key positions like keeping an eye on Ft sauvage road, sentrys at keeps etc.
Training in keeptaking over more then 1 platoons, being synced... etc.

all this work ruined cuz of some1 having a spy acct just to see/hear what is happening.

For example i have been on raids on our side in which ppl have been able to give exact alb numbers on a specific zone/area.

I have been on zergs in emain where we got alb numbers, "136 alb here in emain now, lol"

I know there are ongoings in IRC etc, where questions are asked and answers on things like this are given.

I doubt however any alb is interested in giving a mid player a /who sauvage openly on mirc.. for any reason.

Before the keep related uberguards were inserted in game, we did many raids always we met 5+fg resistance at relic keeps.

This made wide spread /as relic raid announcements impossible.
so it got more secure, and went to GM´s.
who organised grps.
However, somehow it slipped out or some1 didnt know any better and yelled out on telepad RELIC RAID.
POW mass guild msges about relic raids etc, soon relic raiders started getting questions if there was raids ging on etc.
As soon as it reasched the right persons the several FG popped at relic keep. even before the forces had left hadrians wall keep.
this is fact.

I do deeply hope that GOA makes an effort in this.
Escpecially when it comes to spying.

I have lost hope, i dayly see ppl doing questionable things.
I saw a Nazgul guildmember use a wallhack/radar to find out if trow x3 room was uncamped today.
I saw alb´s run over long lenghts straight to a stealther, and this was before RA´s.
I have been outrun when playing my lvl50 skald by a "lone" hib mage.
I have been shot by snipers through keep walls, even PA´d
I have seen much much more beyond this, that is cheating beyond reasonable doubts.

Some i have reported some i have not.
the ones i have not reported are due to neglectance.

Nowdays only one thing is shure:

the winner of a battle is:

the one with the best and most buffs.

 

[old.LandShark]

Jesus Psychoid...
That little rant been kept suppressed for too long eh? ^^

My post was referring to the comment about spy accounts used to watch relic keeps. I was merely pointing out that the commentwas bullshit, because such grey alts that suddenly pop in relic keeps are crafters 99% of the time.

Btw, i unb0rked your sig:

A strange being known as Psychoid is feared throughout the lands of Men. Debates still rage over the true nature of this being, who seems human, but is tainted by a sinister affliction that warps his body and poisons his soul.


is of better now keke

 

[Surgeon-Elite]

So ur basicly saying if u arent part of a large alliance you shouldnt go on planning RRs? So only the big bad boys are allowed to play and plan RRs... not all guilds wants to be a part of the Nolby og CE alliances, so they have to work with what they got.

I'll switch ur question around.. all the peeps not a part of the bigger alliances should be left out of that wich make DAoC special? namely relics....

And no the big boys dont invíte the small boys wich mean we ALLWAYS hear about RRs AFTER they've taken place :\.

So the only way to be part of one, is to make one... and going on a RR primetime is kindda useless if ur 45-50 mids... so we did the only thing we could namely early morning raid where we actually did something other that dieing..... you may not like it, but so be it...

I paying for this game, and just because im not "in" with the big boys it doesn't mean I'm not allowed play....


Sorry for the inconvenience.......

/Agreiloth

Couln't agree more with u mate. I think enterprising people who actually "think" for themsleves as in "hmm albs are left with only 2 relics maybe just maybe we can pull off a Realm Raid".

Dont you actually wish there was more people who had a clue what is going on in RvR? I am sorry but so many albs are like sheep that hardly any of them would be enterprising enough or have the guts to attemtp such a thing. They just follow orders from the zerg/ main guilds.

Well respect to the 45 mids who tried to do something productive for their realm instead of just farm rp's.

 

[Archeon]

Obviously keeping track of your Relics is important, that was the only part of your post that didn't make sense...

"forces of midgard has captured Caer bla bla bla. 20 sec later 2 x Grey conn albs pop and keep an eye on the relic. They don't leave till all alb keeps are in alb hands.
Now i'm not the most active players in midgard and i don't sit around Dagda having fun so i don't know the circumstances there, but i sure as hell know that spy accounts just to protect a relic is lame. "

If an albion logs a character to check the relic isn't under attack thats not Spying. Spying would be people that create accounts and characters in different realms with the sole purpose of getting into a guild and making enough connections to know when the majority of Relic raids happen so they can sit in the relic keep and wait for the force to show up.


