IRVR in hib - continued

[Ging]

Because i just spent 20 mins composing this im not gonna let a locked thread or films bad day stop me saying it!

The strange thing is though - that in OF when mids had str relics and hibs power relics - the game felt balanced? :>

Albs all over the world are enjoying NF and enjoying lots of relics (apparently). We need to kill these ants with antpowder! :>

Oli - Illu

i agree form a solo SB pov the three str relics did in fact bring balance to your class vs NS/Inf. but trust me LA zerkers and quad hitting savages hitting for over 1k dmg was a bit too much. As every hib seams to own a chanter/eld their was massive death spam attributed to pbaoe - show to greatest effect in DH-High at DC. Having been 1 shotted on my old ice wizz by Domain/Garb/Bittelitten plenty of times i can personally attest to how evil the hib debuff grps were.

I think that Warlocks, Vamps and bainshees have done their job by slightly increasing mid/hib numbers but classic has killed whatever good was done. I personally never had any intention of moving to classic and tbh ive made some seriously good rps over the few weeks since classic because the pugs ive run in havent been eaten by the better hib/mid grps. As discussed previously there are still some very hard grps here (GA/(any grp ive met with brite in seams well balanced and v hard to beat) and there are some new up and comming grps that will over the next few months become better and better. This ofc is form an 8 vs 8 pov, but as stated before in this thread you will find that most albs go out in fgs. If these fg arnt "culled" by some of the more elite groups they will go where the rps are.

Hibs dont help the situation because they will camp an area and lay down a shroom field. This will attract the albs to where ever this is (normally DC) and then you have your bridge camping zerg. I have heard many reason for this, mostly because its so hard ot make a grp in hib. None of the more established grps will take a "random". Not sure how intigrated hibs have been since cluster and if they grp together. I personally have found many, many superb players on alb/pryd who im very happy to grp with.

I get out in rvr because i make my own grps normaly. I cant stand soloing except on my inf as i see that as a solo class. My merc is a grp toon, my cabby is a grp toon, my sorc is mostly a pve bot as im not a very good sorc in fg rvr and i suck soloing on him for some reason (thought that would elicit some grunts and laughter).

Back on topic, both hibs and mids have plenty of ant powder, what your lacking is distributing it. If you dont take it out the box and lay it down u wont kill any ants with it. Mind u some ants bite

 

[Flimgoblin]

nah not a bad day just not had time to moderate throughout the day so you get lots of it at once. Huzzah.

I've renamed your thread since it was a reasonably sensible discussion before just filled with flame bile and general nastiness so if people behave this can continue.

My thoughts:

How come insta RvR in albion wasn't "killing the game" yet irvr in hib is?

 

[Keata]

nah not a bad day just not had time to moderate throughout the day so you get lots of it at once. Huzzah.

I've renamed your thread since it was a reasonably sensible discussion before just filled with flame bile and general nastiness so if people behave this can continue.

My thoughts:

How come insta RvR in albion wasn't "killing the game" yet irvr in hib is?

From my POV problem is that Albions are actually going for the relics where as when it was in alb frontier it was just for the rvr(aleast it was for me).

Now i have been away since you guys nailed our(mids) relics so i dont really know all that much about whats been going on in hibernia, so im sorry if thats now the case

 

[Arethir]

How come insta RvR in albion wasn't "killing the game" yet irvr in hib is?

oO i agree with Flim.

 

[Vladamir]

How come insta RvR in albion wasn't "killing the game" yet irvr in hib is?

Was the same pre-cluster on Prydwen. Most of the RvR guilds/set groups were tired of albion and wanted to move to hib/mid, although the roleplayers wouldn't let it happen. Albs generally accepted that Berks/Eras were to be owned by mids/hibs, although hibs or mids refused to let IRvR happen on their doorstep, which infact could've been more beneficial for them

 

[Kinag]

My thoughts:

How come insta RvR in albion wasn't "killing the game" yet irvr in hib is?

I'll add my two pence to this, and I did not mean for the thread to go out of balance, or did I? Guess I were just a bit depressed at the moment, though everything I seem to post turns out to be a flame towards me and my guild ^^

Anyway, I believe that the irvr in hib is killing the rvr due to the fact that people roam in such a small area throughout the Emain frontier.

