lets clear some things up concerning numbers.

[<Harle>]

doh, he was talking about abilities someone in the realm should have, not a single class: you got minstrels with speed-songs ( and they wear chain, not silly bard-reinforced) and your Sorcs ( i think) got long-range aoe-mezz - but hibernia does not have any serious offensive insta-spell ( the champion/bard shout is laughable compared to the minstrel/skald ones - the debuffs are useless, and the snare can only be casted when not in combat-mode )

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Niljindil
Just so you know.

assuming albs are 1,5 times as many as hibs or mids.

150 albs vs 100 hibs/mids

each alb must kill 0,66 hibs/mids to win.

Each hib/mid must kill 1,5 albs to win.

1,5/0,66 = 2,2

The odds are 2,2 to 1. kinda unfair isnt it?

The odds are 1.5 to 1 as you stated initially. The 2.2 to 1 is just a bit of statistical number twisting which serves no purpose.

 

[Khalen]

Where are the Mids? I wanna know their numbers.. must be a lot 45-50

 

[old.Nol]

stuff 'n stuff

No class in hibernia has a stun, is what he means, it is non existant hibernia. Tbh our bard does not compare to the minstrel, I love playing it, but there is no comparison. Stealth, stun, speed, I never win a solo contest against a similar lvl minstrel. The only time I have managed to mezz a minstrel, was when they were stunning someone else.

I got my first drop at 24, farmed fairy steeds for a night with a lvl 32 because they were two tough for me to solo and they frikking add.

 

[old.TheAussie]

We dont have alot of highlvl ministrells, dont be afraid.
and dont react like we have all the best classes.



Oh, and BE afraid of ministrell stealth !!!

 

[old.Whut]

Originally posted by Herbal remedy
mmmmmmmm whut according to your all realms should get it id have speed song and long distance aoe mezz damn thatd be nice as this is what hib bards get they rezz n heal

Herbal, the Clerics existing abilities are already entirely adequate, as long as the player does not mess up thier character (their choice). The Cleric can already be very balanced.

Are you saying you disagree with that?

All I am saying, is the only other healing class that comes remotely close to the Cleric, is the Shammie - and guess what I am playing? Yes, a Shammie! I must admit the Healer is pretty good too, and certainly better than a Friar.

What healing class would you play in Hib? A Druid? Hmm, a pathetic pet that can sometimes be almost useful, and a fairly useful area root. A potentially good dot, but no area effect with it. The equivalent in Mid, the Healer, just look at the pacification line - an amazing diversity of area mezzes and stuns with insta available. Plus group running speed available, plus power regenerator. In Alb the Friar really suxx, but that is more than compensated for with the Cleric. The enhancement and smite lines are truly excellent. Use the regeneration properly, and you have absolutely no need to put points into rejuvenation beyond 25, and you can leave most of those allocations until quite late with no real harm. Everything you actually need in a healer, with a proper ability to defend yourself. A warden and a bard are possibly good fun to play, but could easily be very boring too, and neither have anything approaching a Clerics flexibility and power.

A Shammies lines are very nice too - with Friggs and Group renewal being particularly useful in the mending line. Then you have Cave line, whic looks to be about sorted in later patches than we have yet. Even the base line of Cave has an area disease ffs! At lvl 16 you get one that lasts for 1.5 minutes! At lvl 27, it lasts for 2 minutes! At lvl 47, it is is up to 3 minutes!

The spec line of Cave, has nice long range bolts, AoE dot, and AoE root. Plus Insta disease.

The Shammie don't have the sheer "ooomph" of a Cleric, but it is a highly playable character, with the ability to cause problems, or escape problems. Play it as a Troll with good hammers and other kit, and it is a defendable character, with the ability to change an attackers mind before it even gets to you. Even a group of attackers - you can HURT them, and you can slow them to get away. A stealther will have a real sweat taking a decent Troll Shammie out too, likewise a Cleric. The only real protection a Druid has against a stealther, is the pet, and that works sometimes.

Where Hibernia can improve its lot, is maybe with Rangers, but they have been badly affected I think for RvR. I wouldn't play them as a scout all off solo on their own. The abilities they have should be used in radically different ways, and that might help to compensate for the other obvious lackings. I may be wrong, but I don't think thier bows have enough range to make that much of a difference really thogh perhaps.