Anyway, i was part of the raid in question this morning. I notice nobody mentioned that there were some hibs in the keep, hats off to the Elf that ran up to the relic room and started to AE while we were figuring out that sombody had already grabbed the mid relic and was half-way to the portal keep by the time we got up there

but we did actually get wiped out once and had to quickly run back to finish off the last door.

Anyway, enough about that. Call me lame or whatever you want, i don't feel especially proud about swiping the relic at arround 7-8am (GMT) but people just don't seem to want to take a large number of people. 5fg to take a relic is about normal, but then they get zerged, People need to take more people with any luck with SI and those big bad mobs that recquire 200+ people to kill (i know apocolyse is one, but is that albi only?) will show people the light and with any luck relics raids will become much more large scale.

Of course, if you look on the flip side to that. At the moment you have the small group/odd time system lets call it,

You have about 4-5fgs of players, you attack at an odd time and you can genrally take a relic that way. Though people flame you for being 'Lame'

Then in the future, people start to use the large group/prime time stratagy,

You have 100-200 players and literally just zerg the keep into kingdom come leaving the place a smoldering wreck, totally pounding any defensive force with your sheer size. Though then people will start to flame people for being 'Lame' because their zerging.

..its important to remember at the end of the day that DAoC is just a game, theres no reason to take things so personally. If you lose a relic, regardless of what time you lose it you've lost it. No ammount of calling people 'lame' / 'lossers' will get it back. So get your head down, think up some stratagy, Hell launch an early morning raid of your own if you have to.

I agree the ends don't justify the means, but this has happened. Hibby land suffered quite a large loss with two of its three relics, so now they nuke as hard as.... god as hard as they did at the start when all realms still had their original relics, jeez how will you survive

Also, i wonder why people start indivdual topics on this. One is enough, you don't need to start a new topic with the same old line.

<sigh> anyway, enough trying to justify what we did. Fair enough, i'l admit its not the way i would have liked to re-take some relics. But its happened, i wish you hibs all the best in trying to get it back

 

[old.Tzeentch]

please have a look at what i wrote, about your 'future'..
and where it would lead.

 

[old.Charonel]

what tzeench wrote was basically the reason why all three realms decided not to do nighttime relic raids anymore, and it's a VERY valid reason, because it'll screw up the game, for no other reason than it'll be pointless defending because unless you become some sad assed vedgie and sit glue'd to the pc 24/7 there'll be no way to guarantee that you can actually defend your relics, so nobody will bother.

personally i dont think getting zerged at the relic keep during primetime is gonna be as bad as nighttime raids, point is you actually get to TRY to defend against that, it's the nighttime one's where you can't do anything about it!, nothing at all! that make people not bothered about the game anymore.

reason not to do nighttime raids isnt that it's "lame", it's that the knock of effects are bad for EVERYONE, including your own realm.

 

[old.Rei Ayanami]

I think u all misunderstood what i ment about spy accounts. In this connection it was having an extra account that you log it to secure the relic because you really don't wanna waste time there, but just to make yourself feel good you do with a 2nd account.

I play this game as a RPG, some ppl might not know this, but it's short for: "RolePlayingGame". You create a character and live the life of that character. Sadly the 1337 über h4><><0r's see it as: "I've got alot of RP, i pwn you..." game and will even pay extra money to keep having an extra advantage. It totally ruins the atmosphere in the game, i know i can prevent that and really, i hate but i don't mind buffbots looking from the RPG side. But just imagine how fun RvR relic raids would be if u were sure that no spys, no 2nd account lookouts were there to keep a constant look out, but people actually became the game, and wanted to offer themselves for scout duties. It'd be a total new Emain, because you had no chance of getting caught. Spys you can avoid (unless they are really sneaky ones), but 2nd accounts just doing guardduty because the owner is too lazy and wanna gain action all the time is lame. Follow me now?


"Also, i wonder why people start indivdual topics on this. One is enough, you don't need to start a new topic with the same old line." - This isn't about the relic raid, this is about the situation of the relic raids all together.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by old.Charonel
what tzeench wrote was basically the reason why all three realms decided not to do nighttime relic raids anymore, and it's a VERY valid reason, because it'll screw up the game, for no other reason than it'll be pointless defending because unless you become some sad assed vedgie and sit glue'd to the pc 24/7 there'll be no way to guarantee that you can actually defend your relics, so nobody will bother.

reason not to do nighttime raids isnt that it's "lame", it's that the knock of effects are bad for EVERYONE, including your own realm.

