Iraq-Was it worth it ?

[Ash!]

Since the war to oust Saddam is now over. The coalition are are the resident occupying force, my question is was it all worth it ?

I suppose we are the wrong people to answer that question. Ultimately its the people of Iraq who should decide that. From what I see through our very biased media is that the quality of life hasnt got better for the ordinary Mr or Mrs oppressed on the streets of Baghdad.

Added to the fact that there is no tangible evidence to date that Iraq had Weapons of Mass destruction. IMHO I think the motives for the war on Iraq and its continued occupation are weak.

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[doh_boy]

They're marginly (urm :s Sp) better off. But its a very diverse country with old divisions still causing friction. Add to this the fact that not enough work is going on to rebuild the country because the us refuse to give work to non us/uk companies (or whichever countries didn't 'chip in' with the fighting) but want the UN to pay for most of it. I think its kinda arrogant and cheeky but it seems that UN are going to pay so it may get better soon. I also watching a (very) small bit of the documentry on CH4 last night and it seems that the soliders there are getting very jumpy (trigger happy). The one story I saw was where americans opened fire on two cars. One was carrying three teenagers (who, as far as I can see, weren't terrorists) and one carrying a family.

There was also a moving part about a man who volunteered to cleer away un-exploded cluster bombs from popular paths around kerbela (I only heard it pronounced). He was finishing a path used by school children when he was killed. It just furthers the point that anti-personnell armaments* have no place in modern warfare.

all imho

*- as in mines etc. not bullets or whatever for those familiar to pendantry.

 

[L_Plates]

I think the UK have enough problems of our own to sort out nevermind other countries. Thats all im saying.

 

[xane]

Originally posted by Ash!
Added to the fact that there is no tangible evidence to date that Iraq had Weapons of Mass destruction.

Iraq certainly did have WMD at one point, I assume you are referring to whether they had them at the time of the war or not.

 

[Tom]

Its a bit early to say whether or not it was all worth it. Historians will no doubt have their own opinions in the years to come. From my point of view, at least in both Afghanistan and Iraq there is at least the prospect of advancement for each country. Who determines the course that it takes is up for debate, but I don't think anybody here, or in Iraq/Afghanistan for that matter, mourns the passing of the Taleban or Saddam Hussein's regime.

I don't have a problem with the USA's insistence on contracts going to western companies. After all, the USA and UK have both spent a lot of money doing the business over there, and those countries who protested, particularly over Iraq, should not be allowed to compete for financial gain now that the original aims have been accomplished.

 

[doh_boy]

Originally posted by Tom
not be allowed to compete for financial gain now that the original aims have been accomplished.

Even though they're expected to pay for most of it?

 

[L_Plates]

Originally posted by doh_boy
Even though there expected to pay for most of it?

He means like france who said no to helping us out. They should not be able to go in and earn what they can.

 

[maxi--]

hehe

 

[Sichama]

Iraq obviously didn't have Weapons of mass destruction, and the people in charge knew it...
No one gave a fuck about Iraqi people and the people in charge still don't...

This was a war for Oil, plain and simple, and if the people in charge feel they will earn a buck more don't doubt that they will bomb your country too.

 

[Ash!]

Re: Re: Iraq-Was it worth it ?

Originally posted by xane
Iraq certainly did have WMD at one point, I assume you are referring to whether they had them at the time of the war or not.

Yes at the time of the war

 

[Arnor]

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the war on iraq just proves how fucking apathetic the rest of the world, and UN and all that is.


oh, and what a complete retard bush is

 

[L_Plates]

Over the last few years i think i have lost face in the British Goverment. We do not seem to care anymore all we want to do is jump in bed the yanks.


The sooner i can get of this sinking ship the better !!

 

[Flamin_Squirrel]

I would be more worried about the socialist gits in Europe than the yanks, and if the war helped our relationship with the US, then it was worth it.

 

[dysfunction]

I think Iraq will be a lot better off in the future if they have good leadership.

Its far too early for anyone to see any real benefits other than the fact that people are now free to watch/read/talk/demonstrate about whatever they want to without worrying about being killed for it.

For millions of People in South Africa there is absolutely no difference to their lives apart from the fact that they are free from oppression. It takes a very very long time for things to filter down

The UN should take more responsibility for Iraq now.

