Just watchewd the "fitna" movie

[echome]

BBC and CNN pro-palestinian? I would say they are more moderate (if i had to chose i would say they are more pro-Israeli, especially CNN).

I will continue to despise the Israel governement as long as they;

1) Refuse to accept the internationally recognised two state solution

2) brutally opress the Palestinian people both econmically and militarily resulting in the deaths of thousands.

I have more or less just been driven to despair because of all the killing and constantly fighting in that area. Got a few friends that have been in the area as "peace guards". And all they can tell when they return is how hopeless the situation seems to be.
Seriously I have no idea how it should all end...

Make love not war.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Make love not war.

So f*cking a German Hottie in a Tiger-tank, while the Tiger is firing at a civilian village is on...which side exactly?

 

[Zede]

Swedish media is probably the most pro-palestinian media aparatus in the western world, everything that the palestinians do is justified in a related larger article about what Israel has done to provoke them. I try to look with a critical view on what's written. If anything, I'm sick of all the crap that is being written here. Generally I think that the top news networks in Europe like CNN and BBC give a fair point of view on the conflict, especially since media loves the little guy, and loves to bash the big "bad guy".



Your breathtaking and groundbreaking link doesn't work.




I'm a 24 year old grad student, I study informatics and I have studied a year of social science and history. How old are you? I'm perfectly healthy, tank you very much.



There's a big diffrence between USING weapons and BUYING weapons. Considering Israel has been subjected to three wars by the the arab states, and non-stop terrorist actions, can you really blame them for wanting to defend themselves? Israel's weapons are expensive high tech weapons, designed for precision and minimal civilian deaths. The palestinian rockets are not (the cartoon at the bottom says it all).



The context of what you're writing is that the world media is against the palestinian people because of a jewish/right-wing christian conspiracy, to me that is a wild theory (not a very original one though). I bet you believe that sept 11 was a conspiracy too, and that the planes really were american cruise-missiles.

An interesting note is that UN:s involvement in the conflict, and their so-called neutrality has just gotten itself a blow since they recently apointed Richard Falk (american professor in law) as their special investigator regarding the human rights situation in the occupied areas in Palestine. He has compared Israel to Nazi-Germany and has compared what is happening right now to the holocaust, basically he is as biased as they come and can in no way conduct objective research on the issue. But the UN wants to make noice, and the best way to do that is not to be objective.

Richard A. Falk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have you bothered to do ANY research what-so-ever regarding why the evil Palestinians are fighting ?

And just Google "Joe Sacco" kido, your comments of razor sharp wit hurtzes they do.

If thats your best argument, im disapointed. Little Young Dumb and Full of Cum student types like you should know better. Smoke some weed, get laid, hang out with some different people - at your age... thanks to the media I hated muslims and was totally on Israels "side". it is possible to change.

oh and " Israel's weapons are expensive high tech weapons, designed for precision and minimal civilian deaths " just pure quality. you stupid twat, really your as dumb-ass americanised as they come. fuckin lol.

 

[Marc]

Zede, why are you so offensive and insulting. Platin puts his points across really well, and the best you can come up with is "you stupid twat?"

I think you need to chill out a bit.

 

[tierk]

Zede, why are you so offensive and insulting. Platin puts his points across really well, and the best you can come up with is "you stupid twat?"....

NOpe i would say that once again its a case of people that hold diameterically opposite views on a topic and neither will accept what the other says to be in anyway shape of form to be correct.

Platin is on one end and Zede is on the other. I happen to think that Zede is spot on (yes it happens on occasion that i agree with what he says )with regards to the issue of Palestine and the way that the media portrays the entire issue and bar the occasional tip in the balance, in favour of Palestinians it is very very pro-Israeli.

I think that over a number of threads i have made it very clear what i think of the situation on Palestine, so i wont go into a mega post slating either side, however, what i firmly believe is that.

1. If the issue of Palestine is resolved then you will also remove the single largest cause of militancy in the Muslim world today.

2. Keeping armies at home where they belong protecting there respective people /country instead of protecting interests /resources in other (read Middle East) peoples countries, would also go a long way to stopping militancy.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Would apreacite it if you'd give some links about the conflict. I only know what they tell in the news so according to you my view is distorted. Makes the discussion better if theres some facts to work with :touch:

 

[Calaen]

IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY,

Israel took some land, the palestinians cannot get over the fact that they got pooned so they rage war against a country with far superior technology.

Instead of just getting over it they persist in bringing up the whole BUT IT USED TO BE OURS argument. Insert that into every meal for 20 years and there children are just as brainwashed as their fundamentalist parents.

I do not think that the whole of the country is a fundamentalist, as usual it is the minority looking for an excuse to kill people. Unfortunately for you Israel is friends with the cool kids and has better guns.

