Infils QQ, Mythic weaken...

[Sigurd]

As a result of infil's crying, Mythic have decided to give them their dummy back:

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Dark Age of Camelot

Test Version 1.69n Release Notes

April 7, 2004
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NEW THINGS AND BUG FIXES

- (Pendragon Only) Activating Sure Shot deactivates Rapid Fire.

- Infiltrators have been granted a single line respec as a result of the changes made to the Dragonfang thrust style in version 1.69a.

- Crossbows can now be envenomed by characters with the Envenom skill.
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GG Mythic... first nerf SBs, then nerf NS to hell in frontiers, and when they lower the stun by a few seconds on one style in one of the infiltrator's specline, infils whine so much that Mythic feels compelled to give them a free respec AND envenom crossbows... rofl! Why not allow SBs to envenom their throwing weapons? Or give NS a castable DoT? This is getting silly... and please no-one say "someone was owned" as I personally don't have trouble with solo infils... but I think SBs and NS might be more than a little displeased at this latest turn of events.

 

[Thegreatest]

Whats the use of envenom'ing xbows? Why should an infil prefer to attack at 750 range with a weapon that does 40-50 damage every shot instead of PA anyway?

 

[Sigurd]

I can think of a hundred uses an infil could find for envenoming crossbows...

 

[Freppe]

Fuck off lol, ofc they should have a respec if smth gets changed. EVERYONE else in the past has gotten it if their class was changed or whatever. Common fuckin sense to do that.

And yeah, envenom on xbows, so gr8, you gonna go cry at your mum now also cus of it?

 

[wittor]

what freppe said

 

[Nalistah]

Hmm... really fucking LOL.. envenom arrows? can stop ppl from running away from them... just have a snared arrow ready, and your opponent cant get away.

This is l0lz0r ;C.... MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE WUB FOR INFILS, PLZZZZZZ, THEY REAAAAAAAAAALLY NEED IT!!!!!1111

 

[Spamb0t]

snare/dot kite with xbow jejejje zZZzz
or well just snare ppl who try to run

 

[Yussef]

It was planned for envenomed crossbows to be in ages ago iirc? Oo

Nalistah: Where does it say Longbows or arrows are envenomable?

 

[Yussef]

Although, Armsmen can snare on the run now, Mr Infil envenoms for Mr Armsman and you now have a ranged snare on the run machine!

 

[Freppe]

xDD

 

[katt!]

Sigurd QQ, Noone cares

 

[Damon_D]

LOL once againt Mythic(k) proves they dont have a clue.. Armsmen fire'ring snare/lifebane/str/con-debuff arrows at you on the run... thats nice

And infil's will have the option to do some nifty kiting with this tool....
"pop" , fire arrow with snare , fire arrow with debuff , re-stealth , PA .
That way they will get full dmg of the con debuff unlike when its used on the weapon you PA with.... Nifty feature if you can pull it off I would say....

 

[Dorin]

hehe infil m8s getting ranged leech abilities, must have whined they dont get close to the target becouse of the other 45 alb stealthers "roxoring" it :> but in this case put snare on shade casted dd and heat based dot on the instant one and ofc dexqui debuffing rulzor boomerangs for sbs.

 

[Marczje]

Funny.. so now an assasin gets more fun stuff with ranged then archers.. hmmm

.. snare from range...


omg

 

[Fana]

Cant for the life of me understand why sb's and nightshades dont get a similar envenom ability on their throwingweapons/magic

Or well, might have to redesign so that nightshades got some throwingweapon as well, as it would probably be pretty unbalanced if they just got snares/debuffs etc in their spelline. Best would just be if they dropped that new ability from infils.

 

[Speeedy]

Why do you moan Sigurd that the infs get a respec? did you moan when respecs were given to other classes in mid/hib when they were nurfed?

Lets face it DF is the only thurst style of any use in that spec line and they are still toning it down so dont see the problem.

As it stands (if i remember right) if a class gets a nurf they get a single line respec to change there spec. If a class gets loving they dont get a respec but have to rely on a stone to do it.

 

[Rulke]

I thought SBs could envenom their throwing weapons already?

 

[Sigurd]

A few fucking seconds off a stun style and they recieve a single line respec? Fuck off. A lot of classes have had worse nerfs and recieved no respec at all... fair? But no, 90% of DAoC players are whining little kids with an infil and the buffbot their daddy bought them, so Mythic is "persuaded" - that and the fact that albion, from day one, was Mythic's lovechild... people telling me to QQ could perhaps read the fucking post and apply common sense before replying

 

[Speeedy]

A few fucking seconds off a stun style and they recieve a single line respec? Fuck off. A lot of classes have had worse nerfs and recieved no respec at all... fair? But no, 90% of DAoC players are whining little kids with an infil and the buffbot their daddy bought them, so Mythic is "persuaded" - that and the fact that albion, from day one, was Mythic's lovechild... people telling me to QQ could perhaps read the fucking post and apply common sense before replying

Now a 5 sec stun instead of 9sec? so loose almost 50% but its only few seconds so they now get the same ability as the other 2 realms (Sb/Ns) but at a much higher cost.. alb level 50 spec hib/mid level 25ish? Now that is a nurf and as i said before.. all classes that get nurfed get a single line respec the ones that get love have to get a stone to change to the FotM line.

Did you whine when left axe got a nurf and Zerks/Sb's got a singleline respec? cause i'm pritty sure they did get one.

As for applying common sense before replying.. maybe put some in the first post and then you wouldnt get QQ replys

 

[Archeon]

so they now get the same ability as the other 2 realms (Sb/Ns) but at a much higher cost..

