Its not my fault im fat

[Wazzerphuk]

The problem was that the hypothalmis (The control centre of the brain) wasn't telling them that they were full. So basicly 15 minutes after a meal they would feel like they haven't eaten in days.

Surely though this feeling isn't in the stomach, and is a mental feeling of hunger? Are stomach hunger pains controlled by the hypothalmis too? If not, surely it would just require some willpower, like quitting smoking: that is if they're aware of their illness?

 

[Catsby]

Catsby finds a little research answers many questions:

http://www.thearc.org/faqs/pwsynd.html

Why do people who have PWS eat so much?

People with PWS have a flaw in the part of their brain (the hypothalamus) that determines hunger and satiety (fullness). These people never feel full enough, so they have a continuous urge to eat. To compound this problem, people with PWS need considerably fewer calories than normal to maintain an appropriate weight. The obesity that results is the major cause of illness and death in this disorder. As in the general population, obesity in PWS can cause high blood pressure, respiratory difficulties, diabetes and other problems.


Can anything be done to control the eating?

Unfortunately, no appetite suppressant has worked consistently for people with PWS. Most must be on an extremely low-calorie diet all their lives and must have their environment designed so that they have very limited access to food. For example, many families have to lock the kitchen or the cabinets and refrigerator.

About 1 in 14,000 people in the U.S. are estimated to have PWS, and the birth rate may be even higher. Prader-Willi syndrome is one of the 10 most common conditions seen in genetics clinics and is the most common genetic cause of obesity that has been identified.

 

[old.user4556]

where as you should see a therapist about that little fantasy of people "pissing in my mouth" and also f*ck the hell off. btw if you tell me where u live i will come down there and floor u you fat prick.

Woah, keyboard warrior. I pity your loneliness.

 

[tris-]

Surely though this feeling isn't in the stomach, and is a mental feeling of hunger? Are stomach hunger pains controlled by the hypothalmis too? If not, surely it would just require some willpower, like quitting smoking: that is if they're aware of their illness?

according to the docu, the hypothalmis also caused the stomach pains.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Woah.

 

[Gray]

Theres forever several factors in it, i missed the programme so unsure what actually happened...

Anyway, for as long as i remember, ive been overweight, not hugely overweight i feel anyway, it was more a childhood thing, i was looking through pictures of when i was under 8 years old and i was looking "normal". That was the same time that the bullying in primary school did start, i cant obviously remeber what exactly happened but of course something did as i was starting to get mucho bigger.

Far as i was aware, it was called comfort eating, eating, even though you're not hungry helped relief the pain in a way, so effctively it was all in the head were you had to be comforted.

Im not a type of person to talk about my own problems, as i hate explaining things or talking to people about certain subjects (ie this matter) because i know there are some wankers in this world, who are built like rakes and say "You're own fault". Try telling that to an 8 year old.

Through high school it didnt go too far as i did learn to defend myself against the bullies, but i felt by that time it was all too late for me, but i did proactively play sports every day, mainly football throughout, was always told i was an excellent rugby player, but i didnt like the sport, maybe one day i'll try it out again.

But in school i didnt seem to lose too much weight, as i forever felt somewhat pressured, i tried diets, but im not a "diet" person so that fell flat on its face, then when i was 18, i met a friend, whom i felt "great" with, i spoke to her and we just forever talked, it was perfect, i could freely explain my problems and it felt "alright".

She did change my perspective on life it was good, she gave me what i was missing for many years - a Flame, or willpower, and that willpower came in great, i was at the gym pretty much every day, i couldnt stay away, first time in years i felt excellent, and started to slowly (by my own standards set for years) look good, and within 7 months i lost 6st, then i got a job, and that fucked it right up.

I then started to work part time so i could go gym, still eager to go, only, where i worked completely fucked me over on several occasions, i stayed behind after my shift (paid of course) to help out, because im not a person who can say no easily. Buuut anyway, the flame burnt well and truely out, so come again to the "comfort eating" part.

Started a new job, but really havent gone gym in that time, sadly, im going to have to get this willpower from somewhere as its not working out at the moment, so i can wake up early and go gym intime for work in the afternoons. I know it can be done, i just have to beat the wall infront of me.

But when twats like some people who have spoken in here come along, to knock you down a peg, instead of blabbering "Its their own fault", etc, is all bullshit.

Ive considered (When i win the lottery of course... or rob a bank), that new treatment which cuts down your stomach, it sounds great, someone in the local Liverpool paper tried it out and the change in him is fantastic, altho that said, hes about 50, so id rather go the hard way around

 

[Catsby]

Catsby does agree that threads like this do tend to out the ones with closed minds. However, Catsby believes that this is what the internet is for, so that the rest of the population may learn from the ignorant.

