Keep defence for beginners

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old.Thanatlos

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Keep claims

If you bother to claim a keep, especially in our own realm please upgrade the doors!!!
Have had 2 keep defences (1 crau, 1 bolg) where doors were lvl 1!!
If you claim a keep, you get a bonus, some respect from the guild. Imo there are some responsibilities to realm defence associated with owning a keep:
- Notifying the realm when enemies are near
- Try and defend it yourself
- Keep the keep defendable (not lvl 1 keep because it costs so much bountypoints)

Door repair

If you repair doors for a keep, recommended wood to use is ironwood or heartwood.
If you want to upgrade a door to lvl 5, start by repairing the door fully at lvl 1, then upgrade to 2, repair to full health again and so further. Repairing at 1 lvl higher costs like twice as much as repairing 2 or 3 times at the previous level.
If you want to have doors at a suitable level to be repaired so you can keep the enemy at the 2nd gate the gate should be lvl 3 or 4, that way someone that brings around 200 ironwood can keep a door up for quite a bit of time, especially if more people who can repair bring wood. High level doors cost amazing amounts or costs of wood and no-one carries that.
If you want the keep to be defendable upgrade the outer door to lvl 4+. Any higher than 6 usually brings complaints and huge costs if you stop the enemy when they did some damage to it but didn't break it.

Wall defence

If you're on the walls you're a target. if you can't kill an enemy in 2 shots you shouldn't be there. A hero with a bow might get a kill or two but in exchange for that 5-10 people around you were targets affected by an aoe targeted on you, disease, str/con debuff, dot, dd.
So if you're going to be on the walls make sure you've got a better reason there than firing a shortbow. I know it's boring but it beats having like 2 fgs of res sick people on the wall with healers being oom all the time in the courtyard.

Courtyard

Try interrupting enemy mages with gtaoe and pbaoe, maybe even pbaoe dd if you're quick enough and try and stay a bit out of sight. That way pbaoe mages can clean up people at second gate or repairs can be made till reinforcements arrive.
Stand as far away from gatekeeper as possible since that's usually targeted, so left side is best (not sure about gatekeeper targeting coz i don't have aoe spells :)
If door is at around 10% and no repairs can keep up, you move to lord.

Lord

Again, the most important thing about lord sieges is don't be a target to enemy aoe.. if you are dotted then so are all the other people around you. Interruption follows by various aoe spells.
If you're a healer (especially druids who don't need los to heal with spread heals) try and stay way out of sight. make sure resists are up, tanks guard pbaoe to be a pseudo moc. This way the real moc can be saved for an all out charge of the enemy. Without interrupts from enemy mages (if you kept out of sight only gtaoe can interrupt and that's real hard to target) and some nicely placed mezzes from bards on the charging enemies can provide a nice steady flow of targets for the pbaoe around the corner.
Buffing guards and lord helps a bit too. And if you're at dun crauchon you can also build some siege weaponry :)

These are just some tips for the realm, do with em what you will, any additions would be great.
 
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Arnor

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LIES!!!! ITS ALL LIESS!!!!! DON LISTEN TO HIM!!!!!111


lvl1fortehwin!!1
 
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inuyasha

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Originally posted by Arnor2
LIES!!!! ITS ALL LIESS!!!!! DON LISTEN TO HIM!!!!!111


lvl1fortehwin!!1

by all means :great:

keep defence and keep taking is more boring then the 604th noob pr00n you see :p

Roaming4tehwin.

anyways, its either keep defence until zerged, roam until zerged, or zerg until zerged...i miss the old days where even 1 on 1 encounters was regular.
 