 

[L_Plates]

Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel
I would be more worried about the socialist gits in Europe than the yanks, and if the war helped our relationship with the US, then it was worth it.

See what i mean. Lets just drop to our knees and start sucking !!

 

[Cdr]

Originally posted by dysfunction
Its far too early for anyone to see any real benefits other than the fact that people are now free to watch/read/talk/demonstrate about whatever they want to without worrying about being killed for it.

Assuming they dont do it infront of American soldiers - then they're likely to be fired upon

 

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Originally posted by L_Plates
See what i mean. Lets just drop to our knees and start sucking !!

Would you rather take it up the arse from the french?

 

[L_Plates]

No i would rather we looked after ourselves for once instead of every one else. !!!

 

[Cdr]

Originally posted by L_Plates
No i would rather we looked after ourselves for once instead of every one else. !!!

How do you suggest we do that?

 

[L_Plates]

It depends how you mean - Im aiming at our own economy / Jobs etc etc ....

 

[Flamin_Squirrel]

If you want to the UK to look after the UK, then being in bed with the US is the best thing we can do. We cant survive on our own, and better to to be in bed with the Americans who pretty much let us do our own thing. Europe already has us relinqushing judcial powers to Brussels. Now they are proposing an EU defence force. We'd even lose the ability to enter into our own treaty aliances on our own. Given the fiasco with the 1441 resolution, can you imagine having to rely on the french for making choices about our nations defence?

 

[L_Plates]

And who the fuck has the right to tell / stop us running our country how we want.

The yanks have no say in what we do nor do the french.

Uk is british and therfore run by the British.


To me it just feels like we are slowly being fucked over and we dont seem to care.

 

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Originally posted by L_Plates
And who the fuck has the right to tell / stop us running our country how we want.

At the moment, noone. We still have to decide where to place our interests though, be it with Europe or the US. The Americans might ask us to support them from time to time, but they value liberty, something that the socialist fuckwits on the continent have no concept of.

The war in Iraq is a small price to pay if it means we can stay with America and avoid being run by garlic chewers and sausage suckers

 

[L_Plates]

Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel
At the moment, noone. We still have to decide where to place our interests though, be it with Europe or the US. The Americans might ask us to support them from time to time, but they value liberty, something that the socialist fuckwits on the continent have no concept of.

The war in Iraq is a small price to pay if it means we can stay with America and avoid being run by garlic chewers and sausage suckers

The thing that worries me about mad ass bush and america is the fact that he seems to of set his eyes on his next victim already. ( IRAN ) he is a war munger and we are more than happy to play follw my leader whenever and werever he wants to.

 

[Sichama]

Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel
The war in Iraq is a small price to pay if it means we can stay with America and avoid being run by garlic chewers and sausage suckers

Especialy since the price for the war had to be paid by the Iraqi people and not you...typical

 

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Well lets hope Iraq was enough to keep America happy. I doubt that Blair would commit political suicide by getting involved in another war just yet, given how the last one went down.

However mistrusting you are of the US, please just dont do something silly like vote Liberal. If they get in power we'll end up speaking french

 

[L_Plates]

Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel
Well lets hope Iraq was enough to keep America happy. I doubt that Blair would commit political suicide by getting involved in another war just yet, given how the last one went down.

However mistrusting you are of the US, please just dont do something silly like vote Liberal. If they get in power we'll end up speaking french

Well blair jumped into another war straight after Afghanistan. So really we have 2 wars unfinished as we have any of the main figure heads in custody yet.

So TBH i think if Bush says * LETS GO TONY * he will !

 

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Originally posted by Sichama
Especialy since the price for the war had to be paid by the Iraqi people and not you...typical

Wake up. You live in the west, your mere existance in this country is to the detriment of others in less fortunate countries. Besides, hopefully the war will benefit Iraq in the long run.

 

[Sichama]

Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel
Wake up. You live in the west, your mere existance in this country is to the detriment of others in less fortunate countries. Besides, hopefully the war will benefit Iraq in the long run.

This speaks the truth...
And hope dies last doesn't it?

But because it is the truth it doesn't make it right, nor denying the truth will make us better people.

Its just refreshing seeing people aknowledge it.

/salut

 

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Yeah I agree

I just hope when the Americans have got what they went in for (and i dont think it was oil) and things have settled down that they will benefit from being able to establish a government in a way they see fit.