Know the feeling ?

[Olgaline]

So We've just had company over "friends of my Gf's family"
so to cap off the meal we offered "after desert" coffee and Dinks

And as I'm no tight ass, I also included some of my fine whiskies & cognacs up for choice. Anyway with the serving as always the tray is acompanied by a chug of tap water, some sparkeling/none sparkeling bottle water and ofc here's the thing, also Ice ofc.

"by now anyone who enjoys a good single malt will be on the edge of thier seats"

Now then, the laidies go for the soft stuff as usual "irish coffe/sherry ect"
but the bloke, much to my pleasure goes for the "OMC 23y Talisker" and even takes the right glass, all good and fine by now and I'm much in anticipation since I'm expecting him to be impressed by this really excellent whisky wich btw is bloody close to imposible to find these days!!

Anyway, he pours, he snifs, and then! he reaches for what i thought was the chug of water to maybe thin it down abit ? but No! he graps 3 ice cubes and splash they go right into the whisky! he stirs, swallows half the glass, turns and goes mmm...this is really good mate.

now the demon in me really wanted to jump the guy, turn his head upside down and squize every little drop of my whisky back into the bottle, but ofc as a true host i mearly nodded and replied, yeah isnt it?

anyone els know the feeling ?
just wanting to jump at a guests/co-guests throught, but leaving it due to "maners" ?

do share stories

 

[Iceforge]

I see how swallowing half a glass could anoy you, but I more hate people who try to dictate how I should drink what I drink.

I.e. people going "you should max use 2 ice cubes in Whisky" or anything like that.

Drinking it slow and enjoying it through should be done, thats just a question of maners that when someone offers one something nice to drink, you don't just swallow half of it like some barbarian

 

[old.Tohtori]

And you weren't about to jump the guy when you thought he was gonna "thin down" whiskey? Call yourself a ...pfft...bah!

Don't know the feeling, 'cause i tell people off if need be. Host is not a doormat duty.

 

[Iceforge]

So you would seriously tell a guest off for chosing to drink something you offer in the way they prefer?

I can see the anger for swallowing and not enjoying what was given, but flinting over "using to many ice cubes" or "thin it down" is just silly

 

[Olgaline]

using ice cubes in whisky does affect the whisky mate. "due to tempreture"

and especially with older whisky's where often the nuances can be very suddle if affects the taste, becuase what your effectivly doing by putting icecubes into whisky is lowering it's tempreture and ofc "watering it down" but by lowering the temp your also "numbing" the taste and aroma, and if your gona do that, then whats the point in tasting an old complex whisky to begin with ?

thats all I'm saying

And note that I never told him how to or comented on it at all, I left him to it and let him enjoy the pleasure of getting to try an old rare whisky "wich mentaly prob had the same affect" even tho i might not have agreed with his methods.

so to sum up, no I'd never "dictate how someone should drink thier bevrage" but dont tell me it dosent affect the bevrage, it does!

best "cheap" way if you want to test it is go buy two small bottle of snaps and put one in the freezer and leave one on the table at room temp. now leave them for a hour or so and pour the room temp one first and taste that, then rince with water and go pour the freezer snaps, you'll be suprised at the difference

 

[Olgaline]

And you weren't about to jump the guy when you thought he was gonna "thin down" whiskey? Call yourself a ...pfft...bah!

Don't know the feeling, 'cause i tell people off if need be. Host is not a doormat duty.

well,

No if people want to thin down with a few drops of water i dont mind, all it does really is take off some of the edge from vol and smokyness, I hardly do it, but I've done it once or twice with the cask strength whiskies 55%+

some of tho's wont just tare hair off your chest they'll bloody rip the skin and turn your intestains inside out! and put hiars on you lips

altho when it comes to the ehm mainstream whisky and bourbons i couldn't care less what poeple do.

also i like this quote

For example, it is considered improper to put ice cubes in good whisky. It's a bit like putting ice cubes in wine or champagne. You can do it, but if you do, you may as well drink wine out of a box in the fridge. It's cheaper, and the end result will taste the same.

 

[old.Tohtori]

So you would seriously tell a guest off for chosing to drink something you offer in the way they prefer?

I can see the anger for swallowing and not enjoying what was given, but flinting over "using to many ice cubes" or "thin it down" is just silly

Now now, don't twist things.