 

[Mofo8]

surely they could just recreate the chemical that tells them they are full and administer it in another way? I didn't watch the program but it sounds rather interesting, and quite sad all at the same time. I read about a little kid who had it and his mum has to stop him eating or he would just eat until he died.

Eric Cartman?

 

[TdC]

Beeeeeeeeefcaaaaaaaaaaaake!!!

 

[Pfy]

I've never really had sympathy for 'fat' people (Sympathy is the wrong word, perhaps 'had the ability to empathise' instead, anyhow) and always thought that they should just stop fucking eating.

This program enlightened me really, made me realise how ignorant I am and can be towards certain subjects. I know lots of fat people (Work mate was 30stone! but he's on a diet and has lost 2 or 3) and I can't say I find it the 'social taboo' that people like Lawnmower obviously do. I did however think that it was all just about people stuffing their faces (and I'm sure in some cases it is).

Not really a point to my post other than pointing out that the program was good and should hopefully change peoples views on 'fat' people that need help, not mockery.

Oh, that said, theres lots of 'fat' people that are comfy with themselves, that's the important part isn't it? Better than I managed a few years back, and I've never been overweight.

 

[Ch3tan]

I live in Dundee. PM me as to my exact address and I will happy to recieve this flooring you mention.

I love you leggy.

 

[tris-]

yeh most of the time its just greedy people (who dont have any syndromes) who keep eating when they know they are full and dont do any activities. these are the people i cba with. but there is also people who have a slow metabolism anyway. i never ate more than anyone else yet i became overweight, even when exercising the same amount as everyone else. the only way ive read that speeds it up is eat more meals but with less food in each one, but dont eat shit

 

[leggy]

yeh most of the time its just greedy people (who dont have any syndromes) who keep eating when they know they are full and dont do any activities. these are the people i cba with.

And another closed mind.

It is not always greed. To pigeon-hole every fat person as greedy is like trying to convince us every black person is a criminal. This isn't the 1920s and sometimes I like to think that people have moved on some what. Obviously when I read some of the posts on this forum I realise that "survival of the (mentally) fittest" isn't doing it's job as well as i'd like sometimes.

There are probably quite a few contributing factors that account for all obesity. This PWS syndrome isn't as widespread as many overweight people would like to believe. The majority do eat too much. The reason however is the gross misreporting of their calorie intake. To themselves and to their dieticians. Continuing research in this area has shown, that subconciously, many obsese people ignore what they are eating. This isn't black and white lying. They genuinely dont remember the quantity they have eaten.

Obviously, if they tried hard enough, they could list everything. But in a normal day they just don't realise. I can safely say this is what can be attributed to my personal weight gain after I left school. I have since lost all that weight (6st) but I doubt I would have if I didnt take a step back and realise how much I was eating and subsequently ignoring on a daily basis.

Anyway, rant over. I just hate it when people pigeon hole others without a second thought.

 

[tris-]

i meant specificly the people who have no conditions or other medical things that would cause them to over eat, yet they do it anyway. obviously if you have a conidition its not your fault, but some people are purely greedy and it is specifically those people i cant be arsed with when they complain. to make it more clear - the people who buy a large big mac meal, eat it then get another, go home and eat 20 sandwhiches.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Only the coolest people quote themselves in their sigs.

You make it sound like a bad thing...


But on-topic. There are conditions to people that they HAVE to do something. Like this guy i met in a hospital. He had to smoke because his body had so much smokey stuff in him that, if he quit, he'd get all kinds of problems.

I don't blame so called fat people of being lazy or anything. Hell, i'm thin and small, eat more then the guys double my size, don't exersizzle and never gain any weight.

It's all in the person. Sure, some people could loose the weight if they wnted to, but to some it's a condition same as being short.

 

[leggy]

i meant specificly the people who have no conditions or other medical things that would cause them to over eat, yet they do it anyway. obviously if you have a conidition its not your fault, but some people are purely greedy and it is specifically those people i cant be arsed with when they complain. to make it more clear - the people who buy a large big mac meal, eat it then get another, go home and eat 20 sandwhiches.

I never said they had a syndrome or a medical condition. They don't. Your so called greed can probably be attributed to what I just posted.

I really doubt many of your 20 sandwich eaters actually exist. I'm not saying they don't but I bet greed is only a very small factor when it comes to obesity.

 

[tris-]

Continuing research in this area has shown, that subconciously, many obsese people ignore what they are eating. This isn't black and white lying. They genuinely dont remember the quantity they have eaten.

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surely this is a condition of sorts? or am i mis-understanding (wouldnt suprise me ). there is purely greedy people, i know loads of them. they know exactly what they just ate, they know they are full, they know the food is bad for them but they carry on eating it anyway. i class that as being greedy.

 

[Catsby]

surely this is a condition of sorts? or am i mis-understanding (wouldnt suprise me ). there is purely greedy people, i know loads of them. they know exactly what they just ate, they know they are full, they know the food is bad for them but they carry on eating it anyway. i class that as being greedy.