There are some bright points for Hibernia maybe, but they sure do seem to take some finding (a character builder is pretty quick to check out what looks interesting or not), whereas in other Realms, the character benefit ant disadvantage are somewhat obvious. But for me I like support classes, and the only ones that have them that are worth talking about at the moment, are Alb and Mid.

You must kknow that, or you wouldn't be playing a Cleric, right?

 

[c0ngo]

Originally posted by TheAussie

Oh, and BE afraid of ministrell stealth !!!

But not for 2 long cause it's made worse in l8r patches

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by Whut

I must admit the Healer is pretty good too, and certainly better than a Friar.

In Alb the Friar really suxx, but that is more than compensated for with the Cleric.

what is this a "lets badmouth the friar society?"

I can EASELY solo a yel con in RvR, I got huge dmg and I get BOTH evade and parry, for an example check out this story

The might of the friar

so all your doing is showing your ignorance regarding another class, yes herbal badmouthes me here at times, but she also admits that I can outdamage her in melee combat at any time, heck I can even take aggro of a polearm armsman in 3 hits......

stop talking about things you dont know anything about, unless you have tried to play the friar keep you mouth shot, you wont find me telling an armsman or a caster how to play

 

[c0ngo]

Originally posted by Whut
Use the regeneration properly, and you have absolutely no need to put points into rejuvenation beyond 25, and you can leave most of those allocations until quite late with no real harm.

Really ?

The 2nd Regen comes in at 21 on the Enhance line so if you choose that the go 23 on Rej where you get the 1st grp insta this leaves you 44 on Smite.

Not a bad template to go for but I wouldn't do it just to get the Regen cause I have it and it doesn't do too much really it's a good template for a good alround Cleric.

Think 48 smite, 23 rej & 9 enh is the usual Smiter spec and it's not even close to getting Regen but Herbal has at least 40 in Rej so isn't a Smiter.

 

[old.Nol]

mid/pryd

don't see why people will leave their alpha char on pryd to come to excal, nice thought though...I play my lowbie on pryd occassionally...sortah

 

[old.Whut]

Originally posted by TheAussie
We dont have alot of highlvl ministrells, dont be afraid.
and dont react like we have all the best classes.



Oh, and BE afraid of ministrell stealth !!!

No, but between them Alb and Mid admittedly seem to have most of them to a large degree.

You have to conclude as a Realm Hib is still a work in progress, without a lot of progress. When it is finished it will probably be very good.

Would you be prepared to develop a character there, without knowing what it is going to turn out like? Well I wasn't prepared to take that gamble, but respeccing will certainly help now make a difference there, and maybe I would take a chance on it from here on.

For instance in Albion, a Friar was a huge nono to make, and nobody in their right mind would make one until they are sorted. Now, it would be fairly sensible to make one, knowing you can change the line emphasis when the time comes that the class gets its necessary changes.

There aren't many classes that are such a gamble like the Friar with Albion and Midgard. With Hibernia I would have to say it seems personally that most of them are like the Friar.

 

[old.Whut]

Originally posted by C0ngo


Really ?

The 2nd Regen comes in at 21 on the Enhance line so if you choose that the go 23 on Rej where you get the 1st grp insta this leaves you 44 on Smite.

Not a bad template to go for but I wouldn't do it just to get the Regen cause I have it and it doesn't do too much really it's a good template for a good alround Cleric.

Think 48 smite, 23 rej & 9 enh is the usual Smiter spec and it's not even close to getting Regen but Herbal has at least 40 in Rej so isn't a Smiter.

Yes I knew for a long time he was a seriously badly balanced Cleric.

Regen doesn't do much really?

Look if people do not know how to use their own heads, and make a proper character, and use it properly, then that is their problem . . .

 

[tilde]

Why is he badly balanced?

High rejuvn. is what 99% of the tanks prefer in their group

And YES, flame me but i hate u smite-clerics

 

[c0ngo]

@ Whut Regeneration at 21 does very little. 5 hp per tic (however long that is ?). Put it on a Tank with 2k hp and you'll barely notice it.

Only ever found it useful on high lvl Tanks with high Sheild spec when Keep taking cause they engage archers and the regen is enough 2 get hp back from the odd arrow that gets through.

