Last sunday rvr

[Bracken]

I just want to point out to Bracken that relics do matter to all realms in terms of how active the realm is in rvr, but maybe he cant see that, possibly because of the 50 people around him blocking the view.

Of course relics matter in terms of numbers active to all realms, just seems Mids are particularly prone to vanish (or pop) along with their relics

And it's not the 50 people that block my view, it's Favail's hat

 

[Javai]

Regardless the fact that your realm is over poulated compared to mid? and how can 60 mids defend against 100+ albs, simple they cant its just the law of averages.


Come play mid for a day, and check out Thid, Molvik, Leirvik and NF you'll notice a similarity of what im talking about.

Just before the last patch, there was never a bg up in rvr for Albion, lots of small groups running about looking for fights getting steamrollered up opted fgs and giving up - I do know how it feels.

BUT Having 100+ Albs out is very rare - ask the Hibs we made a couple of attempts at Crim last week with 3 or so fgs - we failed because the Hibs defended (and because we like to do formation dancing with rams in the couryard but thats another issue). I have said repeatedly that I don't think you could've stopped the Alb zerg in Midgard on Sunday evening but I don;t see why one evening is enough for every Mid to say ok we won't take part in rvr ever again because we lost on one night. If Albs had done that you would've been playing a one realm game for most of OF.

(As for Thid, I don't do bgs much but I did go there recently with a matter Cabby probably about 3 weeks ago maybe 4 and every time I went Albs were outnumbered by Mids, not to mention the groups of 3-5 Vamps)

 

[Muylaetrix]

>>Regardless the fact that your realm is over poulated compared to mid? and how can 60 mids defend against 100+ albs, simple they cant its just the law of averages.

i would think 60 mids defending to 100 albs in a keep would beat the albs 9 times out of 10 really.

How many AE damage dealers would you find amongst 60 mids... 15+ for sure. How many AE damage dealers would you find amongst 100 Albs ?

i`ve seen 2fg mids at a lord room who destroyed alb zergs, never seen 2fg albs defending a lord room pulling of that trick really.

 

[Meril]

maybe its cause u always move as atleast 3 fgs Muylaetrix (that wasent whine btw, not opptimized grps should stick 2gether).

Sorry couldent help myself

Haj wants relic soldier title so i guess ill be seing u in the weekend with all of your 99 mates

 

[Libertine]

The amount of Albs in Emain tonight is just silly, at one point 4-5fg on DC bridge.

 

[Icebreaker]

>>Regardless the fact that your realm is over poulated compared to mid? and how can 60 mids defend against 100+ albs, simple they cant its just the law of averages.

i would think 60 mids defending to 100 albs in a keep would beat the albs 9 times out of 10 really.

How many AE damage dealers would you find amongst 60 mids... 15+ for sure. How many AE damage dealers would you find amongst 100 Albs ?

i`ve seen 2fg mids at a lord room who destroyed alb zergs, never seen 2fg albs defending a lord room pulling of that trick really.

You got the gay heretic rezz.

 

[Dalilama]

Of course relics matter in terms of numbers active to all realms, just seems Mids are particularly prone to vanish (or pop) along with their relics

And it's not the 50 people that block my view, it's Favail's hat

try play mid one night at primetime and u whont come here with that statment ever aigen...

 

[Nomans Land]

Did any body ever stop to consider that the amount of people that quit DAoC has an effect of the numbers? I know Albion had the bigger realm OF too but then Mids and Hibs held those relics no bother.

When NF came along alot of people quit. Maybe more Mids and Hibs quit than Albion, so its hardly just plain 'our fault' you get zerged every night.

(If anyone has numbers from OF and numbers from NF that would help for my theory ^^)

 

[Mas]

Did any body ever stop to consider that the amount of people that quit DAoC has an effect of the numbers? I know Albion had the bigger realm OF too but then Mids and Hibs held those relics no bother.

When NF came along alot of people quit. Maybe more Mids and Hibs quit than Albion, so its hardly just plain 'our fault' you get zerged every night.

