Infils QQ, Mythic weaken...

[Cracked]

Ofc Infils should get a free singleline respecstone. As for the the crossbow... WTF?!! Infiltrators do NOT NEED MORE LOVE!!!!!!1

- Fix dex/con poisons.
- Give Sb's Dex/Str weapons.
- put SB's on CD/DW mechanichs.
- Lower infils to 2.2 specpoints.
- Remove stealth from Minstrels!
- Give SB's a stun off evade.

Common WoW, hurry up!

 

[Rulke]

Theres only 1 way to sort this out, make every infil into a thane and every thane into an infil!

 

[Anastasia]

Ofc Infils should get a free singleline respecstone. As for the the crossbow... WTF?!! Infiltrators do NOT NEED MORE LOVE!!!!!!1

- Fix dex/con poisons.
- Give Sb's Dex/Str weapons.
- put SB's on CD/DW mechanichs.
- Lower infils to 2.2 specpoints.
- Remove stealth from Minstrels!
- Give SB's a stun off evade.

Common WoW, hurry up!

Alternatively, get rid of Albion and Hibernia altogether, and force everyone to play as Midguard A, Midguard B or Midguard C. That'd be balalnced and then all the realm balance whiners would finally HAVE to shut the fuck up.

Be loads of fun then wouldn't it?

 

[Morchaoron]

every class that gets a change deserves a respec, xbows should have been poisonable from the beginning, so should sbs throwing axes, and nightshades should have a bow instead of these silly shouts (hib devs probably didnt do this cuz they were whining at each other it would look too much like a ranger then, and they were out of other ranged weapons (this is mythic logic))

 

[Wij]

No need for a whine about respec. Seems fair to me. SBs got one after LA nerf.

Snare xbow though ???

Gifv something like that to SBs and NSs now or I QQ big

 

[Shike]

hihi, now the campers dont have to go melee at all when they wanna leech abit, plink some arrows with lifebane and some RPs should be inc

GG Mythic :worthy:

 

[Hargh]

Agree, they should get a respec but this crossbow addition seems .... unfair on the other two assassin classes, not to mention the bow using classes who cannot get envenom on their weapons. Now I'm sure a Hunter with a snare crit shot would also be a bit over powered so I think it comes back to being better that no poisons should be applyable to ranged weapons.

 

[Oro]

Though never played an inf, I know from experience that, for example, changing a style or spell by 0.3 seconds delay can have significant impact on the game.

Changing (arguably) the most popular style in the game and thinking it wouldn't have a big impact probably means you haven't thought it through. Mythic have said in the past - you get something you use boosted... no respec, nerfed... you get respec. The stun component is a nerf.

The xbow envenom looks a nice bit of fluff. Could be really funny in keep takes. Get a few infs to combine and apply different poisons then take out one target together could be really nasty.

Lots of peeps have already said that Frontiers looks like there will be more in it for ranged attack users than there is currently. Nightshades have always had a DD (though relatively weak), its just SBs that are left with fairly pitiful ranged options for fun. Portable luri catapult should even it up or troll stealthers

Its just another typical Sigurd post where its more fun to cwy and flame instead of just discussing the subject

<shrug>

 

[Mavericky]

Any assasin having ranges poisons seems overpowered to me. Having the ability to use the ML 9 mezzz, and then restealthing to have the easiest PA ever sucks, or to debuff the targets str/con then snare, stealth and have a low hp target to pa also seem harsh.

 

[yaruar]

No need for a whine about respec. Seems fair to me. SBs got one after LA nerf.

Snare xbow though ???

Gifv something like that to SBs and NSs now or I QQ big

And they say giving thanes some sort of snare or stun would make us overpowered and it will never happen.

LOL, shows you how much mythic know or care. Give an already overpowered class extra utility and leave us other people languishing in the doldrums.

And if you don't think infils are overpowered then you're mistaken, no assasin should be able to take on a tank one on one. Yet I know that if an infil pops I've got such a small chance to win it's scary. And yes thanes are hybrids, but even so they are a great 1 on 1 tanking class. The nerf to DF will help (although a nerf to runthrough/face tactics would be nice too as 1/2 the slealthers I meet use this tactic to make me miss...)

 

[Tualatin]

they should fix strafing first imo it sux when a fast wielder strafes around you, hitting you thus not getting "you were strafing in combat and miss" , and when you do it with a slower weap i can't hit em anyway.

 

[Oro]

Don't really understand why everyone is getting so upset about the xbow thing.

Has anyone who has posted on this thread actually played with this in effect?

Thought not

Wait til release. Then complain if its warranted.