I dont wanna hear and of that David and Goliath shit either, you dont throw stones at someone who has a rocket launcher, unless you wanna die.

 

[Chronictank]

I dont wanna hear and of that David and Goliath shit either, you dont throw stones at someone who has a rocket launcher, unless you wanna die.

Better example would be a David pissed off Goliath so Goliath stamped all over his village,
or maybe a person pissed off a dictator and he decided to kill off all their people.. o wait

 

[Zede]

Zede, why are you so offensive and insulting. Platin puts his points across really well, and the best you can come up with is "you stupid twat?"

I think you need to chill out a bit.

because I find pro-israei people very offensive.

platin is a REALLY stupid twat. when he types something worthy of a cronic type response, i will reply accordingly.

 

[Chronictank]

Late Edit, had to do some work

I doubt the insurgent factions want the war to end, they know how predictably stupid Israel leadership is when they are provoked so will continue to provoke them,
At the end of the day if you offer a starving man food in exchange for a chance to have a pop at the person(s) starving him, he is more than likely going to take it.
Desperate people = more recruits for them
The more Israel bullies and terrorises palestine, the more ammo it gives such groups as propoganda

The other side of the fence is Israel, i doubt they want an end to the conflict, they have the largest standing army in the world, if there is no war what will all the currently militry people do? Their one of the biggest importers of arms in the world,

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/acda/wmeat95/95armimp.htm
why would their supplier want that to stop?
Foreign Policy In Focus | Global Affairs Commentary | U.S. Arms Transfers and Security Assistance to Israel
They know they cant lose because as soon as the tide turns they will be bailed out, if their economy begins to fail they will be given hand outs like they are currently
A Conservative Total for U.S. Aid to Israel: $91 Billion—and Counting
I found it hilarious that you can actually send charity donations to 'the state of Israel'
Donations and Voluneers for Israel

Palestinians should just accept defeat which is what they are doomed for against a country like Israel
And let things play out on the world stage, but i doubt dissident groups like Hamas will ever let that happen

All that and we havent even got onto the way non-jewish people are treated in the country, god forbid you are a Arab

 

[old.Tohtori]

Would apreacite it if you'd give some links about the conflict. I only know what they tell in the news so according to you my view is distorted. Makes the discussion better if theres some facts to work with :touch:

*snip(own thread*snip*
Hell...this needs it's own thread...

 

[Zede]

IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY,

Israel took some land, the palestinians cannot get over the fact that they got pooned so they rage war against a country with far superior technology.

Instead of just getting over it they persist in bringing up the whole BUT IT USED TO BE OURS argument. Insert that into every meal for 20 years and there children are just as brainwashed as their fundamentalist parents.

I do not think that the whole of the country is a fundamentalist, as usual it is the minority looking for an excuse to kill people. Unfortunately for you Israel is friends with the cool kids and has better guns.

I dont wanna hear and of that David and Goliath shit either, you dont throw stones at someone who has a rocket launcher, unless you wanna die.

Funneh thing is....Israel was NEVER a Jewish state prior to Lord Balfour giving it to "them" in 1917. The old argument of " we are taking back our homeland" is fundamentally flawed.
In a nutshell - When the then occupants of the area were taken off to Eqypt into slavery - they were idol worshippers. During the Egyptian holiday, the mythical moses revealed this new religion, and basically on the way back they became Jewish. What did they do when they got back ? Killed everyone. Nothing changes. For 1500 years the land was Arab...thats a pretty good reason to think its theres tbh....

Israel indoctrinates every member of its society just like certain Muslims, same same.

 

[Zede]

Late Edit, had to do some work

I doubt the insurgent factions want the war to end, they know how predictably stupid Israel leadership is when they are provoked so will continue to provoke them,
At the end of the day if you offer a starving man food in exchange for a chance to have a pop at the person(s) starving him, he is more than likely going to take it.
Desperate people = more recruits for them
The more Israel bullies and terrorises palestine, the more ammo it gives such groups as propoganda

The other side of the fence is Israel, i doubt they want an end to the conflict, they have the largest standing army in the world, if there is no war what will all the currently militry people do? Their one of the biggest importers of arms in the world,

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/acda/wmeat95/95armimp.htm
why would their supplier want that to stop?
Foreign Policy In Focus | Global Affairs Commentary | U.S. Arms Transfers and Security Assistance to Israel
They know they cant lose because as soon as the tide turns they will be bailed out, if their economy begins to fail they will be given hand outs like they are currently
A Conservative Total for U.S. Aid to Israel: $91 Billion—and Counting
I found it hilarious that you can actually send charity donations to 'the state of Israel'
Donations and Voluneers for Israel

Palestinians should just accept defeat which is what they are doomed for against a country like Israel
And let things play out on the world stage, but i doubt dissident groups like Hamas will ever let that happen

All that and we havent even got onto the way non-jewish people are treated in the country, god forbid you are a Arab

If say for example the Arabs decided to pump the same money to the Palestinians as the USA gives to Israel.....WW3 !