I said i tell people off if they piss me off especially in my place, not that i would say something about someones drinking habbits.

To Olgaline, you can't say "3 ice cubes in my whiskey man!", and then not react to watering down the same stuff. It's a bit hypocritical, you know?

You don't put water in whiskey, or any other stuff.

Heck, even ice is a bit iffy i my books.

 

[Bleeker]

never understood the whole whisky thing, tried so many different kind and never got the taste for it and that includes straight up, with water or with ice. actually i dont even like beer or any kind of alcohol.... but i drink it anyway to get drunk (like once every year or two)


am i wierd? hope not :/

 

[old.Tohtori]

Nah, just swedish

 

[Wonk]

Nah, just swedish

I was just about to write exactly the same thing.

 

[Binky the Bomb]

Yes, I know the feeling.

I have family in Ireland who are originally from the UK, including my mum and grandfather. I used to bring stuff for my mum and granddad (Chorley cakes and Cheshire cheese, stuff we in the UK take for granddad, but you just can't get them over there). Every time I took stuff over for them, other relatives (former UK citizens) would descend the day I arrived, and within hours, the cakes and cheese were scoffed by them. My grandfather was lucky to get a few sandwiches out of it, and that really fucking annoyed me. I tried to make an issue of it, but my mum told me not to say anything as one of them was 'helping' them get a loan from the bank were she worked. Three trips later, no news on the loan, but she still turned up to scoff my grandfathers presents.

After a year, I stopped bringing anything, and after two trips they stopped showing up. I ended up getting the loan sorted out. There had been a postcode error, a simple matter sorted out after 30 mins for searching for it. This is now going on for 5 years ago now. Every time I see the two faced cow, I want to just chock her to death with her own damn tongue, but I keep my cool, and remind her of how inept a banker she must be to not see the postcode was wrong.

After all, the loan was to sort out the heating in my granddads flat, so it was fairly important. Since this happened, they don't come round if at all possible whilst I'm there, meaning my granddad can enjoy the stuff I bring for him. Still, wanting to punch a fat greedy relative in the face, its tempting....

 

[Mey]

I hate cooking a roast or some other big meal and then some cretin asking for Ketchup, No just fucking no!

 

[Shagrat]

If he wants to drink whisky with ice cubes in, so friggin what. Just because he's a guest in your house doesnt mean he has to eat and drink the same way you do...

People are different, they enjoy different things.

Tolerance of others is a fine and noble condition.

 

[Mey]

If he wants to drink whisky with ice cubes in, so friggin what. Just because he's a guest in your house doesnt mean he has to eat and drink the same way you do...

People are different, they enjoy different things.

Tolerance of others is a fine and noble condition.

Feck off

 

[old.Tohtori]

People are different, they enjoy different things.

Tolerance of others is a fine and noble condition.

People are actually all alike, just thinking that they are different. If everyone thinks they are different, their the same.

And being overtolerant is an ill condition.

 

[Shagrat]

People are actually all alike, just thinking that they are different. If everyone thinks they are different, their the same.

And being overtolerant is an ill condition.

What a load of old cobblers that is. So because I think I am different to you I'm actually the same?

 

[old.Tohtori]

What a load of old cobblers that is. So because I think I am different to you I'm actually the same?

Exactly.

Because, if i think i'm different, and you think you're different, then we're alike. We may dress different, but we dress for the same reasons. We may like different music, but we like it for the same reason. We may think that we're different, but infact, we're no more different then the person next to us.

 

[Shagrat]

Sorry dont agree with that at all.

I'm sure there is someone out there who would say:
"I wear leather because I like the way it chafes against my nipples."

Might even be you I can categorically say that that is one criteria that doesnt cross my mind at all when I am getting dressed.

There are an immeasurable number of criteria that makes each of us different from the other from upbringing to peer groups. I've mixed with different social circles, experienced things that have changed my outlook on life that you havent. This makes me a different person to you.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Sorry dont agree with that at all.

I'm sure there is someone out there who would say:
"I wear leather because I like the way it chafes against my nipples."

Might even be you I can categorically say that that is one criteria that doesnt cross my mind at all when I am getting dressed.

