Lamborghini and Ferrari

[Vae]

Tbh Aston's are the ultimate in sports cars with class. There may be cars that are faster etc but none can match an Aston for the combination of speed, style and class. Just a shame they cost so bloody much

 

[Clown]

I would gladly sell a bollock for a Ferrari Enzo.

Would you sell the other bollock for insurance?

 

[leggy]

Tbh Aston's are the ultimate in sports cars with class. There may be cars that are faster etc but none can match an Aston for the combination of speed, style and class. Just a shame they cost so bloody much

Seriously, if I won the lottery tomorrow. I would still think that anyone who pays 200 grand for a car is a complete fucking idiot.

This is obviously my opinion only.

 

[Bodhi]

Tbh Aston's are the ultimate in sports cars with class. There may be cars that are faster etc but none can match an Aston for the combination of speed, style and class. Just a shame they cost so bloody much

Lots can match the Aston, mainly Ferraris and Lamborghinis. They also go round corners and dont have shit paddle shift gearboxes. Astons are just poser mobiles that kinda do the sports cars thing, Fezzas and Lambos are sports cars that kinda do the poser mobile thing.

 

[old.user4556]

Astons are just poser mobiles that kinda do the sports cars thing.

I absolutely disagree with you there Bodhi, what about Aston's DB9R which came fourth in it's debut race and I expect will do very well at Le Mans. Not bad for a poser mobile .

Aston Martin bring together the best performance, the best style, the best build quality, the best looks and the best in-car audio (Linn).

I will admit though, that there are hyper cars out there that will perform better such as the Koenigsegg, Zonda, Porsche GT but I feel that these are more performance orientated than a very fast, executive leather sofa that is the Aston.

Of course, none of us own these cars - so what the fuck do we know .

 

[Tom]

I beat Rio Ferdiand's DB9 a few weeks ago.















I beat him reversing out of the car park that is, after we'd interviewed him

 

[Embattle]

I love the DB9, even if it isn't the fastest car around.

 

[Bodhi]

I absolutely disagree with you there Bodhi, what about Aston's DB9R which came fourth in it's debut race and I expect will do very well at Le Mans. Not bad for a poser mobile .

Aston Martin bring together the best performance, the best style, the best build quality, the best looks and the best in-car audio (Linn).

Best build quality? Astons are notorious for being tempremental, the Stig broke 3 Vanquish S's trying to get a hot lap out of it. Best looks? Nah, all their models looks identical. They' came up with a nice design with the DB7, but all their doing is rehashing that over and over again. In fact they didn't even come up with that design themselves they nicked it off Jaguar (the XK8). They're getting almost as bad as Porsche. I mean the new AMV8 will be easily mistaken for a Vanquish (or more worryingly for Vanquish drivers the other way round), if you mistake a Ferrari F430 for a 575 Maranello you need you eyes tested. Don't get me wrong Astons are great cars, but I'd never ever buy one. There are much better cars availible for the money.

For instance, the new V8 is coming out at around 70-80k. You want a sporty 70K leather armchair? Why settle for a weedy V8 when you can have an F1 bred V10, 3 extra seats and a massive boot, build quality to put the Aston to shame, better handling, just as much style (in my opinion anyway), an awesome seven speed sequential gearbox ,launch control to give you the edge off the traffic lights from those pesky 911's and a racing pedigree to rival even the mighty Ferrari (when they enter an event they tend to win it). Oh and did I mention it has a V10 engine? Just in case you havent guessed yet, here's a pic.

You do get the standard 5 series stereo I expect, but that's cool as fuck. It all works through i-drive and you get some funky ass readouts. They may dissapear when you start fiddling with the suspension settings tho. Can't do that on an Aston can you?

 

[old.user4556]

I'd say invalid argument though, a bit like Top Gear's Evo 8 FQ-400 v's Lamborghini Murcielago argument where the FQ-400 was quicker track wise.

Why bother with with a £170k supercar when you can get so much more practicality for £35k. But then, why bother with the FQ-400 at £35k when the FQ-330 is cheaper still and barely nothing in the performance stakes, but then why not get a second hand Evo 6 for £12k which is nearly as quick again.

Horses for courses, the M5 gives you supercar performance with a practical big boot but so does the Audi RS6. The Aston is a rich boy's tourer, something that BM and Audi don't do, until the M6 arrives.

It boils down to "if you've got the money, then why not".

BMW's range are notorious for looking identical, you can't tell the difference between a 318c, a 330c or even an M3 until you get close enough to spot the large alloys and bonnet bulge - slap on a set of M sport alloys on a 318c and you'd be hard pushed to spot the difference on a busy road. The aformentioned supercars have a totally unique and exclusive look.

