Last sunday rvr

[Gear]

wish my brain had negative equity, shame its my house

This made 8 pages of replies worth something

 

[Zaphod]

 

[Muylaetrix]

>>The question is how it was so clear for the albs that it was a "relicraid". There were already 2fg at the landingspot when we moved out/arrived.

multiple sources told us that two warships were filling up in midgard... At that time did those of us in hibernia trying to take crim went `wtf !!!!` and as soon as confirmation of that rumour came, we mass suicided to get our buts back in albion. So, yes, we had a bg going (my emain BG just became defense BG. When i needed to go afk for 45 mins due to rl stuff, i handed the bg over and favail took leadership on her from there) by the time you hit our shores we already had a few groups rushing to or in beno.

and believe me, for the first 3 hours, i was convinced we were going to lose relics....

Did we outnumber in the end ? yes.

But untill we had the numerical advantage, it was only good coordination, planning and a remarkable willingness to work toghether that saved the day for us.

A realm used to zerging (cause the majority of us usually lose fg vs fg) has advantages over realms used to single fg roaming in times of dire stress i guess. I remember the times in the OF when we wanted to get past AMG we needed to form a zerg or we would just get farmed between apk and amg.

2 years of being on the receiving end of the beating made a lot of us in dedicated zergers i guess.

 

[Mas]

Nice pic of my Friar (Gov/Tarts/Harpies Cloak) in the foreground. The guild (TMM) Colours of Royal Blue/Black look cool.

Aye TMM the legendary Zerg leader Muy was in that wasnt he, still you would have looked cooler if it was one fg that came in instead of the usual zerg that steamrolls all opposition like locusts, it must be like playing hungry hippo's on alb all dying to get that rp.

 

[Muylaetrix]

>>Aye TMM the legendary Zerg leader Muy was in that wasnt he,

lol

>still you would have looked cooler if it was one fg that came in instead of the usual zerg that steamrolls all opposition like locusts,

Sorry we got bored of releasing every 5 mins...

>>it must be like playing hungry hippo's on alb all dying to get that rp.

i made 22k, most people in my group earned 30+ k (i happen to die more and earn less rp per kill), i we roam as a fg, we release 20 times in a day and earn 2k.

The only way i earn more rp in rvr then when i do assasin missions is when i get a zerg behind me.

For the average alb running in a pick up group (free rp), rvr means releasing without earning rp.

Sorry, I`d rather Rule In Hell than be practice target.

RvR for the masses, not the select few !!!

 

[Mas]

RvR for the masses, not the select few !!!

Aye very true, but mid/exc dont have masses, and theres less mids logging on every week, the zerg is killing rvr, you can see people getting fed up in /as /bg and /chat grps. It may be fun to lead 100 albs to take a green con tower then continue to devour other towers/keeps when we have not even a thrid of your numbers in defense. And zerging with all relics is another thing altogether... one day you'll be confined to pve as mids/hibs wont venture out for rvr anymore.

 

[Javai]

one day you'll be confined to pve as mids/hibs wont venture out for rvr anymore.

This record getting a bit worn out - Hibs out numbered us at Scath last night, without including the shrooms which outnumbered us on their own.

Its not as if you find a zerg everywhere you go nor is it the case that there are more than 30 people in 'the zerg' on most normal nights, Sunday was exceptional because of the earlier attacks in Albion.

If the Alb zerg is such a problem then why don't you go and fight Hibs?

The situation Mid has atm is very like the situation Albs had in OF, we didn't have relics to defend so noone would bother to defend keeps etc. But you have to make your own fun, noone makes you fight where the zerg is. Can't fight the Alb zerg go where it isn't - at least in NF they aren't blocking your only route into a rvr zone.

 

[Mas]

Can't fight the Alb zerg go where it isn't - at least in NF they aren't blocking your only route into a rvr zone.

This morning, 1fg camping glen docks, 2 fg Brynja Bridge, mincer and inf duo with DI bot camping arvakr docks. I finally get to hib land and lo and behold steamrolled by 1fg albs, (nowhere near crau) perhaps i should walk to hib land and kill npc's at the SW corner of the map.

 

[Javai]

This morning, 1fg camping glen docks, 2 fg Brynja Bridge, mincer and inf duo with DI bot camping arvakr docks. I finally get to hib land and lo and behold steamrolled by 1fg albs, (nowhere near crau) perhaps i should walk to hib land and kill npc's at the SW corner of the map.

But that isn't anything at all to do with the Alb zerg, 1fg killing soloers happens to all realms. Stealthers camping docks happens to all realms too.

I sympathise with that but you can't blame that on Albs per se.

 

[elbeek]

This morning, 1fg camping glen docks, 2 fg Brynja Bridge, mincer and inf duo with DI bot camping arvakr docks. I finally get to hib land and lo and behold steamrolled by 1fg albs, (nowhere near crau) perhaps i should walk to hib land and kill npc's at the SW corner of the map.