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VodkaFairy

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zerg vs zerg is cool

but my computer can't handle that

and numbers are hardly ever even :(
 
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inuyasha

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Originally posted by VodkaFairy
zerg vs zerg is cool

but my computer can't handle that

and numbers are hardly ever even :(

i could get a bot to do my work better then me if i knew a little more about programming (and was allowed to install it to the system) in a zerg, and bards i belive is the most tricky thing to play .P
 
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ab_fluid

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i suggest every1 reads this and takes note, was a LOT of noobish behaviour at bolg tonight, was gonna make a thread like this, but looks like thana beat me to it
 
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Danya

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BTW, usually people target the door itself rather than gatekeeper so stand as far as you can while still in repair range. :)
 
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tankster

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nice post ! ;)

cant agree more.. hibbies read !

this aint about 'keep defence is boring' or 'zerg is cool' its how to defend your realm. basics ! :)
 
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old.Wildfire

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great post, wish more people would learn these velly velly simple rules
 
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ilaya

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Sound advice indeed :) Will point HoF alliance to this when i log on again :) ..not that we are all beginners mind.. hehe :)

Ilaya Dasquirrelslayer (50 Lurichamp - GM Hearts of Fire - 1100+ AC and general nuisance.. )
Boowen - (45 mentalist - 1000+ tailoring)
Poppy - (Lowbie warden wiff 800+ Alch )
Elara - (34 enchanter who can make nice things nicer using gems)
 
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inuyasha

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Originally posted by tankster
nice post ! ;)

cant agree more.. hibbies read !

this aint about 'keep defence is boring' or 'zerg is cool' its how to defend your realm. basics ! :)

I know girly ^_^ Since i was at bolg today i might even confirm it was needed. =)

And zergs is not cool k thnx bye.
 
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Herbal Remedy

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simple

keep under attack by alb zerg

msg someone in celticfist /as if you havent got access yourself

dot and pbaoe albs for 20 mins softening them up


laugh as 8 chanter make it in through the gatekeeper

withdraw to lord

spam pbaoe

laugh at albs for getting farmed again



now that didnt need a small book did it?
 
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Gahldir

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Originally posted by Herbal Remedy
simple

keep under attack by alb zerg

msg someone in celticfist /as if you havent got access yourself

dot and pbaoe albs for 20 mins softening them up


laugh as 8 chanter make it in through the gatekeeper

withdraw to lord

spam pbaoe

laugh at albs for getting farmed again



now that didnt need a small book did it?

someone is bitter. pwned?
 
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oblivion_6

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one thing i would put in here is make sure that if your raiding a keep that there is already a grp of 8 guildies all ready to claim and upgrade asap

So you can move on to the next keep as fast as you can :)

Many times now ive went out with a raid and only 1 maybe 2 guilds are prepared for it

But heay great advice here m8 :)
 
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old.Reno

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Originally posted by Danyan
BTW, usually people target the door itself rather than gatekeeper so stand as far as you can while still in repair range. :)

Read the patchnotes.

Danita
 
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old.Tzeentch

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thana forget 1 thing
dont forget to msg kaor to come along and help

this guy is the king of keep defences.
 
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VodkaFairy

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Just a tip for NS on the walls that most probably already know, but for the ones who don't: You can PA through the wall at the climbpoint. So if you see a nasty assassin sneaking up on your keep just hit em through the wall and he's gone for a while :p
 
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Kobold

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Originally posted by VodkaFairy
Just a tip for NS on the walls that most probably already know, but for the ones who don't: You can PA through the wall at the climbpoint. So if you see a nasty assassin sneaking up on your keep just hit em through the wall and he's gone for a while :p
nasty :D
 
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Gahldir

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Originally posted by Danyan
Read the patchnotes about what? :p

that you can cast spells with gates as targets. or atleast that's what I think he means ;)
 
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Gray-CF

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iirc they nerfed repair range - you have to be very close now :(
 
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Danya

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Originally posted by Gahldir
that you can cast spells with gates as targets. or atleast that's what I think he means ;)
Didn't I just say that? :p

Originally posted by Gahldir
iirc they nerfed repair range - you have to be very close now :(
That doesn't negate my point...
 
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Noche

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Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
thana forget 1 thing
dont forget to msg kaor to come along and help

this guy is the king of keep defences.

I want volley too :p
 
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old.Laryssa

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Originally posted by Gray-CF
iirc they nerfed repair range - you have to be very close now :(

yeah no more mids closing outer doors on you while bashing inner :D
 
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blem

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nice post, i give it 2 firby thums up (for your infomation thats the best hib score you can get for a post)
 
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Arnor

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LIEESS!!! LIEEESSS I SAY!!! HES A MADMAN!!! A MADMAN!!!
 

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