 

[enigma]

Shadowblades also get envenom throwing knives, the dumb 'blades just forgot to check pendragon too. Ns' however, don't.

 

[Mavericky]

Shadowblades also get envenom throwing knives, the dumb 'blades just forgot to check pendragon too. Ns' however, don't.

It would be wrong for any assasin to have it, shadowblades included

 

[Poag]

Actually you`ll find SB`s stun off evade style is the dearest of the 3 to get.

Not only do we have to spec our main weaponline to 40+, but we then have to spec LA to 39 for Frosty Gaze our stun style.

1274 Spec points for Dragonfang or
1598 Spec points for 40 Sword/Axe, 39 LeftAxe or
2053 Spec points for 50 Sword/Axe, 39 LeftAxe.

So dont go bitching about it not being fair that NS get a 5s stun off evade @ 25 Spec and yours is at 50 Spec. SB`s have had to spend upto 60% more spec spec points than Infils to get there stun style.

You should be glad you still have it cheap compaired to SB`s.

Umm i am unsure about what you have posted Emma, for infils you have put down the thrust line for stun @ 50 spec.

Yet for Sbs you have put down 2 or 3 lines for stun and yet the stun is only at 39 LD [going from DAoCPlanner] which is 779 spec points spent while the infils is...errr 1274 as you say.

Can you explain y u have put in the 40/50 sword/axe lines in for sb and not infil..i mean surly the infil will need to spec DW aswell as SBs....no? or are they expected to only use the Thrust line and if that is so then y arn't sbs using only the LA line in your description.

So its shoudl really read for stuns only

Infil 1274 Thrust
SB 779 LA

i may have gotten completely the wrong end of the stick but y u put down Sword/Axe for SB and not DW for infil confused me

-Gale

ps- Sorry for that grp running u down when u got me infront of the amg a few days ago..i knew they were coming [guildy in the grp] and was planning to use them as cover so i could get through the amg alive...so i was milling about infront of the gate trying not to die and be close enough to run through with them, but if they hadn't turned up you would have killed me..solo RR2 scout doesn't have much survivability up close :<

 

[Mavericky]

Don't really understand why everyone is getting so upset about the xbow thing.

Has anyone who has posted on this thread actually played with this in effect?

Thought not

Wait til release. Then complain if its warranted.

Are you the sort of person who sees a bus coming towards you and waits to get run over. Or would you anticipate it hurting and move out the way?

 

[Mavericky]

Umm i am unsure about what you have posted Emma, for infils you have put down the thrust line for stun @ 50 spec.

Yet for Sbs you have put down 2 or 3 lines for stun and yet the stun is only at 39 LD [going from DAoCPlanner] which is 779 spec points spent while the infils is...errr 1274 as you say.

Can you explain y u have put in the 40/50 sword/axe lines in for sb and not infil..i mean surly the infil will need to spec DW aswell as SBs....no? or are they expected to only use the Thrust line and if that is so then y arn't sbs using only the LA line in your description.

So its shoudl really read for stuns only

Infil 1274 Thrust
SB 779 LA

i may have gotten completely the wrong end of the stick but y u put down Sword/Axe for SB and not DW for infil confused me

-Gale
:<

Infiltrators only have to get 50thrust for stun, a SB could in theory just spec left axe, but would have untrained weapon still so hit like a feather. The SB has to train in 2 lines to get a stun and damage, the inf needs only 1

 

[Eroa]

Umm i am unsure about what you have posted Emma, for infils you have put down the thrust line for stun @ 50 spec.

Yet for Sbs you have put down 2 or 3 lines for stun and yet the stun is only at 39 LD [going from DAoCPlanner] which is 779 spec points spent while the infils is...errr 1274 as you say.

Can you explain y u have put in the 40/50 sword/axe lines in for sb and not infil..i mean surly the infil will need to spec DW aswell as SBs....no? or are they expected to only use the Thrust line and if that is so then y arn't sbs using only the LA line in your description.

So its shoudl really read for stuns only

Infil 1274 Thrust
SB 779 LA

i may have gotten completely the wrong end of the stick but y u put down Sword/Axe for SB and not DW for infil confused me

-Gale

ps- Sorry for that grp running u down when u got me infront of the amg a few days ago..i knew they were coming [guildy in the grp] and was planning to use them as cover so i could get through the amg alive...so i was milling about infront of the gate trying not to die and be close enough to run through with them, but if they hadn't turned up you would have killed me..solo RR2 scout doesn't have much survivability up close :<

She put in the 40 and 50 sword since you have to spec the weapon aswell if you want to be able to hit something. Whilest a Inf only have to spec one line and get both the stun and the weaponskill.