There are an immeasurable number of criteria that makes each of us different from the other from upbringing to peer groups. I've mixed with different social circles, experienced things that have changed my outlook on life that you havent. This makes me a different person to you.

Ofcourse it does, you are a different individual, but it doesn't change the fact that you wanting to be different is no different from me wanting to be different. And as such, we are all the same, just in a different manner.

You can dress anyway, any reason, yet you dress for a reason(don't try and say "i dress in anything", because that, in itself, would be a style) and since you dress for a reason, be what it may, and i dress for a reason, even if different reason, we're still dressing our way for the SAME reason, for our reasons.

 

[noblok]

Ofcourse it does, you are a different individual, but it doesn't change the fact that you wanting to be different is no different from me wanting to be different. And as such, we are all the same, just in a different manner.

That's not what's being said. If A wants to drink alcohol and B wants to drink water, they do not want to be different from one another: they want to drink alcohol/water. Being different is a side effect, not the goal.

You can dress anyway, any reason, yet you dress for a reason(don't try and say "i dress in anything", because that, in itself, would be a style) and since you dress for a reason, be what it may, and i dress for a reason, even if different reason, we're still dressing our way for the SAME reason, for our reasons.

Heh. And I have the same (physical) constitution as my dog: my own constitution. "One's own" does not have a fixed referent and as such the "one's own" in one sentence can't (always) be said to be the same as the "one's own" in another sentence.

 

[old.Tohtori]

That's not what's being said. If A wants to drink alcohol and B wants to drink water, they do not want to be different from one another: they want to drink alcohol/water. Being different is a side effect, not the goal.

What's being said was said by me, so i think it's you who should be listening to a "not what's being said".

About the latter part, don't follow. Explain more if you will.

 

[Iceforge]

well,

No if people want to thin down with a few drops of water i dont mind, all it does really is take off some of the edge from vol and smokyness, I hardly do it, but I've done it once or twice with the cask strength whiskies 55%+

some of tho's wont just tare hair off your chest they'll bloody rip the skin and turn your intestains inside out! and put hiars on you lips

altho when it comes to the ehm mainstream whisky and bourbons i couldn't care less what poeple do.

also i like this quote

Well, I don't like whisky without ice, usually only 1 or 2, unless the whisky is cold, preferably around 0 degrees celcius, I won't drink it, I think it tastes foul and like piss until it is cooled.

I can appreciate various different whisky's and their differences in taste.

My dad brew some himself as well and got some extremely rare samples, so I tasted quite a range of whisky, but you could never get me to drink it uncooled, as I, opposit of you, think thats butchering the whisky and not appreciating it, but I don't say something to those who drink it neat, they more than welcome too do so, but it doesn't mean that they are right and their way is the only true way, hence I feel it is ridiculous when someone tells me it is harmfull to the whisky to put ice cubes in it and waiting on it to cool.

Cognac on the other hand, needs to be heated before drinking to me, but I think thats the standard... through, I won't say anything to anyone who prefers to drink that without heating it or even with icecubes... each to their own.

I just think it is very belittling of the host to even be frustrated about someone coming icecubes in their whisky if you offered the whisky in the first place.

I can see the point if the frustration had been solely about slamming half of it down in one gulp, but being frustrated at someone drinking and prefering it differently from you is just silly

 

[Bahumat]

I bet you wanted to drink a pink of his stuff!

 

[Mey]

Did seal just open a rift in time.. I swear he is just creating paradox's!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Did seal just open a rift in time.. I swear he is just creating paradox's!

I'd say thank you, but i doubt that was a compliment. In which case, i should say thank you anyway, to counter such evil way of saying nice things.

Thank you.

 

[Mey]

I'd say thank you, but i doubt that was a compliment. In which case, i should say thank you anyway, to counter such evil way of saying nice things.

Thank you.

It was a compliment

I just thought the way you put your argument across was fairly fun as you had to say it over and over again aka paradoxs

 

[old.Tohtori]

It was a compliment

I just thought the way you put your argument across was fairly fun as you had to say it over and over again aka paradoxs

Posting is fun see?

Thank you again, but now in a more honest and caring manner.

