July 1st, Smoke Free England & smoking lounges

[megadave]

The reason for the smoking ban in public places wasn't to prevent people damaging their health, it was to prevent people from damaging other people's health through second hand smoke, there's a difference. While i'm completely against the nanny state, it's not an all out ban, it's just stopping smoking in pubs etc.

Saying that now banning people eating food and drinking alcohol will inevitably follow seems a bit far fetched. Junk food won't he completely banned, possibly it may be restricted in that the contents will have to be decent, however this is hardly a bad thing. Secondly saying they're going to ban drinking next, well that's not going to happen in our life times for sure. It's been tried and it's failed. Too much public uproar and huge rises in crime rates came from it.

 

[georgie]

The amount of money spent by the NHS on smoking-related illnesses is truly staggering, although I'm not sure if it's more or less than the money they make in taxes to be fair.

As an FYI I think the numbers are something like:

Amount NHS spends on smoking related illnesses: £2 Billion
Amount raised in taxes on tobacco: £9.5 Billion

 

[Rookiescot]

I've said it before and I'll keep on saying it......

If there is a market for non smoking pubs they will exist. Non smokers can go to these and sit there in blissfull harmoney. Knowing that they are not being subjected to passive smoking fumes.

If there is a market for smoking pubs they will exist. Smokers can go to these and sit there in blissfull harmony having a pint and a smoke and knowing they a not going to be subjected to some self righteous, greetin faced, wet blanket liberal bastard having a pup cos he smells of fags.

Segregation is the key ...... give both parties the CHOICE !

 

[Nate]

It is a bit tricky this one, but if they started letting off certain establishments because they had a liscence to be a smoking lounge a lot of pubs/bars would go for it, hence making the smoking ban pointless.

I agree that it is quite stupid to go in to a smoking lounge and not be able to smoke, it does totally ruin the point of going there.

But still you can't compare smoking to drinking. One raises the chance of getting a terminal disease to anyone in an area close by, the other does the same but only to the user.

Jollz told me the other day that a pub in Southampton has become an Embassy and dodged the recent smoking ban. How thats even possible I don't know, not sure if it's even been accepted yet but heres the link.

BBC NEWS | England | Hampshire | Pub 'embassy' dodges smoking ban

 

[old.Tohtori]

But still you can't compare smoking to drinking. One raises the chance of getting a terminal disease to anyone in an area close by, the other does the same but only to the user.

You can't in some cases, but in others you can.

It's possible that the drinking of others will cause you harm.

Usually in a standard bar(150 people in it lets say) there is atleast, atleast, 3 people who will drink so much that they will become violent, try to start a fight and do some sort of injury to others.

Hell, go as far as say that the other bloke in the bar runs you over while DUI?

Every drink the other one has, raises the chance of you getting violated in some form by him.

IT's not exactly same, but there are similarities in the two enough to make some sort of a comparison.

 

[Bugz]

Usually in a standard bar(150 people in it lets say) there is atleast, atleast, 3 people who will drink so much that they will become violent, try to start a fight and do some sort of injury to others.

Stats/source?

Or is that just a random made up 'on the spot' thing?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Stats/source?

Or is that just a random made up 'on the spot' thing?

Just general, and really no need to be proven, knowledge. Much like the cigarette stats.

Didn't think we were asking for scientific and tested proof on this thread.

 

[Azurus]

And a couple of years later, we're at the equilibrium stage and you all know how well that goes.

It's abit of a stretch to say ban on smoking in public places could be a step on the way to equilibrium stage, the introduction of id cards on the other hand.....

 

[Overdriven]

It's abit of a stretch to say ban on smoking in public places could be a step on the way to equilibrium stage, the introduction of id cards on the other hand.....

I'm all for spending £100 on a I.D. card. Will make my life a fuckload easier in regards to travle/buying stuff.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It's abit of a stretch to say ban on smoking in public places could be a step on the way to equilibrium stage, the introduction of id cards on the other hand.....

It's a REALLY small step, but it's still, with all the other things going around(id cards especially), a step towards more control, more "healthy" stuff and so on.

Just a matter of time when something like meat is banned Or alcohol. Had that one before allready, so no big leap.

 

[megadave]

You can't in some cases, but in others you can.

It's possible that the drinking of others will cause you harm.