@ Tilde U need Smite clerics m8 2 make up for the damage u don't do , no need for Rej cause u have ur pali heal chant

 

[old.Whut]

Originally posted by Bedwin


what is this a "lets badmouth the friar society?"

I can EASELY solo a yel con in RvR, I got huge dmg and I get BOTH evade and parry, for an example check out this story

The might of the friar

so all your doing is showing your ignorance regarding another class, yes herbal badmouthes me here at times, but she also admits that I can outdamage her in melee combat at any time, heck I can even take aggro of a polearm armsman in 3 hits......

stop talking about things you dont know anything about, unless you have tried to play the friar keep you mouth shot, you wont find me telling an armsman or a caster how to play

Yes I have tried a Friar, and yes nobody in their right mind would play one - YET . . The character inadequacies become immediately apparent. so stop trying to make excuses for yourself and your choice of character. I suppose the solitary life of a Friar might appeal to some who look for classes that others have more sense than to play.

If that hat should happen to fit you, then wear it.

Herbal certainly isn't a good example of how to spec a Cleric either, for that matter, and you seem proud of the fact you can outdamage? If you COULDN'T outdamage Herbal, THAT is what would be surprising!!

Idiot!

 

[old.Whut]

Originally posted by tilde
Why is he badly balanced?

High rejuvn. is what 99% of the tanks prefer in their group

And YES, flame me but i hate u smite-clerics

And of course tanks are really relevant as door hitters and Lord hitters, and should dictate what is best for other classes. Or even best for themselves from other classes. You come across such stupidity rather a lot in Alb/Excaliber.

And some people wonder why I left . .

PS the why is he badly balanced, should be obvious to anybody (other than Herbal and most tanks). As I now play another Realm and server, my ideal Cleric template as lines exist, is going to remain my own personal ideal Cleric template. I am certainly not going to explain that template for Albion's benefit. My time with you on that server was certainly not "enriched" enough to do that much of a favour.

Anybody with enough RvR experience and truly into playing support classes, will inevitably reach similar conclusions that I did, and will not allow their specification choices to be dictated to them by classes with no comprehension of what is required to make a successful and playable balance.

 

[old.Nol]

friars

they would be cooler if they were like fat, short, jolly people with monk haircuts...

 

[c0ngo]

Originally posted by Whut

And some people wonder why I left . .

Yeah you do have to wonder why anyone would leave any Realm on Excali to go to Midgard on Pryd cause anyone that did that clearly has no interest in RvR and needs their head examining

Joining Midgard on Pryd is pointless.

Lvling in Mid is easy enough at the best of times but with 6 Relics it must b really hard.

 

[Addlcove]

@ Not

yeah we would, but I kinda like my Sexy look

@ Whut

first of lets not get personal....

I don´t understand your problem with friars, instead of just saying "Friars Suxx" then give me some arguments, I gave you a couple, plus a link to a true story, and all you give back is a comment on me being an "Idiot" and out of my right mind.... come on lets have a discussion not a flame war

 

[old.Woodmansee]

If the albs do have more people what I really doubt, SO WHAT?
When we all picked our realm there was a fair chance that one realm would have more than another!
Oki lets get things straight. You dont need 150 people to take A relic you dont need 150 people to take a keep!
And as far as the albs go in rvr, when they did have both relics maybe they was a but harder, but 9 our of 10 times ive been in contact with the albs mid has won!

 

[Addlcove]

good to see your alive Woody

what kept you?

 

[old.Whut]

Originally posted by Bedwin
@ Not

yeah we would, but I kinda like my Sexy look

@ Whut

first of lets not get personal....

I don´t understand your problem with friars, instead of just saying "Friars Suxx" then give me some arguments, I gave you a couple, plus a link to a true story, and all you give back is a comment on me being an "Idiot" and out of my right mind.... come on lets have a discussion not a flame war

Ok, I will put it simply for you:

A Friar will always die much too fast to be of any practical use. Easy to get into trouble, very hard to get out of trouble.

The way Herbal is specced, Herbal would have been far better off going the Friar route too.

I think you can see my point there ..

It happens to be an obvious choice NOT to make.

 

[old.Nol]

...

he was smuggling goats into his cave

 

[c0ngo]

Originally posted by Whut

The way Herbal is specced, Herbal would have been far better off going the Friar route too.

I think you can see my point there ..

No.

I'd rather be a Rej Cleric than a Friar.

