lets clear some things up concerning numbers.

[old.Niljindil]

As of now(18:02 cet) there is 92 characters currently logged in based on /who 35 50. There is also a total of 1626 players logged in to excalibur.

18:00 1626 players on excalibur, 92 hibs /who 35 50
19:00 1855 players on excalibur, 103 hibs /who 35 50
20:00 2007 players on excalibur, 104 hibs /who 35 50
21:15 2341 players on excalibur, 120 hibs /who 35 50

I will update this with edit a few more times tonight, and we can finally clear this up.

I really hope some honest alb does this too, and a middie would certainly not hurt either.

Because all of you who say albs dont outnumber hibs or mids *cough* Dannyn *cough* really dont have a friggen clue..

 

[c0ngo]

with / anon it unfortunately proves nothing

 

[old.Niljindil]

Well, a relative amount of both hibs mids and albs should have the same amounts of /anons.


Its still a relative value, but its better than "albs are 3 times as many as hibs and mids combined! promise!!!" or "hibs are AT LEAST as many as albs, just look at <insert specific battle where albs were less than hibs here>" or "we are more skilled than you because we did that and that when you were so and so many more so therefor you cant complain about numbers".


Its still as accurate as with normal voting, some ppl just dont participate.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Niljindil
Because all of you who say albs dont outnumber hibs or mids *cough* Dannyn *cough* really dont have a friggen clue..

Twisting my words again. I said "not double ... probably 1.25-1.5". which bit of that says "albs don't outnumber hibs/mids" to me that looks like I say "yes we outnumber you, but not by a huge amount".

 

[c0ngo]

Yes if Albs/Hibbies/Middies posted the same it 'might' give an idea on numbers

Note 2 Albs all go anon tonight

 

[old.Nol]

but I just saw ninj say in /AS "all 35+ go anon, I want to take a tally for the forums"

 

[old.Niljindil]

Oh, i did, the ask kemor where in their game logs i said that.

Nope, yur right, i never did.

 

[old.Niljindil]

And btw, Dannyn, its not that i claim you to be double our number(tho i wouldnt be surprised ) but its the fact that you are saying it doesnt make a difference.

Just look at your posts in other threads.

 

[old.Nol]

sheesh

relax mate, I was taking the piss...in other words I was joking...

par le soufle hombre?

 

[c0ngo]

I wasn't joking

 

[c0ngo]

And If I'm playing with my lvl 2x alts that doesn't show that a lvl 50 is on although it only takes 20 seconds or so to log it in

 

[old.Niljindil]

C0ngo, the chances that we are playing alts are just as big. Any random factors when doing this large investigations normally matters for about 1-3%.

And the reason i am gonna do it at different times is because of this very reason.

 

[c0ngo]

More alts on Middie and Alb though I'd guess cause there's a lot more lvl 50's than in Hibbie

I'm bumping into lvl 50 alts all the time when I'm playing mine, lvl 2x in certain Guilds is a bit of a give away

Not disagreeing with what you've suggested just mentioning some things that may effect the figures.

 

[<Harle>]

Congo, just shuddup and do it

 

[old.Vanity]

Population Count

It isn't impoirtant how many Hibs or Mids or Albs there are in the various realms. It is only important how many Hibs and Mids and Albs there are on a given time and ona specific battlefield. It seems hat Albion is going through the same crisis that the Mids went through. Most fourty plus are bitterly trying to get their lvl 50ies in or those that have reached that goal rather play an alt character at times of threat. Fact is that on that given time Hibs are outnumbering Albs more and more frequently. This is my impression and that of many other Albs obviously.

So counting people around the clock over all a realm seems not to be representative to speak for the outcomes of battles.

 

[old.Niljindil]

Vanity, that is not the meaning of this thread, since if hib takes 2 keeps and someone shouts on alliance "hibbies prolly trying for relic take! need help in frontier!" then every fricken little alb will come out.

What im trying to find out is how many albs there is compared to the mids and hibs. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[old.Niljindil]

Just so you know.

assuming albs are 1,5 times as many as hibs or mids.

150 albs vs 100 hibs/mids

each alb must kill 0,66 hibs/mids to win.

Each hib/mid must kill 1,5 albs to win.

1,5/0,66 = 2,2

The odds are 2,2 to 1. kinda unfair isnt it?

 

[Wuren]

lol still no alb has the guts to do it

 

[tilde]

/who 35 50 = 173alb @ 09.40PM CET
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/who 35 40 = 86albs
/who 41 45 = 78albs
/who 46 50 = 18albs
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happy now?

It isnt ALL about the numbers, a skilled small army can take out a army twice as big - trust me, it has been done.

Still, its much easier with the numbers

forgot the /who all = 850 albs

 

[old.Whut]

Originally posted by Wuren
lol still no alb has the guts to do it

Because it is about 2:1:1 in Alb's favour.

And they know it . ..

It is why Finster is panicking, and advertising on the Prydwen forums for players to go join Mid on Excaliber.

Yep, you read that right - I will quote it :

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Join EXCALIBUR Midgard!
it s a fine server. midgard has a tough time but _all_ it needs is one commited guild to get it back to pride.

all i can say: if you want RvR on a balanced server with a great community pull the act of midgard excalibur together. you ll be the Heros bringing hope to a hard pressed realm.