(and i got beaten to it by maverik)

 

[Aoln]

Xbow range + pbaoe mez poison = xDDD

 

[Jacilja]

Fuck off lol, ofc they should have a respec if smth gets changed. EVERYONE else in the past has gotten it if their class was changed or whatever. Common fuckin sense to do that.

And yeah, envenom on xbows, so gr8, you gonna go cry at your mum now also cus of it?

Scouts didn't get the same bloody respec!!!!

 

[Wij]

She put in the 40 and 50 sword since you have to spec the weapon aswell if you want to be able to hit something. Whilest a Inf only have to spec one line and get both the stun and the weaponskill.

(and i got beaten to it by maverik)

Actually Infs have to train DW too to make their dmg output good. However with 2.5 spec points it's not a problem

 

[Fluffybunny]

Sigurd QQs more, still noone cares

haha i find this so funny, if as you say noone cares katt, then why the hell is it this thread 4 pages long? and people think it is very unfair (all stealthers even many infs)

katt=idiot imo

 

[Hargh]

^ good call.

 

[Mavericky]

Actually Infs have to train DW too to make their dmg output good. However with 2.5 spec points it's not a problem

The difference is, SB's need to train axe for their weapon skill (left axe training does not add to weaponskill)
infs dont need to do anything but the one line for stun and weaponskill

 

[Freppe]

Haha, once again ill say this. IF you dont see that its FAIR to give INFILS a respec when changing their class your basicly retarded, its of common sense to do that. And if mythic didnt do it in the past to all the classes, cant remember if they did it to scouts or not. Anyways, tough luck. Also its not really anything to cry about. Its feels like some of you think, oh hey if they dont get a respec, they might stick have to stick to THRUST(not like they wont change anyway, some might go slash but mostly will stick thrust.) and mebbe some can kill em!!!! Respec stones are quite cheap anyway, so dont bother. 4 Secs change aint much no, and it wont matter for the class no, they will still do massive amount of dmg under the stun, much more than NS's/Sb's will ever do however, as I said, they are still entitled to a respec yes. So dont bother commenting it.

I know most of you are like, a boost for infils is sad!!! Shouldnt happen, know Nalistah thinks so, at least thats what he expressed being drunk last nite .
However, if you rly think gettin xbow envenomed is such a boost, tough luck, mostly of you are duoing / zerging anyways so it wont concern you much.

/regards

 

[Poag]

Infiltrators only have to get 50thrust for stun, a SB could in theory just spec left axe, but would have untrained weapon still so hit like a feather. The SB has to train in 2 lines to get a stun and damage, the inf needs only 1

ah..makes sense now..i was looking at it going....Oo

(and i got beaten to it by maverik)

Type faster!

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

I can think of a hundred uses an infil could find for envenoming crossbows...

Agreed. they can litterally kite everything with it...
they can root a caster from 1500 range, snare env, stealth, re-env then str/con debuff = rooted :|

 

[Poag]

Also at some point didn't Mythic do a grab bag stating that

When they nerfed something - they would gives a respecc
When they boosted something [yeah right a boost...good joke] - they would NOT give a respecc.


and the changes to thrust are a nerf to the line arn't they?


but yus it does also affect the scouts and merc so they should get one aswell.....gifv scouty love

 

[Oro]

Are you the sort of person who sees a bus coming towards you and waits to get run over. Or would you anticipate it hurting and move out the way?

If the bus is made by "Matchbox" then probably not. If its the local No. 39 then yes but I'd have plenty of time to get out of the way because its always late, doubly so on Thursdays. If the Matchbox bus however has been launched from a catapult I'd duck but I'd return fire with a complete Hotwheels collection. If the arms race escalated and I was facing a Tonka bus, I would dodge but immobilise it with a very large electromagnet. If the bus was lego I'd simply rebuild it into a robot and send it back the way it came.

Mercifully, not very many buses in DAoC. But lots of twaddle

 

[Mavericky]

If the bus is made by "Matchbox" then probably not. If its the local No. 39 then yes but I'd have plenty of time to get out of the way because its always late, doubly so on Thursdays. If the Matchbox bus however has been launched from a catapult I'd duck but I'd return fire with a complete Hotwheels collection. If the arms race escalated and I was facing a Tonka bus, I would dodge but immobilise it with a very large electromagnet. If the bus was lego I'd simply rebuild it into a robot and send it back the way it came.

Mercifully, not very many buses in DAoC. But lots of twaddle

lol nice comeback :worthy: