Know the feeling ?

[Jeros]

well,

No if people want to thin down with a few drops of water i dont mind, all it does really is take off some of the edge from vol and smokyness, I hardly do it, but I've done it once or twice with the cask strength whiskies 55%+

some of tho's wont just tare hair off your chest they'll bloody rip the skin and turn your intestains inside out! and put hiars on you lips

altho when it comes to the ehm mainstream whisky and bourbons i couldn't care less what poeple do.

also i like this quote

Are you like what 50?

 

[old.Tohtori]

First off, I never said that you said anything to him, the part about telling him off was directed at Tothori which said he would have.

Who said, i'm not a thing

Anyhoo, and this was explained earlier, i wouldn't have told him off for it.

 

[noblok]

What's being said was said by me, so i think it's you who should be listening to a "not what's being said".

About the latter part, don't follow. Explain more if you will.

I thought the argument started with Shagrat saying everybody's different, to which you replied they weren't. I still think so, but maybe I keep missing an earlier post by you .

The latter part: if A enjoys X for "his own reasons" and B enjoys Y for "his own reasons", they do not enjoy X and Y for the same reasons. A's "own reasons" are different from B's "own reasons", you can't just say they're the same: it's the same word group, but the referent is different.

Similarly: I have my own constitution, my dog has his own constitution. This does not mean we have the same constitution.

Also: if everybody thinks they're different, they are the same in that respect. In innumerable other aspects they are in fact different.

 

[Iceforge]

Who said, i'm not a thing

Anyhoo, and this was explained earlier, i wouldn't have told him off for it.

Was defending my previous comments; That you later explained that was not what you meant doesn't change why I wrote what I wrote when I wrote it... can we agree?

no I had a "large viriaty" including some very cheap bourbins and some "fine selections" but imo and i quote seems preaty clear to me

Ah, I misread it then, I got it to be 1 whisky and 1 cognac. In that case, I myself might have tasted the different ones with ice, depending on whatever or not I would have to be driving home afterwards. I am not so fantaticly into whiskies that I would know about them just by the label, so I would probarly ask about them before taking anything and I would put ice into my glass before reaching for a bottle. If the host then says he would prefer me not to drink a specific one with ice, I would reach for another. He is the the expert and the host, I just like whisky on a more layman level than as an expert of whisky, do enjoy trying new ones, but drink it so rarely I would probarly not be able to tell a big difference, depending on what variety of whisky you had made aviable.

It just seemed that way, but i guess i overracted due to it seeming that most missed the point of my post. as not so much a is it right or wrong but as how i felt about it and how I reacted to it or rather didnt react.

I hardly think I'm doing that? I was mearly trying to get my point though more clearly as it seemed you missed the core of my post. so instead of going of on a long discussion where we speak past eachother for 5 pages .........
it wasnt an attack on you, I'm sorry if thats the impression you got.

Glad you didn't mean to do a personal attack, but yes, you did strawman me, by saying I should not tell you that putting ice in the whisky didn't affect it, and then doing a long rant about why putting ice in the whisky affects it. Very well attack on the idea/strawman of ice not affecting whisky, but as I didn't say that and you directed your post at me in the start, it was a strawman.

 

[Marc]

Remind me to never go to a party at Olgalines house. I might piss in the toilet the wrong way.

 

[Bahumat]

Remind me to never go to a party at Olgalines house. I might piss in the toilet the wrong way.

Was it Olgaline who caught his sister doing stuff?

 

[old.Tohtori]

I thought the argument started with Shagrat saying everybody's different, to which you replied they weren't. I still think so, but maybe I keep missing an earlier post by you .

The latter part: if A enjoys X for "his own reasons" and B enjoys Y for "his own reasons", they do not enjoy X and Y for the same reasons. A's "own reasons" are different from B's "own reasons", you can't just say they're the same: it's the same word group, but the referent is different.

Similarly: I have my own constitution, my dog has his own constitution. This does not mean we have the same constitution.

Also: if everybody thinks they're different, they are the same in that respect. In innumerable other aspects they are in fact different.

Checked back and yes, i do have to agree that i countered shagrats comment first. But it's still what was being said

About latter:

I get that now, but, have to disagree(suprise). It depends on waht you look at in the endgame. Let's say A bungie jumps, he does it ultimately to feel good(adrenaline). Let's say B drives a nascar, does it to feel good too(adrenaline). The reason A bungie jumps is 'cause he's confident in high places and likes it more then nascar, The reason B nascars, is the same as A, but with tables turned.

We dress to look ourselves(feel good), we eat what we like(pleasure), we shag who we find attractive(bojojoing!) we do what makes us feel good(endorfines etc), but the ultimate reasons for doing these things remain the same

If we were to conform into things, then we'd be different, as all could not enjoy the same things in same level all the time.

Iceforge; Yes, you were, just thought it needed clearing up as it seemed you were still keeping the stance

 

[kirennia]

Wtf, you didn't offer coke with it?

 

[Sharma]

I prefer my whisky with 2 cubes of ice.

It's teh yum.

 

[noblok]

I get that now, but, have to disagree(suprise). It depends on waht you look at in the endgame. Let's say A bungie jumps, he does it ultimately to feel good(adrenaline). Let's say B drives a nascar, does it to feel good too(adrenaline). The reason A bungie jumps is 'cause he's confident in high places and likes it more then nascar, The reason B nascars, is the same as A, but with tables turned.

This works for your example, but take the following example:
A sees a drowning cat, jumps in the water and saves it. He does this not to feel good, but simply because he thinks it's the right thing to do.
B sees a drowning cat, keeps on walking. He does this because he has a job interview in 5 minutes and he can't show up compeltely soaked.