And back when there were irvr in alb, which were before cluster if I'm correct, people seemed to be able to get away from the zergy spots and find battles every other places, but that's just not possible in emain from my point of view.

 

[Dorimor1]

Honestly who gives a flying fuck? If Hibs can't defend their own realm, then let them rot.

 

[Gahn]

nah not a bad day just not had time to moderate throughout the day so you get lots of it at once. Huzzah.

I've renamed your thread since it was a reasonably sensible discussion before just filled with flame bile and general nastiness so if people behave this can continue.

My thoughts:

How come insta RvR in albion wasn't "killing the game" yet irvr in hib is?

Cause iRvR in Alb is caged in a well wider area then the fucking 1 bridge fights/charges that happens lately.
And also when iRvR was in Alb no1 owned more than 1 enemy relic for big time, now Albs are getting the higher hand relic wise cause both Mid and Hib are, clearly, the 2 most beaten realms from Classic release.
Oh well enjoy it till it lasts and when, cause it WILL happen, tables will turn around and Alb will be underdog: well i will rofling all around reading sensible posts from Albs.

 

[Kinag]

Honestly who gives a flying fuck? If Hibs can't defend their own realm, then let them rot.

Not their fault that albs with their insane numbers keep pushing fowards taking the relics and keeps throughout their frontiers.

If they try to defend it with the best way possible (bainshee's CAOE and shrooms they will get whined at and reported).

Don't get me wrong, I don't like bainshee's CAE or the shrooms more than anyone else, just stating the facts.

 

[Kinag]

Cause iRvR in Alb is caged in a well wider area then the fucking 1 bridge fights/charges that happens lately.
And also when iRvR was in Alb no1 owned more than 1 enemy relic for big time, now Albs are getting the higher hand relic wise cause both Mid and Hib are, clearly, the 2 most beaten realms from Classic release.
Oh well enjoy it till it lasts and when, cause it WILL happen, tables will turn around and Alb will be underdog: well i will rofling all around reading sensible posts from Albs.

And you always seem to post about how much it will turn and how much you will be "rofling" when it happens, getting pretty old ^^

 

[Gahn]

And you always seem to post about how much it will turn and how much you will be "rofling" when it happens, getting pretty old ^^

Like he never happened already, hail the short memories!

 

[Ging]

To all who say that irvr in hib means fighting at DC bridge or DC->Crim, utter rubbish, most of the rps i got yesterday were over nr graveyard, down to wards bolg and the river down to nged. The world is much bigger were you to but explore it.

Its exactly the same amount of space used when irvr is in alb, not just beno->berks or oriens bridge. Make a fg and roam away and u WILL find other fg's doing the same. Stay and it will be the same day in and day out.

 

[Gahn]

To all who say that irvr in hib means fighting at DC bridge or DC->Crim, utter rubbish, most of the rps i got yesterday were over nr graveyard, down to wards bolg and the river down to nged. The world is much bigger were you to but explore it.

Its exactly the same amount of space used when irvr is in alb, not just beno->berks or oriens bridge. Make a fg and roam away and u WILL find other fg's doing the same. Stay and it will be the same day in and day out.

Ofc if u have an fg and some sort of speed and u stay on bridge well ... nm.
I meant for the other kind of rvr (aka solos / duos) that's pretty much dead atm.

 

[Kinag]

Like he never happened already, hail the short memories!

Well, you're right about something, I do have a short memory ;p

And I know it has happened, and yes, it is kinda funny, but not after the tenth time ;p

 

[Kinag]

To all who say that irvr in hib means fighting at DC bridge or DC->Crim, utter rubbish, most of the rps i got yesterday were over nr graveyard, down to wards bolg and the river down to nged. The world is much bigger were you to but explore it.

Its exactly the same amount of space used when irvr is in alb, not just beno->berks or oriens bridge. Make a fg and roam away and u WILL find other fg's doing the same. Stay and it will be the same day in and day out.

That's where you are partly wrong.

We ran a fg for 4 hours last night and we did find actually a few fg vs fg fights, but the second later the alb zerg or another fg added (mid, hibs or albs).

 

[Legendary Scout]

nah not a bad day just not had time to moderate throughout the day so you get lots of it at once. Huzzah.

because moderating is a must here init? or is it your daily quotum locks that had to be filled?