(If anyone has numbers from OF and numbers from NF that would help for my theory ^^)

If the theory is true, which it well may be, it still says that every night mids are outnumbred in their own and enemy frontiers, everyone is sick of buffing running out (10 mins) to meet 4 fg or more. And even not on a favail/muy zerg run its easy to meet small clusters of zergs and be using /rel every 15 mins. I just wish you play mid one evening and just see, cause its no fun taking half the night to take surs, meanwhile there are more albs defending surs and another shedload of them taking hild at the same time, we cant do both its one or the other. But yeah when 1 realm can come into an emeny frontier and take 4 keeps and its towers without blinking...something needs to be done.....

My proposals

1) Better unpopulated bonuses, give increase to lvl 12 towers

2) Give higher con guards immune to oil or pet spam

3) Like a previous poster said, doors to be damaged by rams and melee only

4) More versatility in hookpoints in tower/keep, maybe fop/foh summoner.

 

[Raven]

must clean myself, i agree with mas

 

[eggy]

The amount of Albs in Emain tonight is just silly, at one point 4-5fg on DC bridge.

And then after midnight, several full groups of hibs camping Crim with only a handful of albs trying to group, plus at least 2fg of mids at Bled bridge area.

It goes both ways.

 

[Hawkwind]

Aye TMM the legendary Zerg leader Muy was in that wasnt he, still you would have looked cooler if it was one fg that came in instead of the usual zerg that steamrolls all opposition like locusts, it must be like playing hungry hippo's on alb all dying to get that rp.

Legendary Zerg leader Muyl. Gratz to Muyl only a few weeks back in TMM colours and a legend already :worthy: .

Seriously Mas, Muyl is far from a 'Zerg leader'. Despite his high RR and play abilities he welcomes many friends and allies into his groups. They are always pick up and never opted. Christ, he takes gimps like me playing on shite connections. The joke used to be, "this group is gimped, not enough scouts!"

The usual evenings consist of getting grp together checking out and enemy held towers and trying to take em back. We die alot, or maybe that's just when I'm in the group <ponders>, release and come back to try a different way. Later on the BG starts up and a few groups co-op together usually no more than 3-4 and usually for Realm Missions.

Have to say Sunday was an exceptional night. But then only a few days previously there were over 60 hibs on Surs. Rare event indeed and good to see. Mids I'm sure could put out similar numbers if planned and people co-operated.

You have exceptional tools for Keep and tower defence. Take your own WL abilities. Uninterruptable casting and a PBAOE that hurts like hell is very nasty. The ability to insta cast 3 nukes then side step back behind a turret without fear of getting nuked/shot yourself. That's just one mid class.

BTW I have one account with Mids on Pry so have tried chars out there. I actually started out mid over 3 years ago but found the leveling grind difficult as people on mid excal (in my experience) were not that socialble. I rerolled Alb and have loved the game ever since.

I truely hope the clustering sorts out your woes and your realm starts working together more.

 

[Eeben]

If the theory is true, which it well may be, it still says that every night mids are outnumbred in their own and enemy frontiers, everyone is sick of buffing running out (10 mins) to meet 4 fg or more. And even not on a favail/muy zerg run its easy to meet small clusters of zergs and be using /rel every 15 mins. I just wish you play mid one evening and just see, cause its no fun taking half the night to take surs, meanwhile there are more albs defending surs and another shedload of them taking hild at the same time, we cant do both its one or the other. But yeah when 1 realm can come into an emeny frontier and take 4 keeps and its towers without blinking...something needs to be done.....

My proposals

1) Better unpopulated bonuses, give increase to lvl 12 towers

2) Give higher con guards immune to oil or pet spam

3) Like a previous poster said, doors to be damaged by rams and melee only

4) More versatility in hookpoints in tower/keep, maybe fop/foh summoner.

mid got like the best class at towers an keeps so really dont c why they should get any bonus

 

[Ballard]

mid got like the best class at towers an keeps so really dont c why they should get any bonus

You are joking?

Without a doubt Hibernia has the best classes for defending a keep/tower and albion has the best classes for taking a tower/keep.