Usually in a standard bar(150 people in it lets say) there is atleast, atleast, 3 people who will drink so much that they will become violent, try to start a fight and do some sort of injury to others.

Hell, go as far as say that the other bloke in the bar runs you over while DUI?

Every drink the other one has, raises the chance of you getting violated in some form by him.

IT's not exactly same, but there are similarities in the two enough to make some sort of a comparison.

Becoming drunk and violent is against the law, just like smoking in pubs, so therefore it is irrelevent.

 

[Calaen]

lol Toh, you cant compare drinking to smoking. Especially when using your example. Alcohol wont get banned that would spark a civil uprising. Food stuff being banned is also very far fetched.

 

[old.Tohtori]

lol Toh, you cant compare drinking to smoking. Especially when using your example. Alcohol wont get banned that would spark a civil uprising. Food stuff being banned is also very far fetched.

Well alcohol was a bit of banned before, so it's no new thing. People just work around with hidden taverns and such.

Like i said, in some ways the nuisance from alcohol can be related to the nuisance of smoke(includes violent behaviour etc). Sometimes in more violent ways too.

But that probably would be countered, once more, with the "But it hurts me all the time everytime always." So it's a useless topic really.

What i would like to know is what i asked before, if you were so concerned about your health(as people suddenly became after they heard that it MIGHT be banned), why did you go to bars at all when there's working non-smoking areas in other bars, even non-smoking bars/restaurants. (you meaning anyone)

 

[Levin]

Becoming drunk and violent is against the law, just like smoking in pubs, so therefore it is irrelevent.

Spot on.

 

[Overdriven]

Spot on.

Love how suddently how everyone has become very PC with this... The ban started YESTERDAY. (Not aiming anything at you, Levin) we've all still got to get use to it.

Sheesh, people are acting like it's been around for a year already xD... grrr.. I need a fag now. Lame. Am out... WTB: Mayfair superkings.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I just wanted to re-iterate(?) that i'm not agianst the smoking law.

This was never about it.

Just that, with all the differences in UK/Finnish way of explaining/discussing things and posting being probably the least effective way of communicating, with the added "people take things way too offensive at times", it's really hard to explain something without being hanged almost on the spot.

my points, just to make clear and simple:

Smoking law, doens't bother me.
Have to be careful that this doesn't get out of hand all of a sudden.
Banning smoking from places that are meant for smoking, is bad.

All other points, are just discussions with no ill intent and if anyone took 'em as such, i might apologise

 

[Nate]

What i would like to know is what i asked before, if you were so concerned about your health(as people suddenly became after they heard that it MIGHT be banned), why did you go to bars at all when there's working non-smoking areas in other bars, even non-smoking bars/restaurants. (you meaning anyone)

You can answer that question with another question, why when I go out to socialize(drink or eat) in a bar/restaurant should I be worried about getting a terminal disease? I shouldn't, it shouldn't be forced on me that I as a non-smoker have to go somewhere else if I don't want to chance getting cancer.

If I like the food in a certain restaurant I would want to go there, the restaurant isn't in business for smoking..it is for eating..much the same as a bar isn't but is for drinking. Why should I have to go to a shit restaurant where I don't like the food because the one with the good food has smoking.

To be honest though I would go to a good food restaurant if it had a non-smoking area, I really am not that bothered about it. It's just nice to discuss things!

 

[old.Tohtori]

I really am not that bothered about it. It's just nice to discuss things!

Exactly

I was more asking though, about did people actually think about it before the ban? As in, did it bother people in the health manner, or was it more towards the annoyance bit.

 

[CorNokZ]

People are so narrowminded..

"Buhu I work at a pub and I don't wanna smell like an ashtray when I get home! QQ!"

WELL DONE PICKING THE RIGHT CAREER DON'T YOU THINK?!



See a smoker on the street? Go around him/her!

Want to go to a pub but want to avoid the 'nasty' smoke inside? Sit outside!

The pub doesn't have an outdoor area? Invite your friends over for a cold Stella from your fridge!



Ofc there should be bans somewhere such as certain workareas, but banning it all together is just nuts imo..

 

[Levin]

Love how suddently how everyone has become very PC with this... The ban started YESTERDAY. (Not aiming anything at you, Levin) we've all still got to get use to it.