 

[Olgaline]

Not to ruin anything to you, Olgaline, but you talk about you are proud to be living in a country where Religion and state has long been seperated, yet, we both live in Denmark...

A country where...
Everybody is member of the national protestant church by birth and has to sign themselves out from the church, if they do not wish to be paying contributions to the church over taxes...

altho I agree with most of what you wrote this last bit isnt exactly correct
you are not born into the danish protestant church. you are "døbt" "baptized into it" thats a general misconseption,

 

[Platin]

blabla

If you are pro-palestinian - I feel sorry for the palestinians.

Ignored.

 

[Platin]

BBC and CNN pro-palestinian? I would say they are more moderate (if i had to chose i would say they are more pro-Israeli, especially CNN)..

I didn't know CNN and BBC was "swedish media"...Thank you for clearing that out.

I will continue to despise the Israel governement as long as they;

1) Refuse to accept the internationally recognised two state solution

2) brutally opress the Palestinian people both econmically and militarily resulting in the deaths of thousands.

I haven't gotten into the political process, but from what I understand Israel isn't refusing a two state solution, only the terms of it. Who gains from constant conflict? I know the politicians don't, so who does? Israeli and palestinian extremists perhaps, problem is that both of these groups are strong politically on both sides.

It's so easy to say "violence doesn't solve anything", but the israelis are considering their actions as self-defense, just as they always have. The only way to solve it, is victory or peacetalks. But how can you have a dialogue with an organization that doesn't even recognize your existence (Hamas, not PLO) ?

 

[Raven]

Had to be one fuckwit on here with fox news tendancies.( Lamp not included, hes king of the fuckwit hill without even trying). Do tell, where do you get your idea the newsflow is "pretty balanced" ? the world according to Platin ? your hilarious, and dumb as they come, grats on being another sheeple.

No conspiracy theories here - just 100% fact on whats happening in Palestine. Do yourself a favour , go to your local library & get out : Palestine (Sacco comic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

I suspect your in your early 20s, rather impressionable, one of those " its on the news so it must be true" synapse deficient type individuals. Eat more greens, fruit & get some exercice, it might improve your capacity to think.

heres one for you fuckwit - 5000 rockets you say - how many rockets do you think $3,000,000,000 a year buys Israel ? ( thats what the usa GIVES Israel each year) Please reply, attempt some wit - gimmeh your right wing propaganda, ive got a mountain of material here to contradict you.

Well he pretty much called me a goose stepping nazi sympathiser in another one of these types of thread for daring to critisise Israel's foreign policy.

Personally I think they have both done wrong in the past (and recently) the only difference is one of them is supported by America.

 

[Raven]

An interesting note is that UN:s involvement in the conflict, and their so-called neutrality has just gotten itself a blow since they recently apointed Richard Falk (american professor in law) as their special investigator regarding the human rights situation in the occupied areas in Palestine. He has compared Israel to Nazi-Germany and has compared what is happening right now to the holocaust, basically he is as biased as they come and can in no way conduct objective research on the issue. But the UN wants to make noice, and the best way to do that is not to be objective.

Richard A. Falk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So there is nothing similar about pulling Palestinian families out of their homes and then either bulldozing them or moving Jewish families in and what the Nazi's did when they did the same to the Jews?

Israel are far from innocent in the whole mess and I have little sympathy for them, though I am not particularly in agreement with the Palestinian's methods it is hardly surprising they have a problem with Israel is it.

 

[Platin]

So there is nothing similar about pulling Palestinian families out of their homes and then either bulldozing them or moving Jewish families in and what the Nazi's did when they did the same to the Jews?

Israel are far from innocent in the whole mess and I have little sympathy for them, though I am not particularly in agreement with the Palestinian's methods it is hardly surprising they have a problem with Israel is it.

The point wasn't if they were "similar" or not according to you, him, George Bush, Jesus Christ or God himself. Read it again, and then ask yourself if you think the UN is fullfilling it's role. You should also ask yourself why you want the UN to be a propaganda tool on some matters, while not on others and how that will work out in the end.

 

[Platin]

Well he pretty much called me a goose stepping nazi sympathiser in another one of these types of thread for daring to critisise Israel's foreign policy.

Personally I think they have both done wrong in the past (and recently) the only difference is one of them is supported by America.

No, I did not call you a nazi-sympathiser, stop lying and lose the victim-mentality.

 

[Zede]

No, I did not call you a nazi-sympathiser, stop lying and lose the victim-mentality.

As you pointed out to Raven, READ IT AGAIN.

that right wing media really has got you twitching aint it ?