Hib defense: Shrooms,mana chanters and bainshees, base line stun
Alb keep take: Heretic rez, Theurgs, bolt range is more common in alb (mezz and fire wizzies)

Really keep takes/defense is one of the few things that mids are weak at...

 

[Flimgoblin]

You are joking?

Without a doubt Hibernia has the best classes for defending a keep/tower and albion has the best classes for taking a tower/keep.

Hib defense: Shrooms,mana chanters and bainshees, base line stun
Alb keep take: Heretic rez, Theurgs, bolt range is more common in alb (mezz and fire wizzies)

Really keep takes/defense is one of the few things that mids are weak at...

pbaoers with intercepting pets and uninterruptable pbaoers/spreadhealers make things so hard, never mind the aoe stuns.

as well as the instant nukes from windows or on anyone lagging through a wall.

Yep, I agree - mids have nothing for keep takes/defence.

 

[eggy]

Really keep takes/defense is one of the few things that mids are weak at...

They make up for it with increible whine abilities though! MoWhinge5 WildMoan4

 

[Flimgoblin]

It might have been created with another reason, but honestly, do you think it would be the same success if you had 0 relics as when you have 6 relics? Do you seriously think that the same amount of people would join the bg every night if you had 0 relics? Do you think the same amount would care if Berk T2 was under attack if you had 0 relics?

We didn't have 6 relics when we started our new alliance - in fact I remember someone whining loads because we'd taken some hib keep (with our little organised alb BG) which acted as a springboard for someone to take some relics with their 2fg later that night, so we definitely didn't have 6 relics when we started

That aside, I'm sure there are a few people in the bg that wouldn't be out RvRing if there were no relics to defend but I'm pretty sure that having someone pointing the way has far more impact.

I'd not be surprised if we see a lot more mids out in RvR now ardamel is back purely because someone who people will listen to is giving some orders/organisation.

 

[Flimgoblin]

If you check my earlier post in this thread i was on my 48 healer at the time, maybe if i was playing my warlock i may hae got some rp's but i play daoc for fun not for horny rp's.

And is 1fg an easily farmable amount against 1fg of mids ?

If you're inside a tower with a proper group with oil then yes - you have a big advantage defending even if they're a proper fg.

Given the usual sort of groups that go to take towers If you've got even a slightly optimised groups (you know, one that contains a healer ) you'll be doing better

 

[Eeben]

You are joking?

Without a doubt Hibernia has the best classes for defending a keep/tower and albion has the best classes for taking a tower/keep.

Hib defense: Shrooms,mana chanters and bainshees, base line stun
Alb keep take: Heretic rez, Theurgs, bolt range is more common in alb (mezz and fire wizzies)

Really keep takes/defense is one of the few things that mids are weak at...

Instant killing classes is not enough for you?

 

[Javai]

You are joking?

Without a doubt Hibernia has the best classes for defending a keep/tower and albion has the best classes for taking a tower/keep.

Hib defense: Shrooms,mana chanters and bainshees, base line stun
Alb keep take: Heretic rez, Theurgs, bolt range is more common in alb (mezz and fire wizzies)

Really keep takes/defense is one of the few things that mids are weak at...

Hibs have the best classes for both taking and defending a keep - this is made alot worse by Mythics inability to code shrooms and an awful lot of the time no matter where you stand shrooms in courtyards are not in los, not to mention the Bainshee ability to hit everyone if one person is in los.

Albs have great classes for defending from walls, though it's marginal as our casters don't have stun so anyone with enough hits to survive two nukes will move out of los/range.

But Mids at the moment have by far the best classes for defending tight spaces - like Lord rooms, once a couple of Warlocks start their pb every is going down and they can do it right through melee and a zombie sat on them. Add to that aoe stun and getting into a Lord room defended by Mids is hard work - requies TWF, ST and several MoC casters to have a chance.

Shrooms and Warlocks can both negate a very large difference in size of forces, Albs cannot easily defend confied spaces due to a relative lack of aoe damage dealers and the almost non-existance of pb'ers (rare to have more than one ice wizzie around even with ice as secondary).

 

[Calo]

Instant killing classes is not enough for you?