For some reason the words "More Spec Points" keeps popping into my brain, maybe sombody could explain this for me?

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

Now a 5 sec stun instead of 9sec? so loose almost 50% but its only few seconds so they now get the same ability as the other 2 realms (Sb/Ns) but at a much higher cost.. alb level 50 spec hib/mid level 25ish? Now that is a nurf and as i said before.. all classes that get nurfed get a single line respec the ones that get love have to get a stone to change to the FotM line.

Did you whine when left axe got a nurf and Zerks/Sb's got a singleline respec? cause i'm pritty sure they did get one.

As for applying common sense before replying.. maybe put some in the first post and then you wouldnt get QQ replys

This is exactly what I did wanna say. Btw now that mids/hibs cried out this nerf they will continue with "nerf 2.5x" for sure...

 

[Asharith]

Poison Spike
DoT on Armor
DoT on Guard of Valor
Golden Spear level 10 charge
Lifebane on Weapons
Lifebane on Xbows

Wil this all work with the new Viper >?>?> YES PLZ !

 

[Speeedy]

For some reason the words "More Spec Points" keeps popping into my brain, maybe sombody could explain this for me?

Not relevant to this topic.. but anyway as you dont seem to know.... it was given to infs to help bring them inline with SBs who at the time could PA with 2h weapon had higher hp, think there is another reason also.. maybe lower weapon skill? not sure :<

Such a old argument "oh what about 2.5 spec points" but if you take away the 9sec stun and just have 5sec i think its more than valid now than ever before to have 2.5 as most inf's will need it

 

[xxManiacxx]

Now a 5 sec stun instead of 9sec? so loose almost 50% but its only few seconds so they now get the same ability as the other 2 realms (Sb/Ns) but at a much higher cost.. alb level 50 spec hib/mid level 25ish? Now that is a nurf and as i said before.. all classes that get nurfed get a single line respec the ones that get love have to get a stone to change to the FotM line.

SB´s have their stun at 39LA second in chain.... Fair against NS and infil who has off of evade? no. And infils can afford specc 50 weap without sacrificing anything.

Although I think that NS´es are getting screwed most in Mythics recent ideas.

 

[TeaSpoon]

A few fucking seconds off a stun style and they recieve a single line respec? Fuck off. A lot of classes have had worse nerfs and recieved no respec at all... fair? no

Just like Armsmen tyvm.

I can think of a hundred uses an infil could find for envenoming crossbows...

Can think of a good use for it too....

Have faith in the counter whine, they might not be finished with the crazy game editing yet

 

[xxManiacxx]

Not relevant to this topic.. but anyway as you dont seem to know.... it was given to infs to help bring them inline with SBs who at the time could PA with 2h weapon had higher hp, think there is another reason also.. maybe lower weapon skill? not sure :<

Such a old argument "oh what about 2.5 spec points" but if you take away the 9sec stun and just have 5sec i think its more than valid now than ever before to have 2.5 as most inf's will need it

I am soooo tired of reading about our UBER 2H. You can have it! You can have our 5% extra hp aswell. With ToA cap bonuses 5% is nothing. Give us 2.5 specc pts instead or even better, fix LA mechanics so we don´t HAVE to specc high LA.

If they fix so that SB´s can use 2H weapons without large penaltys I can see more ppl starting to use it. As it is now it´s only usable when ppl are trying to run away and u have a nice ragnarok style (need 50sword so will be gimped in another line) to use.

 

[katt!]

A few fucking seconds off a stun style and they recieve a single line respec? Fuck off. A lot of classes have had worse nerfs and recieved no respec at all... fair? But no, 90% of DAoC players are whining little kids with an infil and the buffbot their daddy bought them, so Mythic is "persuaded" - that and the fact that albion, from day one, was Mythic's lovechild... people telling me to QQ could perhaps read the fucking post and apply common sense before replying

Sigurd QQs more, still noone cares

 

[Glorien]

The only reason DF was changed was because of the constant whine by other realms...

So dont bitch about infils whining to get a respec..

 

[emma]

Actually you`ll find SB`s stun off evade style is the dearest of the 3 to get.

Not only do we have to spec our main weaponline to 40+, but we then have to spec LA to 39 for Frosty Gaze our stun style.

1274 Spec points for Dragonfang or
1598 Spec points for 40 Sword/Axe, 39 LeftAxe or
2053 Spec points for 50 Sword/Axe, 39 LeftAxe.

So dont go bitching about it not being fair that NS get a 5s stun off evade @ 25 Spec and yours is at 50 Spec. SB`s have had to spend upto 60% more spec spec points than Infils to get there stun style.

You should be glad you still have it cheap compaired to SB`s.

 

[emma]

Not relevant to this topic.. but anyway as you dont seem to know.... it was given to infs to help bring them inline with SBs who at the time could PA with 2h weapon had higher hp, think there is another reason also.. maybe lower weapon skill? not sure :<

Such a old argument "oh what about 2.5 spec points" but if you take away the 9sec stun and just have 5sec i think its more than valid now than ever before to have 2.5 as most inf's will need it

Yes and "AT THE TIME" 2H actually did more than tickle people. Now its just a waste of time, unless your.

rr5+
Have 50 Weaponspec
SC Gear
ToA Items
10%+ Melee Speed
20% Aug Healer Haste
And your using a Heat LW 2h Weapon.

Even then if you miss PA on a some high RR infil/NS with ToA items your f**ked.