That could be any 5 series with large alloys .

At least with Ferrari, Aston, Lamborghini - they all go like shit regardless of the model. So when you see one, you know it's a killer - and that's what it comes down to: image. To the untrained eye, the RS6 or the M5 could be a base model.

Don't get me wrong, the M5 is an awesome car; but you can't compare the two - they both have an individual purpose and both of them do it very well.

M5 for weekends away with mates to the golf club, DB9 for nights away with the Mrs .

Edit: i'll cut my bollocks off and fry them if that out-handles the V8 vantage, the M5 will be of oil tanker weight compared to (still heavy relatively) a two seater, low centre of gravity sports car.

 

[Bodhi]

The M5 weighs about 100kilos less than a Vanquish and a DB9 already, and I can't see the AMV8 being much lighter. And did I mention that it has a V10??

You could mistake it for a normal 5 series with big alloys maybe, but you couldn't mistake it for an M3 or a 7 series like you could with the Astons. But remember I'm only comparing the M5 with the AMV8, being availible at a similar price and doing broadly similar jobs. Just the M5's faster and carries more people.

 

[old.user4556]

M5 is 1775kg, V8 is 1570 kg - so about 200 kg lighter.

Faster as in being 0-62 in 0.2 secs quicker? and both limited to 155 mph? There's really nothing in it.

They're both delicious machines with brilliant performance, think we should draw the line there .

 

[Bodhi]

M5 is 1775kg, V8 is 1570 kg - so about 200 kg lighter.

Faster as in being 0-62 in 0.2 secs quicker? and both limited to 155 mph? There's really nothing in it.

They're both delicious machines with brilliant performance, think we should draw the line there .

Faster as in about 15 seconds faster round the Nurburgring and a top speed of 205 if you ask the nice man at a chipping company to take the limiter off. an extra 50bhp per tonne won't harm its chances either.

of course you could just save yourself 10 grand and have a second hand 550 Maranello. Damn there's too much choice at these prive levels.

 

[Brynn]

M3 is sex on wheels.

 

[Tom]

Isn't that a CSL?

 

[Embattle]

Yes, but not that one. (<--To Bryn)

I like the M5 but sharing a common body with one of the best executive cars means I wouldn't put it in the same sort of class as the Aston. I agree with Bods about the Vanquish and it being rather tempermental, I was watching Vicki Butler-Henderson trying to turn right on full lock while putting her foot down from a standstill.....the belt came off and they called the local Aston dealer in who arrived in a heli, he was back 10 minutes later after it happened again.

 

[Bodhi]

Isn't that a CSL?

No that's a GTR. The CSL is way sexier.

*dribble*

 

[DaGaffer]

No that's a GTR. The CSL is way sexier.

*dribble*

Nearly 60 grand for a 3-series; its just not special enough, inside or out, for that kind of money, and I don't care that it has a carbon-fibre roof; it also has a cardboard boot floor and no air-con; fuck that. If I was going to buy that kind of car (second hand ), I'd get a Skyline R34.

As for the argument about Astons all looking the same, I kind of agree, but at the same time, think, "so what?" At least they all look the same in a really, really good way. The other thing about Astons is that (at least in this country), other drivers seem to be really positive about them, whereas the automatic reaction to a Ferrari or a Porsche is 'wanker' (I'm not sure about Lambos - people don't seem to hate them the way they hate Ferraris; maybe its the rarity value).

 

[Brynn]

Porsches aren't so rare anymore.

Was reading in the paper about middle aged men buying fast cars was nicknamed the "Men-o-porshe"

 

[Tom]

I've never heard of a Ferrari driver being called a wanker. They're still quite rare in the North of the country, whereas you see Porsches most days.

 

[DaGaffer]

I've never heard of a Ferrari driver being called a wanker. They're still quite rare in the North of the country, whereas you see Porsches most days.

In London Ferrari = Arab on Diplomatic Plates driving like a twat, or, footballer who can't drive properly, or, City boy with a fat bonus, or, JayKay - as you can see, not great role models.

 

[old.Tohtori]

In London Ferrari = Arab on Diplomatic Plates driving like a twat, or, footballer who can't drive properly, or, City boy with a fat bonus, or, JayKay - as you can see, not great role models.

And the drivers call themselves: "Considerebly richer then ya"

 

[Panda On Smack]

www.koenigsegg.com

Fastest production car

 

[dysfunction]

One of those was parked outside my house the other day. I couldnt stop looking at it.

 

[DaGaffer]

www.koenigsegg.com

Fastest production car

Have you seen the gumball DVD? The Koenigsegg broke down everywhere. I think the guy driving it finished the event on the back of a towtruck.