Bit like OF when Monte and co ran a fg at 8 in the morning. Not much fun I agree but you can't dictate what people do in game.

 

[Svartmetall]

Aye very true, but mid/exc dont have masses, and theres less mids logging on every week, the zerg is killing rvr, you can see people getting fed up in /as /bg and /chat grps. It may be fun to lead 100 albs to take a green con tower then continue to devour other towers/keeps when we have not even a thrid of your numbers in defense. And zerging with all relics is another thing altogether... one day you'll be confined to pve as mids/hibs wont venture out for rvr anymore.

Very true. At the time the Albs started steamrolling the Mid frontier we were out in Typhon's getting Malice for a guildie...watching the reports in /as:
"40 Albs on X Tower"
We thought ooh maybe we should go help...20 seconds later it was:
"65 Albs on X Tower"
We had a horrible 'here we go again' sinking feeling...
"90 Albs..."
"100+ Albs..."
We thought "FFS what's the point? Better to have fun and actually achieve stuff here than just feed RPs to the Albzerg".

It was like watching a horde of locusts arrive...locusts with bolt range CC, archers with more range than anyone else and all the relics...pointless to even try. Do Albs really think we're going to want to go out and just get farmed?

OMGOMG BUT MIDGARD HAS WARLOCKS AND AE STUN LOLZOR MEGAMEIGHTZZZZZ!!

Irrelevant. 5 Sorcs for every Warlock or Healer. Whatever you do, you just get steamrolled. Irrelevant is how most Mid players* are starting to feel when it comes to RvR these days - whatever you do, wherever you do it, you will get crushed by the massive numbers that Albion seems able to summon at will. Like Mas said, your zerg is killing RvR.







*Actual normal Mid players, not the small minority in uber-optimised gank groups. 8v8 is not RvR.

 

[Belomar]

Mid/Excal sure needs Mid/Prydwen, it appears.

 

[Javai]

Irrelevant is how most Mid players* are starting to feel when it comes to RvR these days - whatever you do, wherever you do it, you will get crushed by the massive numbers that Albion seems able to summon at will. Like Mas said, your zerg is killing RvR.

I repeat the points I made to Mas:

1. The 'zerg' does not exist with those numbers everynight, most nights its around 30 people tops. The Hibs manage to defend their keeps against those number quite effectively, even allowing for shrooms I'm sure on a normal night Mids can do the same.

2. The zerg by its very nature is in one place, if you don;t wanna fight the zerg go somewhere else

3. In OF this would;ve been a huge issue because we'd have sat at mmg in emain and stopped anyone getting past for a fight. In NF there are so many ways to avoid the zerg if you don't like it rvr somewhere else

4. Sunday night was exceptional because Mids and Hibs had attacked our realm with 100 people (conservative estimate on the combined forces) therefore Albs defended with similar numbers.

If Mids don't want to rvr cause they got no relics that's a problem with THEIR mentality not ours.

 

[Flimgoblin]

you would have looked cooler if it was one fg that came in

I'm sure corpses look cooler...

My fellow albs, we should heed this heartfelt plea from a poor warlock who is unable to get himself some RPs - only turn up in easily farmable amounts, preferably ungrouped (wouldn't want anyone getting healed by a DI accidentally).

 

[Borgio Finstermoor]

>>Aye TMM the legendary Zerg leader Muy was in that wasnt he,

lol

>still you would have looked cooler if it was one fg that came in instead of the usual zerg that steamrolls all opposition like locusts,

Sorry we got bored of releasing every 5 mins...

>>it must be like playing hungry hippo's on alb all dying to get that rp.

i made 22k, most people in my group earned 30+ k (i happen to die more and earn less rp per kill), i we roam as a fg, we release 20 times in a day and earn 2k.

The only way i earn more rp in rvr then when i do assasin missions is when i get a zerg behind me.

For the average alb running in a pick up group (free rp), rvr means releasing without earning rp.

Sorry, I`d rather Rule In Hell than be practice target.

RvR for the masses, not the select few !!!

Muy is still in TMM,

and as muy put it... i was top RP earner for the grp with 33k not even close to some of the massive numbers your see from characters like... warlocks.... but still respectable.

As muy rightly said when we run in a FG we get farmed, not because we are that bad (trust me we arent) but TMM doesnt EVER run a set grp, its whoever is online in /gu at the time. Hell we even run without clerics if none are around!

 

[Svartmetall]

If Mids don't want to rvr cause they got no relics that's a problem with THEIR mentality not ours.

<sigh>
Try reading my post again. It's your sheer crushing weight of numbers (aided and abetted by some overpowered ranged abilities) that's the problem. The relics are really a side issue, they're just the go-faster stripes on the side of your steamroller.