 

[Jebelious]

if there were not as many people on the classic server then there would be no problem tbh but as people dont want to play the full game then there will be even more of an overbalance until they come crawling back one by one

 

[Tuorin]

Perhaps ought to state a few thoughts why the current rvr is perhaps not that brilliant. I read most of the closed thread, and thought I'd try and post something objective so mods don't nuke it!

1 A lot of people have gone to classic

2 Hib was the underpopulated realm and perhaps proportionately its made more of a dent than perhaps expected.

3 Albs, some of which run in full groups, havent really gone far from keep action which tends to mean that additional players may fight on either side if there's any engagements. Of course the ungrouped or unopted or the less group efficient Hibs havent gone far from Dc either.

4 Every time I've been in a fg post classic, almost without exception have found Agramon empty and had to go near keeps. By their inherent design, keeps and towers mean that all sorts of players can play to how they want. This means non opted, wrong classes and all sorts can have fun.

5 Fg rvr type people tend to dislike those sort of battles, so either log, or go join keep/caster/leech zerg with caster alts.

6 Said caster alts or mains can sometimes with total impunity kill people in 2 bolts/nukes whatever which in turn causes more and more frustration for majority of people.

7 Stealthers tend to group together as more protection which sometimes equals more frustration for people of all realms if caught up soloing or outnumbered.

8 Albs seem to have a 24/7 ability to be able to mutate into a bigger force than their opponents within a few minutes causing frustration for the less populated realms. Thats a plus for Albion, but not perhaps for the other realms.

9 Due to fears of being outnumbered most groups of any realm (exceptions still) decide to attack anything , when in previous sitatuions they might have passed by.

10 Its easier in Mid/Hib to make an opted group than in Alb, generally speaking. Can argue pros and cons, classes, server current rvr fotm and all sorts, but in theory its easier. This tends to exacerbate the amount of solo scouts/sorcs/theurgs/wizards which tend to clump together to make rvr tenable for their point of view. This happend when irvr was in Alb a lot. The making of full groups can also be turned around within this argument though. For example Hibs primary cc class, bard can be 3-6 online for cluster. Albs primary cc might be 60 sorcs as they are an excellent solo class. So when rvr is keepcentric, it might turn this wheel around.

11 As pointed out by many others and is factual, Albion is inherently higher populated than the other two realms.

Recently I found I was the only one online at primtime in Eclipse Alliance. Was a few days post classic but still!

Anyway, game will perhaps be far more orientated around towers and keeps for sometime. It appears that Hibs nor Mids have a lot of the former players playing (and of course Albs have) and therefore when the Albs defend with such dedication then the game might feel stale for some.

When the last relic goes, how many of the few left will want to get it back when there seems to be 2 Alb guild (or set groups) running in small hours (and all night) and in prime time the volume of players comparitively can be overwhelming.

Due to that, it might mean people can't be motivated enough to try knowing that making a FG can take hours, never mind a relic raid. So in the end perhaps it is counterproductive to some and productive to others.

At the end of the day its action when server isn't overwhelming with numbers and solace is that can play caster.

 

[Aoln]

How come insta RvR in albion wasn't "killing the game" yet irvr in hib is?

because everyones a fucking hypocrite.

 

[Tuthmes]

Tuorin :worthy:

 

[Flimgoblin]

Cause iRvR in Alb is caged in a well wider area then the fucking 1 bridge fights/charges that happens lately.
And also when iRvR was in Alb no1 owned more than 1 enemy relic for big time, now Albs are getting the higher hand relic wise cause both Mid and Hib are, clearly, the 2 most beaten realms from Classic release.
Oh well enjoy it till it lasts and when, cause it WILL happen, tables will turn around and Alb will be underdog: well i will rofling all around reading sensible posts from Albs.

pre-cluster on excal we had no relics in alb and irvr in alb

 

[Flimgoblin]

Ofc if u have an fg and some sort of speed and u stay on bridge well ... nm.
I meant for the other kind of rvr (aka solos / duos) that's pretty much dead atm.

always is with any kind of irvr anywhere.

 

[Flimgoblin]

because moderating is a must here init? or is it your daily quotum locks that had to be filled?

no because some people insist on being arses.

/wave aussie.