/bow in respect to the northern heathens


__________________
invisible transports, long distance calls
hollow laughter in marble halls
steps have been taken, a silent uproar
has unleashed the dogs of war


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The guy suxxxxx .. . .

 

[old.Attle]

Nice, abls are recruitng for Midgard. What is next, you'll lend us some tincans to use in RvR.

Btw...where did the army log that went through Odins at about 21.00 GMT. Going for another 4 am raid tonight too?

 

[tilde]

Glad u can read and understand his words Attle...

And if u were sarcastic, u are only making the spirit worse

 

[old.Niljindil]

173alb/120 hibs = 1,44

44% higher population.

It doesnt seem so much but it still makes you have a 66% chance of winning if everyone is rvring judging from pure numbers.

Tho i agree that the side that starts to flee always lose in rvr encounters, its just that when you have the numbers, the enemy normally flee. Its human nature.

Lets just hope it evens out to the numbers it were in beta.

Beta realm balance was GREAT imho.

Im not saying its not fun here now, its is. But those few times when all you albs actually ALL go out and rvr. Its no fun at all. It doesnt happen very often but when it does it just makes me wanna cry.

 

[old.Niljindil]

Have to agree that the comment from Attle was kinda out of place.

Im doing a survey here, and finster is trying to get everyone to have as much fun as possible, and you flame?

Shame on you.

 

[tilde]

I must agree strongly, Beta-balance was just great! Huge battles and no cowards who ran all the time.

And if Finster brings some middies to Excalibur, what bad is it in that? Prydwen will get more balanced, and hopefully those leavers will choose midgard or hibernia.

We are only fighting for making the server as good/fun to play at, so should u

 

[old.Putger]

one more thing may make the difference and that is the fact that where albs and mids have a lot of lvl 50s hibernia just recently have some, 7 by now i think, maybe those mythic should change a few things in favor of hibernia lvling a bit faster cause pretty obviously something is wrong

 

[Eleasias]

Beta RvR owned cause I could charge 40 hibs and survive =)

 

[Aeiedil]

just to add on if mid\pry players are recruited into the exc\hib or exc\mid ranks, then that will hopefully balance servers a bit, so getting rid of the need for alliances, which will get rid of one flame subject from the board though unfortunatly any changes will take time as the newcomers level up

 

[old.Whut]

Originally posted by Putger
one more thing may make the difference and that is the fact that where albs and mids have a lot of lvl 50s hibernia just recently have some, 7 by now i think, maybe those mythic should change a few things in favor of hibernia lvling a bit faster cause pretty obviously something is wrong

Yes the difference between the Realms is staggeringly in Hib's disadvantage, even after the last patch.

In Mid, you can get great item drops before even lvl 5. Then you have Nisse's Lair you can group in from lvl 7 (or less with some friendly types), also with great drops and lots and lots of them. Nisse's is so good, you can level like crazy there too (I went from lvl 7 to almost lvl 12 in one session that was not too long, by being in several groups, and also soloing with no difficulty in between, by being sensible). It gets people away to a very flying start. Also in Mid, Merchant purchased weapons actually do pretty decent damege. I had great hammers to get me to lvl 10. Plus then there is a lvl 10 otd of a stunningly good hammer when you get there (from the lower levelled named mob on the beached boat below Fort Atla - I don't know yet if the higher levelled named mob there to also does a drop). A great item just at the time people need it (very pretty red it is too). It is a very rapid spawning mob that drops it, though I don't know if it drops anything but hammers.

Albion is just as good if not better. Also Alb's have that plate armour. I liked the smite cleric very much too (though none of the others I tried), there is nothing really comparable in the other Realms, but maybe a Shammie comes a bit close. Hib healers seem to be very badly handicapped and vulnerable in comparison, with no real offensive capability worth talking about. Which was why really I went for Mid on Prydwen instead of Hib.

What has Hib got? Rare drops, and a starting dungeon where I think you have to be about lvl 14 or so for a small group to stand a chance in, and the drops are supposed to be rubbish.

From what I have been told, the drop volume in Hib is pretty rubbish until you can get into the new Epic Zone too.

The most serious imbalance of all thouh to me, is Hib's complete lack of an insta mezz or stun. That is just incredible. If one Realm has it, then all Realms must have it. If one Realm doesnt has it, then all Realms shouldn't have it. Myself I think nothing instant like that should be allowed in the game.

The only ace in the deck that Hib seems to have at the moment, is that spell I think Enchanters cast at fort doors, and that is an ace that they badly need. Though their Mooses look fun, and i would like to try one maybe sometime.

I think to play Hib, you have to really enjoy playing the role of your character, to get it to a high level where you can get to places with good stuff. If Hib classes ever get sorted out and properly balanced, then the picture will look a lot less like an afterthought. which they seem to be now. If it happens, I might try Hib/Excaliber. Having said that, it will probably be to Hib's long term advantage, as your characters take so long to develop relatively, you will have a much more full understanding of how to play them well. Well, maybe. A slow matured Hib army could be an extremely difficult challenge when it arrive in battle. I suppose it is just having the patience to get there.

 

[Herbal Remedy]

mmmmmmmm whut according to your all realms should get it id have speed song and long distance aoe mezz damn thatd be nice as this is what hib bards get they rezz n heal