Sheesh, people are acting like it's been around for a year already xD... grrr.. I need a fag now. Lame. Am out... WTB: Mayfair superkings.

Where I live, it has been around for a year or two now, so people here are very used to it.

 

[Calaen]

Its not about a career is it, some people use it to get through university. Nice to see your open minded with regards to people who cant be picky where they work.

People are so narrowminded..

"Buhu I work at a pub and I don't wanna smell like an ashtray when I get home! Yay now I dont have to"

I REALLY GOT LUCKY WITH THIS NEW SMOKING LAW AND MY JOB!!!!




Want to go to a pub but want to avoid the 'nasty' smoke inside? Now you can!!!!

The pub doesn't have an outdoor area? Dont worry about it you can sit in side while the smokers freeze there arses off!!!!

 

[dub]

one has to wonder why this crawing for non smoking establishments didnt result in there being plenty of them before any legislation

 

[Overdriven]

one has to wonder why this crawing for non smoking establishments didnt result in there being plenty of them before any legislation

Because people haven't got the guts to be anti-PC or give their real opinion on the matter... Like everything else these days

 

[Gamah]

So much ignorance in this thread I don't know where to begin..

Thank god for the ban.

 

[Gotrag]

I love watching people at work suffer. 3 people are trying to quit because of it

I don't smoke but couldn't care less, it still seems OTT, telling people where they can smoke and where they cant. If they want to stop people smoking then ban the cigaretts themselves.

Is funny, the way they put it makes it sound like you can smoke alot more places then you actually can. "You can smoke anywhere, aslong as it dosn't intfear with someone else" Also you can't smoke in public even if the only person in a 100 meter radius happens to be a smoker, it's pathetic BUT funny.

 

[Bugz]

People are so narrowminded..

"Buhu I work at a pub and I don't wanna smell like an ashtray when I get home! QQ!"

WELL DONE PICKING THE RIGHT CAREER DON'T YOU THINK?!



See a smoker on the street? Go around him/her!

Want to go to a pub but want to avoid the 'nasty' smoke inside? Sit outside!

The pub doesn't have an outdoor area? Invite your friends over for a cold Stella from your fridge!



Ofc there should be bans somewhere such as certain workareas, but banning it all together is just nuts imo..

Oh the sweet, sweet irony.

 

[Overdriven]

So much ignorance in this thread I don't know where to begin..

Thank god for the ban.

What you get done for this time? I've already recieved my second warning =<

 

[Gamah]

What you get done for this time? I've already recieved my second warning =<

Saying

"Have you come here to be a prick again" to one of Dorimors alts...

Went to deebs for unfair moderation by Mystic (who has noting to do with off-topic) only for him to wash his hands of it.

Fucking stupid and I probably wont be posting here much more.

Bets bit was it was for "insulting a forum member" a forum member whos been chain banned 100 times.

 

[Lenore]

i think this ban is good but really has some downsides. only a couple of my friends and family smoke and all of them used to disappear when they wanted to smoke, which was great. i hated the people who used to sit there and smoke with us, which resulted in me at 3am washing my hair and clothes straight away because of constatly coughing and gagging. i never used to mind smoking/non smoking sections, except for when you have to walk through the smoke to get to the non smoking bit, never really understood that. it is mainly about the staff for why people cant smoke in buildings now but if people were thoughtful and smoked outside in the first place then it wouldnt of mattered.

one of the funny things with people smoking is watching people at work (i work at a hospital) on oxygen outside smoking. people like that dont deserve health treatment. one thing i hate about this ban is that i now have to walk past everyone smoking outside to get into a building.

the smoking ban is just common sense though, you couldnt smoke in schools, hospitals, trains, buses before now so all they have done is extended where you can and cant smoke. no one moans that they cant smoke in a hospital because they know its just retarded.

a few things ive heard about all the smoking sections is hillarious. like builders who work outside have to have a special 'pen' to smoke in now, what is the point of that?! this ban has gone a bit out of control but its way way over due. i cant wait for more rants to start in october when under 18s cant buy cigerettes anymore. im waiting for them to ban drivers smoking next. if you cant hold a mobile driving then why the hell should people be allowed to try and smoke and drive.

 

[Marc]

As a smoker I have no problem with the smoking ban at all. As a few of my mates and my gf are non smokers, I always go outside for a cig anyway, so nothing new for me