If a warlock insta kills u, u better delete your char , and never play this game again cause you are way to stupid for it.

btw sorc + caba on u is almost the same as insta dead.

 

[Eeben]

If a warlock insta kills u, u better delete your char , and never play this game again cause you are way to stupid for it.

btw sorc + caba on u is almost the same as insta dead.

okay he will hit me for 1500 damage then start lifetaping with out being interuptet until i die... an not everyone at keep fights got fully toat templates .. an yes a wl should be abel to kill a caster in 1-2 secs ....

 

[Javai]

If a warlock insta kills u, u better delete your char , and never play this game again cause you are way to stupid for it.

btw sorc + caba on u is almost the same as insta dead.

Yes but surely you can see a difference between two people having to assist on a target and one person emptying instant spells on you?

And the Sorc and Cabby can't cast through melee, being nuked etc etc

 

[Ballard]

I admit I did not include warlocks in my calculations Them aside I think alb is the best at keep takes and and hibs have the edge at defense. Warlocks included mids can excel at both forms.

 

[Calo]

Yes but surely you can see a difference between two people having to assist on a target and one person emptying instant spells on you?

And the Sorc and Cabby can't cast through melee, being nuked etc etc

Neither can do a warlock whole the time ( u actually do know that uninterupt spells drains power and not give u power extra huh?)... And neither does every mid defence have 15+ warlocks like some albs claim...

You always go like BUT... u have warlocks so its impossible to even think that albion gets even close to keepfights as mids.. I'v been at keepdefences where there was 1 warlock , ravenlock, now plz don't tell me you are so scared of him u actually have to outnumber us 6/10 ? ofcourse you aren't. Yes if we have lots of warlocks and sm's(who are pbae specced aka, a VERY low ammount) in a lordroom we will probably win if we work together.

And the funny part is that everywere you see ppl going like "haha its so easy to pwn warlocks! all noobs" altho every argument you start includes "but you have warlocks so you would win always, altho i always say in threads i pwn them so easy!" this is not pointed to you but the albs who say those things ofcourse.

 

[Glottis]

If a warlock insta kills u, u better delete your char , and never play this game again cause you are way to stupid for it.

btw sorc + caba on u is almost the same as insta dead.

Lol, 2 NS on you is close to instant death for a caster...
2 of anything is close to instant death for most classes...
But a solo warlock is instant death to all classes...
What a tard to compare 2 to 1...
Regards, Glottis

 

[Javai]

Neither can do a warlock whole the time ( u actually do know that uninterupt spells drains power and not give u power extra huh?)... And neither does every mid defence have 15+ warlocks like some albs claim...

The fact that they can do it at anytime without having to spend the 30 RA points it costs anyone else to come close (and even then its not quite as good) is what makes it unbalanced.

I can honestly say I have never in any thread said I can pwn (or even own as I don't use that kind of speech) a Warlock, never called anyone a noob either. This was a discussion of how a small number of Mids can fight off a larger number of Albs, and Warlocks play a large part in that as does insta aoe stun and any other form of pb.

 

[eggy]

u actually do know that uninterupt spells drains power and not give u power extra huh?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ALERT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This must be addressed!

Give warlocks 200% power bars!

Quick! Fuck we wouldn't want them to be unbalanced!

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only kidding

 

[Muylaetrix]

>>And neither does every mid defence have 15+ warlocks like some albs claim...

nice quoting.

what i said is that on a 60 man mid force you would find 15+ people who can do AE damage. that`s warlocks, SMs runemasters (lets not forget thanes !).

In albion that would be wizards and ... clerics (/ponders at mythic) and heretics (i love my flex tic).

in hibernia it seems like every single focus using class has at least 1 line with ae-damage.

 

[Belomar]

Legendary Zerg leader Muyl. Gratz to Muyl only a few weeks back in TMM colours and a legend already :worthy: .

He's not only a "legendary zerg leader", he's also a self-proclaimed B52 bomber:

if you are the equivalent of a B52 filled with clusterbombs, you just kill em all (and let arawn sort em out) before someone can react or the jet fighters are on your tail...

Yes, indeed: