infiltrators vs hunters

[mid_Efour]

Is it best to try and attack watch them evade and then llet them do the evade chain 9 sec stun?

or

Just sit down and type /release so you can port back faster?


yes, somebody got owned, again

 

[old.Jeriraa]

Sit down and press your /release macro. Thats what I always do. Hunters are one of the few classes wich Infis actually are designed to "own".

 

[mid_Efour]

hehe ok, Btw what class are we designed to "own" ? grey cons?

 

[Meatballs]

wow you must be pretty bad if ye cant kill a caster or an unstealthed rogue at range

 

[old.mattshanes]

HAHAHA efour you are funny nah get more str 2 weaps and crack them out 2 hits

 

[erl]

Just run. Allways have a finger on the sprint-button when running in infil-crowded areas like emain. When one pops, just hit the spring button. Most of the infils don't use snare on their first weaponsetup (if they do, purge it) and none I've met so far have been quick enough to press the sprint button to catch up with me before I get out of melee distance. Once you're out of melee distance you can do many fun things.

1. Pop your speedspell and get the hell out of there.
2. Sprint until you're low on end, use an end totem and fight the infil hoping he hasn't a totem ready. Just check so you're sure he has sprinted so he's low on end. An infil without end is way easier then one with end. You'll need at least fa2 if the infil hasn't any heals to win anyways.
3. If you have a pet, just pet-kite him, works wonders if you got a level 40+ pet and the infil isn't smart enough to snare it and go for you.

An other tactic that is rather fun and I've succeeded with some times is the following. Have a pet ready, and be sure to have purge up (the first RA a hunter should get). Let the infil hit you until his out of end, either by just standing there (thus avoiding the evade-based stun) or by fighting styleless. When you think he's out of end, purge the snare (which you probably have by then), stick the pet on him and sprint. Now he can't outrun the pet and either have to snare it (which many don't think of) or fight it which means you can pluck him full of arrows.

If you have IP and purge up you can try just to stand and fight, but now that the albs have the str-relics even that is pretty hard, especially if the infil has IP too.

A rule of thumb is to never ever melee a thrust infil when you don't have purge up, dragonfang will just kill you.

All this assumes you didn't get PAed though, if you did, purge CD and run or just die.

Now I've just showed all infils my complete bag of tricks, so please forget what you just read if you're an infil .

 

[erl]

Originally posted by Meatballs
wow you must be pretty bad if ye cant kill a caster or an unstealthed rogue at range

Not really, this is how it can go if it's bad against an infil:

See infil at range, fire arrow, hit for 300, infil turns agains me, fire one more arrow, hits for 300, fire one more arrow when infil's really close, infil evades, BANG dragonfang and dead hunter before the stun wears off.

Or:

Same as above but the infil IPs when he's close and owns you in melee, since most hunters don't have IP.

Not fun when it happens

 

[genedril]

Well mid_Efour, my ranger tactic when jumped by an inf or sb or even a passing zerg is to run around in cirlces & time how long I last. I know I wont win against fg or more. I know I wont win against an assassin as d-o-t & whatever reduces my con to 20 kicks in. As it's only 75 with item's it's not that hard.

This way I can judge an assassins effectiveness or how attentive the rest of a group are by how long I've lived. I actually managed to lose one alb tank in his own group which kept running & as I circled I joined them - hit FA2 & then sprinted off into the distance.

 

[Cush]

Erl think there is some corrections needed to what u said abotu when a infil rushes ut.. should atleast be 1 or 2 fumbles aswell

 

[scarffs]

Infils evade shots at any range, so include some evades earlier on also.
And when exactly do you see an infil alone, unstealthed, at good bow range ?? Or its a hunter trap or the guy is so dumb you fumble every shot in amazement.

I dont mind being owned by an assassin, but the problem is :
1. There are so many around
2. See hidden = lame, they should also have a form of ts, on a timer, why have it all the time ? I would pay 15 Realm points + to get see hidden and see infils.
Thats my opinion, just see hidden is the problem. The purpose of archers is to scout and pick off a loner here and there, but as it is you can kill one then wait for a PA since your camo is gone for ten mins...

 

[ignore]

Originally posted by erl
Now I've just showed all infils my complete bag of tricks, so please forget what you just read if you're an infil .

mental note: carry more snared weapons

 

[old.willowywicca]

as part of nwe dueling system xest wanted to test ranegr crit shot dm on champs, results of test was as follows:

1st crit-shot: evaded
2nd crit-shot: missed
3rd crit-shot: evaded
4th crit-shot: hit for about 580~ damage

if a champ with just evade 1 is like this.. really gotta fell sorry for hunters vs assassins, since they have low melee capability too unlike scouts (slam) and rangers (CD dmg + self dmg add)

 

[mid_Efour]

hehe yes but Xest is a rare breed of "Male elf loving Elf"

 

[Azal]

Timing how long it takes to die while you run around in circles isn't a very accurate measure...whenever someone does that to me and doesnt bother tring to fight back i just hit stick and kill them unstyled to save end

 

[k9awya]

e4 wait for insta pets

then you will pwn infils 1:1 no pots !!