The 'zerg' does not exist with those numbers everynight

The zerg quite definitely exists with those numbers as soon as anything large scale happens, for example a RR. You know, the large-scale stuff that's supposed to be the focus of the RvR part of DAOC.

...if you don't wanna fight the zerg go somewhere else...
...if you don't like it rvr somewhere else...

Very constructive. So when an RR happens we should just 'go somewhere else'...great. Why don't we just gift-wrap large-scale RvR and hand it over to Albion. Would that make you happy?

"W00t! We own everything! We are the win!"

sound of crickets

"....wait...where is everybody?"

 

[Javai]

Very constructive. So when an RR happens we should just 'go somewhere else'...great. Why don't we just gift-wrap large-scale RvR and hand it over to Albion. Would that make you happy?

A RR isn't gonna happen atm - I have not the slightest doubt that should Mid have a relic there will be plenty of defenders around. The last time you had the Hib strength relic in Fensalir the Alb zerg were outnumbered every time we took a tower in spitting range.

Only a couple of weeks ago Mids took Eras and kept Albs from a retake by packing 3 fgs dominated by Warlocks, SMs and Healers into the Lord room, and I am sure farmed nice rps into the bargain. There are lots of things Mids as a realm could do to counter Albs, it's not our fault if you choose not to do them. (let me repeat again before you mis-quote me, no you couldn't have stopped the Alb zerg on Sunday easily but that zerg was one exceptional night brought about by attacks on Albion, on 'normal' days both Mids and Hibs have the tools available to prevent keep takes and to generate their own action elsewhere if they want to.

 

[elbeek]

Svart, you have both a very short memory and a defeatist attitude. Last night the other " seriously underpopulated" realm showed that numbers don't always count. It seems that Mids are too happy to log rather than fight atm, you cannot blame that on the so called zerg mentality of Albs. I will once again repeat myself by reminding you that Albs spent approx 2 years fighting, sometimes overwhelming odds, without any relics at all. We were accused then of zerging so really we can't win according to you.

By taking your attitude, the only way round the current situation is to make all realms identical, with exactly the same abilities and strengths. I am sure that one nights RvR with this sort of negativity would bore most to death.

It seems as though there are too many Mids ready to condemn whatever playstyle Albs decide to try. We can't win and I guess most don't really give a fuck what Mids think anyway.

 

[Bracken]

Why don't we just gift-wrap large-scale RvR and hand it over to Albion. Would that make you happy?

"W00t! We own everything! We are the win!"

sound of crickets

"....wait...where is everybody?"

Didn't know you were there Sunday night...that's exactly how it was

And you know what? We don't care. It really isn't our fault that mids only play when they are winning. There has always been an Alb zerg - that is not what determines whether mids are out or not. No, the determining factor on mid numbers is whether or not they have relics. Heck, if we could switch relics with a flick of a button we would have the ability to summon mids at will...

*Flick*

Remove mid relic...mids vanish

*Flick*

Return mid relic...mids pop


The mid problem isn't about numbers, it's about attitude. As hibs showed last night it's amazing what you can achieve if you show a bit of spirit and use the classes you have

 

[Svartmetall]

That's propaganda bullshit, Bracken, and you know it. And if you want to start accusing people of that kind of attitude...well, it's been very obvious to Mids that since you've had all the relics you've been all over our frontier much more aggressively. Of course that's bound to be pure coincidence.

Like I said before: "The relics are really a side issue, they're just the go-faster stripes on the side of your steamroller."

 

[Ging]

I've talked it over with Arthur and you can have your relics back when i've finished lvling my new cabalist.

 

[Bracken]

Like I said before: "The relics are really a side issue, they're just the go-faster stripes on the side of your steamroller."

So how is the alb zerg any different now from previously? It isn't. The only thing that's different now is Midgard's lack of relics. And of course it is "propoganda bullshit" (as you put it)...but if you want reasoned debate then you need to make reasoned posts. Simply coming out with glorified "Grats Albz you ruined the game!!!!" posts is hardly asking for genuine discussion

 

[noaim]

So how is the alb zerg any different now from previously? It isn't. The only thing that's different now is Midgard's lack of relics. And of course it is "propoganda bullshit" (as you put it)...but if you want reasoned debate then you need to make reasoned posts. Simply coming out with glorified "Grats Albz you ruined the game!!!!" posts is hardly asking for genuine discussion

You dont notice a difference between before, when mids and hibs could instaport to HW for 1 week without albs bothering to take keeps back, and now when you have 50+ albs in HW 2 minutes after 1 tower starts burning?

 

[Javai]

You dont notice a difference between before, when mids and hibs could instaport to HW for 1 week without albs bothering to take keeps back, and now when you have 50+ albs in HW 2 minutes after 1 tower starts burning?