A and B make different choices and have different reasons/motives for making the choice they make.

 

[old.Tohtori]

This works for your example, but take the following example:
A sees a drowning cat, jumps in the water and saves it. He does this not to feel good, but simply because he thinks it's the right thing to do.
B sees a drowning cat, keeps on walking. He does this because he has a job interview in 5 minutes and he can't show up compeltely soaked.

A and B make different choices and have different reasons/motives for making the choice they make.

If you look at it that way, yes. But:

A would have to care about cats.
B doesn't.
A would gain a good mind out of it. EVEN if he simply thinks it's the right thing to do, he does right things to feel good.
B doesn't and that makes him feel good. Or rather, nailing a job interview makes him feel good.

People don't go around life feeling miserable for choice, everyone aspires to feel good, and as such, the endgame of all our choices is the same

 

[noblok]

People don't go around life feeling miserable for choice, everyone aspires to feel good, and as such, the endgame of all our choices is the same

I disagree. While obviously people don't feel miserable by choice, I don't think the ultimate goal of all our choices is to feel good. Within certain limits "feeling good" doesn't play a role. The perfect example is a family situation: if my mother asks me to help with the dishes, I help with the dishes without making a hedonistic calculus. I just help because she asks. "Feeling good" also doesn't play a role in moral action. The moral duty appeals so strongly that you cannot take into account anything else.

But I've never managed to convince someone who held your opinion, so maybe we'll just have to agree to disgaree .

 

[old.Tohtori]

I disagree. While obviously people don't feel miserable by choice, I don't think the ultimate goal of all our choices is to feel good. Within certain limits "feeling good" doesn't play a role. The perfect example is a family situation: if my mother asks me to help with the dishes, I help with the dishes without making a hedonistic calculus. I just help because she asks. "Feeling good" also doesn't play a role in moral action. The moral duty appeals so strongly that you cannot take into account anything else.

But I've never managed to convince someone who held your opinion, so maybe we'll just have to agree to disgaree .

Oh no i understand your point, it's a valid and very general one too, simply that i look at things from a different perspective. There doesn't even need to be a right or wrong here, from certain aspect, we're both right

BUT...about the dishes...(sue me, i like to disucss things )

You actually help her because she is your mother, and knowing that if you told her to "do it yourself" would cause her ill feeling, you're doing it to preserve her good mindset. And as so, you don't have to feel guilty or such.

So basically, you're doing it to feel good. If you didn't care and would feel good regardless, you wouldn't do it

 

[noblok]

BUT...about the dishes...(sue me, i like to disucss things )

You actually help her because she is your mother, and knowing that if you told her to "do it yourself" would cause her ill feeling, you're doing it to preserve her good mindset. And as so, you don't have to feel guilty or such.

So basically, you're doing it to feel good. If you didn't care and would feel good regardless, you wouldn't do it

I don't reason like that when she asks me to do the dishes. I simply do the dishes "because she's my mother and asked me." Same with moral action: I do the right thing "because it's the right thing" and for no other reasons. I don't make a hedonistic calculus. While it may be true that I wouldn't feel as good if I caused her ill feeling, this doesn't play a role in my motivation or reasoning.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't reason like that when she asks me to do the dishes. I simply do the dishes "because she's my mother and asked me." Same with moral action: I do the right thing "because it's the right thing" and for no other reasons. I don't make a hedonistic calculus. While it may be true that I wouldn't feel as good if I caused her ill feeling, this doesn't play a role in my motivation or reasoning.

Ofcourse not. Doing stuff that makes you feel good doesn't have to be a calculated thing.

Let's take another example, like, taking a shower daily.

Someone doesn't think "i should take a shower daily to feel good", but it does make them feel good regardless. You know, doing stuff automatically for self-preservation or to feel good without noticing it without thinking.

Hmm...maybe abad example but hope you understand what i mean.

 

[noblok]

I understand your point, but then we don't do things in order to feel good. We simply do things which make us feel good, where feeling good is a (sometimes barely noticeable) side-effect and the goal is something different.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I understand your point, but then we don't do things in order to feel good. We simply do things which make us feel good, where feeling good is a (sometimes barely noticeable) side-effect and the goal is something different.

Yeah there's a difference in doing things to feel good, and doing things and feel good about them, but it wans't that much my point.

The point was, we do things for the same reasons. And this is, to better our lives, feel good ultimately, feel good about ourselves. You name it really.

I think we can agree that people do different things, but in whole, we do them for the same reasons, in the end.

I guess that's where we think different

 

[Fafnir]

Well the thing with adding ice in the whiskey makes it some what easier to drink is due to the fact that it goes colder, and you tounge and throat reacts to the cold first then the heat/flavor/smoke of the whiskey.

I'm for just adding a few drops of water. Or like a guy at Glenfiddich told me a few years ago when i was there, a good whiskey should be 6 fingers.

I started wonder what the hell he was saying. Then he explained that the whiskey in the glass should be 5 fingers high, then you add a 6th with water, to bring out the flavors.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, drinking whisk(e)y is like having sex really; do it with a stranger, one you love, your dad, mum, stepsister or a donkey...

Sure, people might disagree which is the best and they might even be disgusted in the way you do it, but it's still sex.

 

[soze]

My bullshit deflector is turned to 0 at home so i would have told him to FO. My Aunt was being a right whore and ruining my mums birthday a few years back so i picked up the trifle she made and dropped it on her head she has not been back since but the rest of my Mums birthday went well

 

[Jeros]

Well, drinking whisk(e)y is like having sex really; do it with a stranger, one you love, your dad, mum, stepsister or a donkey...

Sure, people might disagree which is the best and they might even be disgusted in the way you do it, but it's still sex.

HAHA

That is sig material