 

[old.user4556]

Faster as in about 15 seconds faster round the Nurburgring and a top speed of 205 if you ask the nice man at a chipping company to take the limiter off.

I take ring times with a bucket of salt, it's hardly a representative of everyday use in which both cars (particularly in the UK) will perform equally well. Like I say, they've both got performance to die for and neither one is better than the other being aimed at two totally different areas of the market.

Have you seen the gumball DVD? The Koenigsegg broke down everywhere. I think the guy driving it finished the event on the back of a towtruck.

Yeah, found that really quite funny actually.

 

[Tom]

Supercars do have a tendency to break down, its not unusual. People point and laugh when they see a Ferrari on a low-loader, well I say let them laugh while they drive around in their crappy eurobox.

 

[DaGaffer]

Supercars do have a tendency to break down, its not unusual. People point and laugh when they see a Ferrari on a low-loader, well I say let them laugh while they drive around in their crappy eurobox.

That's clearly bollocks. If a car costs 370 grand(!) as the Koenigsegg does, you've a right to expect it run for more than 200 miles at a time, and you should expect to be laughed at when it doesn't. Porsche can make reliable supercars (a 340K Carrera GT will be just as reliable as a 40K Boxster), so there's no excuse.

 

[Bodhi]

Nearly 60 grand for a 3-series; its just not special enough, inside or out, for that kind of money, and I don't care that it has a carbon-fibre roof; it also has a cardboard boot floor and no air-con; fuck that. If I was going to buy that kind of car (second hand ), I'd get a Skyline R34.

Yeah but Jeremy Clarkson called it the best handling car on sale today at any price, and the engine noise alone is worth 60K. No air-con? Please, stay out of these kinda discussions. Performance cars are not rated on whether they've got fucking air con or not. If they are the Ferrari F40 is like the worst performance car ever, and we all know that's a load of bollocks.

The Koenigsegg only arrived on the back of a trailer because the police impounded it due to the driver repeatedly exceeding 200mph all the way across the USA. It did break down a couple of times yes, it didn't seem too happy with a sustained 240mph cruise. It still made it further than you average Aston would. The new Koenigsegg CCR is insane, one of the evo hack span it trying to floor it at 170mph.....IN A STRAIGHT LINE!!!! It's all about the new Bugatti tho. 1000bhp, 252 mph, 0-124 in about 7 seconds. Even Macca drivers wont see which way it went.

 

[Embattle]

It's all about the new Bugatti tho. 1000bhp, 252 mph, 0-124 in about 7 seconds. Even Macca drivers wont see which way it went.

When they finally stop the Veyron breaking due to all that power.

 

[old.user4556]

Talk of coney-segg and Bugatti Veyron has turned this a bit pub talk.

This is for you Bodhi, i hope i catch you in a good humour day

BMW's brand new M5 has stunned road testers with its performance, handling and a remarkable 11 separate modes for the car's seven-speed SMG sequential gearbox. However, despite claims that this is simply "too many" modes, engineers in Munich are said to be hard at work on even more selectable options for future versions of the semi-manual transmission. "You can never have too many modes," said one high-ranking engineeringer.

"That's why the next generation SMG will come with over 100 user selectable settings, almost all of them bafflingly pointless. To begin with there will be some fairly obvious choices such as 'Sport' which offers a more aggressive change strategy, 'Track Sport' which offers even more aggressive change strategy, and 'Club Sport' which offers a change strategy so aggressive that on every upchange the car will literally smack the driver in the face with a big club. These settings will be joined by other sport modes including 'Lucozade Sport', 'Sky Sport' and 'Dickie Davies' World Of Sport'"

However, our Munich source says that this is just the tip of a very silly, gearbox-related iceberg. "The real developments for the next SMG system will come in automatic mode," he claims. "Traditional autoboxes typically feature just a simple 'Winter' mode. We will take this to the next logical step with 'Spring', 'Summer' and 'Autumn' modes, plus additional settings including 'Drizzle', 'Light Breeze', 'Slightly Overcast' and 'Oooh, It's Mild For The Time Of Year' modes".

Our BMW spy also claims that further developments may include modes selectable on the basis of the driver's mood, including 'Comfort', 'Tired', 'Bloody Annoyed' and 'Strangely Wistful'. However, he denied recent rumours that we may also in future see a 'Shouldn't You Have Decided On The Car's Settings For Us Since You're The Fucking Engineers' mode.

STOP PRESS: There was anger at BMW last night following the return of a new M5 press car used for an Autocar road test. Munich sources say the vehicle may have to be scrapped because the interior was 'drenched in spunk'.

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