 

[Olgaline]

I'm sorry IceF but!

first off I never said anything to him now did I ?
And If thats the way you choose to drink whisky, well so be it, thats your choice just like it was his choice to do so "I never stated otherwise" . But it sure as feck also my right to disagree with it. and tbh the ketchup story really hits the nail in comparing. nothing "wrong" with adding it, and it's your choice and it's individual taste weather you like it or not, but adding it sure as hell significantly ulters that meal. same thing goes for ice in whisky/cognac or any other "brandy" it will numb it. and especially numb the aroma.

It's not a question of liking one or the other or a persons right ,to preference.


to me, he might as well have taken one of the cheaper whiskies, he clearly went for the "oldest" not having a clue, and it wasnt a case of isolated adding of ice but the combination of things wich to me seemed wasting of a rare and old whisky. so why should I not have the right to get anoyed with that ???

I dont get it,

And I'll stand by the statement that if you cool whisky you loose not just some but alot of the nuances that make that particular whisky. especially with older whiskies! and sure you might like it that way, and you might quite be able to taste variouse styles of whisky even with ice, but the point is to get the full potential, and taste it "as intended" you cannot add anything, even andding a few drops of water will change the whskies charataristic some what but not as much as ice. that can be to ones preference or it might not, that not the point tho! got it by now ?

liking or not liking it with ice is not the bloody point!! or your right to add ice or not!

and adding ice, I very much dout you'll be able to taste the difference between a 15year old and an 18 year old whiksy of the same lable. often the diferences are so suddle and colour/aroma/smokyness/vol that adding ice well.....

An exeption is when dealing with really old whiskies, 30+ here adding a few drops of water can radically change "awaken" the whisky, and you'll find that what might initially seemed abit borring is suddenly full of life and taste.


but!
Dont tell me it dosent affect the whisky if you add ice to it, it does!


/walks off in to the sunset with with a glass of his danish Irish scotch "just for toht"

 

[Iceforge]

First off, I never said that you said anything to him, the part about telling him off was directed at Tothori which said he would have.

Second off, I am well aware that adding ice to the whisky changes the flavour, altering or however you want to put it, and sure, I never claim to be able to taste the difference between a 15 year old and a 18 year old of the same brand, but until now, you didn't make it clear that there was more than 1 type of whisky on the table for him to pick from, you said you found WHISKY and COGNAC, not several types of whisky and cognac, so to me, it seemed like you had picked out your old expensive and rare whisky and offered it to him specificly.

But you are still going on your blind conviction that your way is the right and proper way and the other way (adding ice) is wrong, so not much point in argueing it.

I never said it doesn't affect the whisky to put ice in it, I specificly said it did, as I said whisky, to me, taste like PISS unless there is ice in it, i.e. the ice affected it.

So atleast if you want to respond to my critic, respond to it and not make a strawman of something I never did say in the first place

 

[Olgaline]

First off, I never said that you said anything to him, the part about telling him off was directed at Tothori which said he would have.

ah oki

but until now, you didn't make it clear that there was more than 1 type of whisky on the table for him to pick from, you said you found WHISKY and COGNAC, not several types of whisky and cognac, so to me, it seemed like you had picked out your old expensive and rare whisky and offered it to him specificly.

no I had a "large viriaty" including some very cheap bourbins and some "fine selections" but imo and i quote seems preaty clear to me

And as I'm no tight ass, I also included some of my fine whiskies & cognacs up for choice

But you are still going on your blind conviction that your way is the right and proper way and the other way (adding ice) is wrong, so not much point in argueing it.

I'm sorry if thats how it seems, it's not ment as such, really it isnt, I just often come off very "in your face in writing, it's often not my intention, dono why that is. guess I'll never be much of n author or journalist

I never said it doesn't affect the whisky to put ice in it, I specificly said it did, as I said whisky, to me, taste like PISS unless there is ice in it, i.e. the ice affected it.

It just seemed that way, but i guess i overracted due to it seeming that most missed the point of my post. as not so much a is it right or wrong but as how i felt about it and how I reacted to it or rather didnt react.

So atleast if you want to respond to my critic, respond to it and not make a strawman of something I never did say in the first place

I hardly think I'm doing that? I was mearly trying to get my point though more clearly as it seemed you missed the core of my post. so instead of going of on a long discussion where we speak past eachother for 5 pages .........
it wasnt an attack on you, I'm sorry if thats the impression you got.