I would imagin that hibs/albs with 3 relics each would be pleased to have an understanding with only primetime raids, becase that would mean 1% chance of loosing their relics.

Mids have lost their relics all too none-primtime raids (week days after 24.00CET), and I think it's about time we "figth fire with fire". What fun is it too have two relms with 3 relics each on one that has none.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by Runolaz



Mids have lost their relics all too none-primtime raids (week days after 24.00CET), and I think it's about time we "figth fire with fire". What fun is it too have two relms with 3 relics each on one that has none.

I was on the three raids that got us the power relics: one from you guys, one from albion, and again one from you after it was taken at 5am or so.

Each and every one of these raids was done by the same guy, at roughly the same time.

11pm GMT, or midnight GMT (the organising guild was predominantly fromt he UK as was the organiser).

Again, your loss of relics was NOTHING to do with population/classes etc, it was simply a matter of Mids being too lazy to keep an eye on their own frontier.

If you cant see that the server still has 1500+ online at the time we did those raids, and the server has under 200 at the time of your raid...

See, there is your 'primetime indicator' - the current server population..

Ah well, you guys have it set in your minds you did good and achieved something, and now you seek to troll irc and the forums.. whatever floats your boat

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch


11pm GMT, or midnight GMT (the organising guild was predominantly fromt he UK as was the organiser).

Ah well, you guys have it set in your minds you did good and achieved something, and now you seek to troll irc and the forums.. whatever floats your boat

The problem is that 23.00-24.00 GMT = 24.00-01.00 CET and that is not primetime for most mids during a week day as I would estimate at least 60-70% in Mid are not under GMT. It has nothing to do with beeing lazy.

Hmm...who started the whining/flaming...

 

[old.Tzeentch]

again - the current server population is a good indicator of primetime

 

[killrake]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
again - the current server population is a good indicator of primetime

U are the biggiest whiner The Daoc World ever have seen before , get a life

 

[old.Tzeentch]

nah.. think you can get some better candidates.. for example, Jox might be one..

you Fellowshit of Midgard guys are just upset cus i can actually provide some debate and you cannot

way 2 suck at life

 

[killrake]

We are not upset at all, go to the mirror and look at ur self, there u see a VERY upset whiner.

I on my behalf laughs even in my sleep when i think about u, u are SOOOOOO pathetic.

 

[Wuren]

That is a lot of alts.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

lol
maybe its the fact my groups in rvr have never, ever, not once, ever died to FoM.. in midgard, emain, anywhere.. even when we were 6, you were 14, not one of us died.. man, you guys suck

hey

tip for ya

type this in when you are in game -

/macro face /face

it makes a button, you can put it on your quickbar, and you can see where the person is who is attacking you, and also puts you to a complete stop

 

[Mundokar]

He enjoys playing Daoc (in reply to Wuren)

 

[cerberan]

Well since we have a new alliance building now, after the CE and NP is gone from Exc. We had to do it like this, There is noway we could gather a Force consisting of 200 mids and attack during primetime.

This relic raid was to boost morale for other guilds in Midgard, meaning we had to show em that is was possible. Now when morale is up again "maybe" we will do primetime raids. Atcually when the server is 1500+ players on weekdays at 23:00GMT u guys have the majority of players playing.
And why this whining about Emain???? why in godsname should we care about emain? u guys dont have any relics now that we are interested in getting. Na guys now u have to come to Odins there we can see who are the n000bs.


This is a game and if u like they way we play it or not? who actually gives a ***...
we pay to play this game as u guys do, so next time we attack, please guys put ur bedtime alarms on
We dont care if u call us n00bs, for now we have the relics. And nomatter what u say we wont give it back to ya!!!
So keep farming rp´s in emain, best of luck to you.

 

[Wuren]

lol you had to prove it was possible to take a undefended keep? man you sunk real low without NP

 

[cerberan]

LoL aye we sunk so low....
When we now have that matter settled that mids have sunk low, are u happy then ?


We admit.!!
Happy????? come take it at primetime, just so u know mid "primetime" is from 18:00CET-22:00CET otherwise we have pressing RL engagements....
and that would just be so Loooooooow of u guys, if u didnt try within this time frame.

 

[Wuren]

No, im not happy about it, since mids get their ass constantly kicked in emain they get frustrated and decide to gank NPC:s 5 am in the morning which fuck up the rest of the server.

 

[cerberan]

And u didnt answer? u are gonnna stay within this timeframe right?