The lvl50 Base smites are ok although they use a bit 2 much mp.

I've seen Herbal soloing stuff in the barrows about as easily as I could on the same mob at the same lvl although my smite spec was much higher.

Friars ranged attack = 0
Friars ranged stun = 0
Friars armour = Leather
Friars Rez = suks

Ok they can hit with a stick harder than a Cleric with a hammer but so what ?

Nothing wrong with Herbals Spec, I'd rather get Rez'd by Herbal if I die on the battlefield than getting a Pali/Frair/Low Rej Spec'd Cleric one and am always happy to be grpd with Herbal.

 

[old.Woodmansee]

Lol goats
baaaaaaaaa

 

[old.Nol]

...

hehehehe, guess I can't talk, I got a goatmans cloak off a pookha - reckon it was a hint?

 

[old.Whut]

Originally posted by C0ngo


Yeah you do have to wonder why anyone would leave any Realm on Excali to go to Midgard on Pryd cause anyone that did that clearly has no interest in RvR and needs their head examining

Joining Midgard on Pryd is pointless.

Lvling in Mid is easy enough at the best of times but with 6 Relics it must b really hard.

Not that it is any of your damned business, but I spent rather a long time in each realm on Prydwen checking numbers - nearly 2 weeks in fact. What I found was, the numbers online in each Realm at any one time, were about the same. A lot of people have left Midgard and gone elsewhere apparently.

Ok my time in Alb/Excaliber was hardly a pleasant experience, and I frankly hate the guts of a large proportion of the sad and ignorant people I came across there - to the extent that I deleted my characters. I don't think I will ever play Albion again on any server. I was tempted to transfer to Mid/Excaliber, so i could bash some of those "charming" Alb/Excaliber characters, but why should I spoil my gaming fun by being centred on a vengeance trip?

So I looked at Prydwen. Alb was out from here on in, that left Hib as prime candidate, which I was intending to go to - then I looked at the support classes there, and tried them out.

I was not impressed. So I started checking Realm numbers. It seemed as if Mid actually had a few less players than the others, but the realms were pretty well balanced as far as it went. So I went Mid to play a Shammie.

So far, I have been very taken with the Realm, and it is a complete breath of fresh air compared to Alb/Excaliber. The people playing there are actually NICE! They are even HELPFUL!

You can imagine what a shock to the system THAT was, coming from Alb/Excaliber!

The people on Alb/Excaliber are welcome to it - in the main, they really deserve each other.

IF (and it is a big IF) Hib characters ever get sorted, then I will make a support character on Hib/Excaliber more than likely.

 

[old.Whut]

Originally posted by C0ngo


Nothing wrong with Herbals Spec,

That's all well and good, carry on thinking that. We all have to live with our choices (at least until we get respeccing). Mythic themselves have given away more than enough hints to those that are prepared to pay attention. Herbal obviously wasn't paying attention, that is all.

Valid point on the armour though. Was one of the prime reasons why to me Friars suxxx for sure.

 

[Addlcove]

ever thought that maybe a change of attitude would make people nicer to you??

yes there are dumbarses in Albion on excal, but there are also dumbarses in midgard Prydwen, you cant blame the REALM what ONE or TWO or even 20 persons do to you....

as far as the friar buisness go, I like the class I hardly ever die (last death was 2 days ago, suicided to get to excal because midies was raiding)

and as soon as 1.46 is comming I´m back at soloing yellows

YES I have a gimped friar, didnt go full staff spec, and I STILL take aggro of an armsman, you say its a bad thing well heres an example for you

we where hunting gobos (chaining them) and our situation is a real bummer, when we have 2 incomming bogies, one jumps the armsman other heads for the caster (who resently died because the armsman couldnt get aggro of her) I take care of one gobo and the other kills the armsman, it then goes after the caster and she starts running, when she passes me I hit it ONCE and I got aggro, she can cast again and the mob dies.... so whats the bad thing about that???

oh btw the mobs conned orange


oh and yes our armor does suck, 10% absorb is ridiculous, but then again after 1.46 I have enough spec points to raise my enhancment line a bit, we get some real nice selfbuffs in the spec line

 

[old.Stix]

Bedwin, no doubt friars will get some loving eventually, and/or other classes that currently rule will get nerfed lol (like the recent stealth changes).

Secondly, your sig is insane