 

[Sharkith]

How come insta RvR in albion wasn't "killing the game" yet irvr in hib is?

Its not the insta RvR that killed the game last week it was the non stop pressure from overwhelming numbers. I played as much as possible (around 20 hours which is a lot to someone with a young family) and in the end became exhausted. It isn't easy being a healer class. I then get into our GG on Sunday to have some full group fun but discover that the game is somehow now overpopulated with Lords and Ladies who are backed up by a zerg some of the time (not that they need that with the bonuses they have).

We try not to add and die because we lose group members who get mezzed and so on. The situation sucks emain for FG's it is simply too small in NF.

So it kind of has become an iRvR like situation but believe me if anyone in Hibernia could do anything about it they would.

As for FG fights people are better moving back to Agramon. TBH I am sitting here and I can't even be arsed to log in (lag in Eve online is absolutely crazy atm )

so tbh thats why FH is more interesting at the moment.

 

[Andrilyn]

I meant for the other kind of rvr (aka solos / duos) that's pretty much dead atm.

Not really, been duoing quite some days now and it's rather fun.
Even managed to kill certain FG's (OP Sorc + Cleric!).
Also it seems most people are around Crauch bridge now (Well Albs and Hibs anyway) so if you are duo and there's nothing but FG's roaming then you can always leech from the zerg there

 

[charmangle]

Well...2 reasons

My thoughts:

How come insta RvR in albion wasn't "killing the game" yet irvr in hib is?

First off...a very nice thread starting! Enjoyed a well thought through perspective of the situation!

Anyway there are 2 reasons why insta rvr in alb isnt as bad as it is now in hib/was in mid:

1) Albs have the numbers to actually handle the annoyance of having us in their realm. If any randoms get cheekey and try to nick more keeps/relics you just serg us back to our caves! (Neither hibs or mids can do that. We just dont have the numbers to controll the irvr 24/7)

2) Albs seems to have more players that tend to get bored when there isnt enough to kill. When that happens they enter hardcore pve mode and go and nick undefended relics!:/

/Charmangle

ps. Personally Id like to add that its more fun in alb too since its just boring to fight Hibclasses in siege fights!

(baselinestun, animists, banshees just takes the fun out of rvr when it comes to keeps/towers. Im not that fond of the horde of instantkill firewizzes, ridiculous range of scouts and monsterress. But heretic seems almost gone, firewizzes atleast has to be decent rr to get the instantkill and scouts I can live with. Hmm...maybe not live with but die to anyway!

 

[Azagthoth]

ALb may have the larger numbers but as far as I can see out in rvr its hib and mids that got the better players.
And yes Im an alb.

The rvr situation atm is a bit sad but its in our hands, start by trying to take a mid keep.
That goes for bouth hib and albs.

I can understand if it feels hopeless but Im telling you, we suck.
Bring out the moncheechee´s (or what they are called) and wack some alb or mid keep.
Forget about the bridge for a while.

 

[Kinag]

Warning, whatever you do never take it into your own hands

Personal experience ^^

 

[Flimgoblin]

ps. Personally Id like to add that its more fun in alb too since its just boring to fight Hibclasses in siege fights!

(baselinestun, animists, banshees just takes the fun out of rvr when it comes to keeps/towers. Im not that fond of the horde of instantkill firewizzes, ridiculous range of scouts and monsterress. But heretic seems almost gone, firewizzes atleast has to be decent rr to get the instantkill and scouts I can live with. Hmm...maybe not live with but die to anyway!

pre-cluster on excal we had a lot of irvr being set up in albion (and it wasn't that easy to boot everyone out with 80 mids+warlocks defending in erasleigh and some of the albs actively supporting it). It led to a few relic raids in fact.

I imagine people prefer coming to albion because taking keeps from sorcerers (no aoe damage? lifetaps are nice as is bolt range mezz but not when you're around the corner in the lord room) is a whole lot less nasty than taking it from ui pbaoeing warlocks and screaming bainshees with shroom support.

Does irvr ever get set up in midgard?

 

[Flimgoblin]

Warning, whatever you do never take it into your own hands

Personal experience ^^

No, just don't take it out of your realm mates hands a difference.

If you want to log off your albs till irvr goes away (and maybe level up some hibs to help kick them out) that's probably a lot less reprehensible than the course of action chosen before.