 

[mid_Efour]

YEAH ! ! ! 1

ill just KAL XEN a few llamas and Walrusses and goto work on the bitch

Bringing back Hunter Class One "fucking" INF at a time

 

[Livueta]

Originally posted by k9awya
e4 wait for insta pets

then you will pwn infils 1:1 no pots !!

You wish ^^

 

[genedril]

Danm Azal I'll have to come up with a new method. Being a pierce wielding ranger leaves me with not a lot of stuff to throw at you blades when you've dumped your posion at me. When I told Durgi how many hp I had he almost fell off his chair.

Then again, when I saw how many he had I nearly flipped my lid <laughs>.

 

[k9awya]

Originally posted by Livueta


You wish ^^

No, I don't actually care in infils kill hunters or not.

What I know is the insta pets can hit for up to 250, alongisde a hunters melee (can hit for up to 300 in many cases) this could be quite dangerous.

 

[old.neenee]

cant wait till assassins loose ip, oh happy dayysss, oh happy dayasss then hunters will kill em =op

 

[<Wels>]

Heh I feel sorry for the hunters in melee, I really do.....they own me in melee

 

[old.mattshanes]

Hunters are more better than people think.

 

[Meatballs]

... and Matt's English isn't all that bad either.

 

[mid_Efour]

lol

 

[osrim]

Hunters

At the moment hunters chance to kill buffed infil is low even with purge but after 1.56 things change cause IP > other ra's.

Get purge, IP and then buffs if possible -> harder times for assassins...

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by mid_Efour
Is it best to try and attack watch them evade and then llet them do the evade chain 9 sec stun?

or

Just sit down and type /release so you can port back faster?


yes, somebody got owned, again

use the annoying speed spell of yours and your fine ;>

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Yeah, that annoying speed spell works so well with DoT running through your body.

Hunters will get it a bit easier when there's no more IP to fight against and we get our insta-pets.

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by Tesla Monkor
Yeah, that annoying speed spell works so well with DoT running through your body.

Hunters will get it a bit easier when there's no more IP to fight against and we get our insta-pets.

... I sliced you into ickle pieces with no IP Tesla

... mind you, I'm not looking forward to those pets... not in the slightest...

 

[Sarnat]

Originally posted by genedril
Danm Azal I'll have to come up with a new method. Being a pierce wielding ranger leaves me with not a lot of stuff to throw at you blades when you've dumped your posion at me. When I told Durgi how many hp I had he almost fell off his chair.

Huh? 75 con with items?? Time to get some proper items I guess? Now with spellcrafting, every char should max their con and +HP and primary weapon/dmg dealing stat first (dex obviously for rangers, pie for mid casters etc).

And don't forget resists naturally.

 

[Svartur]

Nag nag nag

Here are some unofficial spoilers how to survive/die or just be lame.

Unofficial Hunter survival guide:

I dont want to stay and fight I cant keel this uber infil ffs!
Sprint -> purge -> speedspell -> Yell Cya!!!
Don't stop until you are far away and restealth so he cant follow you and use face with see hidden to find you again. Feel the satisfaction of surviving an encounter with assassin xXx once again and go watch TV until camo timer or your guts is back.

Did you get PA:ed? Yes Did it hurt? A little Did you not react and/or got stunned to maybe? Yes
Purge -> sprint -> speedspell -> Heal maybe -> Truesight (if you want to retaliate)
-> howl in victory to assassin xXx
-> or release

Did PA miss and you just got poped out of stealth?
Closest enemy button -> stick -> Melee -> purge when doted or dragonfanged
-> howl in in victory to assassin xXx
-> or release

Did you get PA:ed or know its a badfiltrator (IP/Dragonfang and uberbuffed or gay?) but still want payback?
Sprint -> purge (if dot/snare etc) -> speedspell -> Heal yourself maybe -> Truesight -> hope for the best in the upcoming melee
-> howl in victory to assassin xXx
-> or release

Where you attacked by a gimpfiltrator?
Closest enemy -> stick -> melee -> purge (if necessary)
-> howl in victory to assassin xXx
-> or release -> reroll

Is it a mini alb stealth zerg with baits etc versus you?
Sprint -> Purge -> Speedspell -> Yell Are you sure you don't need more people alb wuzzies?

Did someone fart in your direction and the speedspell was interupted?
Sprint -> Endurance totem (if necessary)

Do your chasers have See hidden?
Sprint towards apk/hpk/guards and suicide cause you are dead anyway without speed and camo.
Feel the enjoyment of knowing that 8 albs just spent 30 seconds chasing you for no gain and all you traded for it is up to 10 min on pad... -> watch TV

Are you a looser?
Yell for help -> sprint towards closest friendly zerg -> purge/speedspell (if necessary) -> Yell for more help -> Yell FFS infiltrator on me heal pls -> rest among zerg -> laugh at infiltrator if he died -> Truesight assassin if you want to and lead zerg to him -> gloat on irc at assassin xXx

Never ever done anything close to the last solution... *cough*