Catsby would like to point out that to some people food is addictive. Yet, he knows, it is not to others.

Catsby believes that giving up on substances that one is addicted to is rather hard, as the smokers/druggies/wankers in this forum will attest to.

 

[Munkey]

I know chocolate is addictive, which is why i try to stay away from it as much as possible.

 

[throdgrain]

lmfao

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Catsby would like to point out that to some people food is addictive. Yet, he knows, it is not to others.

Catsby believes that giving up on substances that one is addicted to is rather hard, as the smokers/druggies/wankers in this forum will attest to.

Giving something up is easy if you really want to.

 

[Jupitus]

just because i post on camlann boards doesnt make me stupid, tbh you shouldnt be a mod you just swear at people and ban them occasionally claiming you actively mod the place when in reality its a post a month saying less spam

these are my opinions and may or may not be false

Please don't forget that we also put up with PMs such as:

FOAD kthx..

/hug xoxoxoxoxoxo

I stand by my original statement about you being intellectually challenged.

 

[old.Tohtori]

*hugs Jupitus*

Wub j0000!!




Seemed to need that one

 

[Damini]

Giving something up is easy if you really want to.

Different people, different abilities. For example, I have a very high pain threshold, and a very low sickness threshold. Broken leg, not much complaining. Flu and I'll moan like a bitch. Doesn't mean my broken leg hurts less, or that my flu is worse, than anyone elses. Just means I have different ways of dealing with it, and perhaps my body reacts differently to it as well. I expect the same is true of tackling addictions.

Also, giving up food is not so easy when you have to eat to survive. That's like telling an alcoholic to give up drinking, but you MUST have three square pints a day. I should imagine that makes life a lot more difficult.

 

[Catsby]

Giving something up is easy if you really want to.

It now is so transparant to Catsby that the following people are entirely to blame for their problems and deserve nothing other than his wrath:
Alcoholics,
Drug addicts,
Fat people,
Smokers,
Drug addicts,
Homosexuals,
Non-arians.

Catsby will in future only snub such people for being who they are, as they would easily be something else. Catsby agrees wholeheartedly that such people need to be scorned, not helped.
Catsby would also suggest that as they could so easily change, their active choice not to indicates that they are sub human, and should be eliminated from the gene pool.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Catsby forgot the non-Catsby people.

 

[Mofo8]

I love the myth about fast and slow metabolisms. "You've always been thin and you eat a lot of junk food!", or "I'm fat because I have a slow metabolism!"

Absolute bollocks! People's metabolic rates vary from person to person, depending on age, sex, and other factors, but they all remain in a fairly narrow range. If someone's metabolic rate is far enough outside that range to cause obesity or other problems then they have some form of metabolic disease involving their thyroid gland or something.

Losing weight simply involves eating less and doing more. Anything more complicated than that is just refinement (such as eating healthier foods or doing elaborate excercise routines).

I do very little excercise, but do a reasonable amount of walking and don't eat huge portions of food. I'm also a very, very slow eater. I give my body plenty of time to send "stomach full" signals. Example: At work it often takes me 25 minutes to eat a Bombay Bad Boy Pot Noodle; a work colleague (with a bit of a weight problem) takes literally 3 minutes.... then has another one... then has a dessert, etc.

I read somewhere that humans are supposed to be in a state of hunger most of the time... obese children in the USA at one of them fat camps were complaining to the camp doctor about pains in their stomachs... they had never.... NEVER felt the sensation of hunger in their entire lives.

 

[Ekydus]

Different people, different abilities. For example, I have a very high pain threshold, and a very low sickness threshold. Broken leg, not much complaining. Flu and I'll moan like a bitch. Doesn't mean my broken leg hurts less, or that my flu is worse, than anyone elses. Just means I have different ways of dealing with it, and perhaps my body reacts differently to it as well. I expect the same is true of tackling addictions.

Also, giving up food is not so easy when you have to eat to survive. That's like telling an alcoholic to give up drinking, but you MUST have three square pints a day. I should imagine that makes life a lot more difficult.

I have super powers.

 

[jaba]

I love the myth about fast and slow metabolisms. "You've always been thin and you eat a lot of junk food!", or "I'm fat because I have a slow metabolism!"

that is complete rubbish, people's metabolisms may not differ that much a narrow band as you call it, but there is difference enough in that band to allow some people to eat a lot more and not put on weight than others. This eating less and doing more is a good principle but works a lot better for some people than it does others. The human body is a wonderful machine but people are still different and functions can vary greatly from person to person.

 

[throdgrain]

Ok.
Its not your fault you're fat. Its MINE! HAHAHAHA! I fed you dem burgers babeh, you loved 'em!!!






















Sigh. I wish sometimes I was more understanding and sympathetic ...