The difference now is an Alb bg up every night and some organisation.

This is not related to relics but to some internal changes in the structures of alliances and in some groups of players starting to work together on a regular basis.

 

[noaim]

The difference now is an Alb bg up every night and some organisation.

This is not related to relics but to some internal changes in the structures of alliances and in some groups of players starting to work together on a regular basis.

Yes ofc, thats it, that it happened after you got relics is just a pure coincidence. Also, you dont think more people might join this bg because of the 6 little reasons spread out in your frontier?

And I am sure you remember the great alb-defense without relics in OF, after taking 3-4 keeps, sometimes you even saw some alb trying to defend. But I am sure it had nothing to do with you having no relics, was more likely always a PvE-raid going on when your keeps was under attack, right?

Dont get me wrong though, I couldnt care less if you zerg with 1 or 4 or 6 relics, I just want to point out to Bracken that relics do matter to all realms in terms of how active the realm is in rvr, but maybe he cant see that, possibly because of the 50 people around him blocking the view.

 

[Mas]

I'm sure corpses look cooler...

My fellow albs, we should heed this heartfelt plea from a poor warlock who is unable to get himself some RPs - only turn up in easily farmable amounts, preferably ungrouped (wouldn't want anyone getting healed by a DI accidentally).

If you check my earlier post in this thread i was on my 48 healer at the time, maybe if i was playing my warlock i may hae got some rp's but i play daoc for fun not for horny rp's.

And is 1fg an easily farmable amount against 1fg of mids ?

 

[Javai]

Yes ofc, thats it, that it happened after you got relics is just a pure coincidence.

Well since I started making the bgs and getting people together I think I can safely say how it happened. What happened was that my guild and two others made a new alliance which increased our presence in rvr and required a bg to get it organised. Gradually more people started to come long from a few other guilds, notably Muyl's group. It evolved into a regular bg from there and happened in response to the most recent patch and rvr missions NOT anythign at all to do with relics.

And I am sure you remember the great alb-defense without relics in OF, after taking 3-4 keeps, sometimes you even saw some alb trying to defend. But I am sure it had nothing to do with you having no relics, was more likely always a PvE-raid going on when your keeps was under attack, right?

I believe I've already referred to this in earlier posts, of course I remember it.

The point is that many people here are blaming Alb numbers for them not getting out into RvR that's simply not the case you defend when you have something to defend regardless of the numbers Albs bring.

 

[noaim]

Well since I started making the bgs and getting people together I think I can safely say how it happened. What happened was that my guild and two others made a new alliance which increased our presence in rvr and required a bg to get it organised. Gradually more people started to come long from a few other guilds, notably Muyl's group. It evolved into a regular bg from there and happened in response to the most recent patch and rvr missions NOT anythign at all to do with relics.

It might have been created with another reason, but honestly, do you think it would be the same success if you had 0 relics as when you have 6 relics? Do you seriously think that the same amount of people would join the bg every night if you had 0 relics? Do you think the same amount would care if Berk T2 was under attack if you had 0 relics?

I believe I've already referred to this in earlier posts, of course I remember it.

The point is that many people here are blaming Alb numbers for them not getting out into RvR that's simply not the case you defend when you have something to defend regardless of the numbers Albs bring.

The more the merrier. Although I very rarely rvr unless its in fg, I see no reason why you should roam as a "random" 1fg being instakilled free rp´s for any "real" fg, much rather fight you as 2-3fg´s then if its a better fight, and that should be alot more fun for you aswell.

 

[Mas]

The point is that many people here are blaming Alb numbers for them not getting out into RvR that's simply not the case you defend when you have something to defend regardless of the numbers Albs bring.

Regardless the fact that your realm is over poulated compared to mid? and how can 60 mids defend against 100+ albs, simple they cant its just the law of averages.


Come play mid for a day, and check out Thid, Molvik, Leirvik and NF you'll notice a similarity of what im talking about.

 

[Javai]

The more the merrier. Although I very rarely rvr unless its in fg, I see no reason why you should roam as a "random" 1fg being instakilled free rp´s for any "real" fg, much rather fight you as 2-3fg´s then if its a better fight, and that should be alot more fun for you aswell.

Unless I misunderstand you - this is exactly the rationale that started our bg. Our random groups (random in compostion of classes that is) can't compete against 'proper' rvr group so we run about in 2 or 3 fgs and then get flamed for it.

On the other point - the bg might not attract 60 people but I can be sure it'd still attract 30 or so as these are our core from the alliance/TMM/a few other regulars. And the reason we 'care' about Berks 2 being under attack is because most of us enjoy siege fights not because of relics. If you took all the relics out of the game I'd still run to defend our keep and towers or to take enemy ones because it's a part of the game I enjoy.