incapacity benefits

[Zenith]

Wooops, need to read the whole post before posting

 

[rynnor]

One thing they really ought to do is to drop incapacity benefit to the level of jobseekers allowance - this would stop a lot of the bogus claimants and theres no real reason why it should be higher?

 

[tris-]

good point. my guess is the extra is to help them improve their quality of life somehow.
compared to an able bodied person, it could be said that a disabled person could not enjoy life in the same way. the extra bit of cash may be to compensate for that.

 

[rynnor]

good point. my guess is the extra is to help them improve their quality of life somehow.
compared to an able bodied person, it could be said that a disabled person could not enjoy life in the same way. the extra bit of cash may be to compensate for that.

These people arent disabled tho - just unable to work - theres a whole other set of benefits for the disabled.

 

[00dave]

glad i dont come here much, with sh*ts on a stick like the poster, no wonder !


i love some one who posts with a resonable, balanced approach to a subject, makes me wanna post a balanced response. ah sod it, dave is a t*t ! ( no idea if this is a general thing, or just this thread, but defo a young tory)

Nice to see somebody contributing towards the thread topic as per usual.

We were discussing the problems caused by depression, yes my view might have been a bit narrow but Nath and Jup put me straight, I learned something in the process, now we move on. That's kind of how discussions work. Perhaps you should go back to OT and talk about your usual rubbish.

And keep your insults to yourself moron.

 

[tris-]

These people arent disabled tho - just unable to work - theres a whole other set of benefits for the disabled.

maybe ive misunderstood. i thought you were questioning why incapacity benefit is higher than job seekers.

 

[MYstIC G]

And keep your insults to yourself moron.

Irony?

Back on topic now both of you.

 

[rynnor]

maybe ive misunderstood. i thought you were questioning why incapacity benefit is higher than job seekers.

Yes but then you started talking about them being disabled which isnt true - surely people who are genuinely looking for work (generally temporarily) should get as much or more than those who are likely long term unemployed through incapability otherwise your turning it into a reward for convincing your doctor to sign a form?

 

[tris-]

If you cannot work because of illness or disability which started before 27 October 2008, you may be able to get Incapacity Benefit

incapacity benefit is for disabled people as well as people who are too ill to work.
im saying that they may get more money due to their quality of life perhaps being lower than someone who isnt ill or disabled.

 

[rynnor]

incapacity benefit is for disabled people as well as people who are too ill to work.
im saying that they may get more money due to their quality of life perhaps being lower than someone who isnt ill or disabled.

If you can pass the much more stringent tests for disability you can get a lot more - the problem with incapacity benefit is that anyone with nouse can hassle their doctor into signing them off on the grounds of back problems or depression neither of which can really be disproved easily.

 

[DaGaffer]

If you can pass the much more stringent tests for disability you can get a lot more - the problem with incapacity benefit is that anyone with nouse can hassle their doctor into signing them off on the grounds of back problems or depression neither of which can really be disproved easily.

"Back Problems" is a giant red flag for benefit fraud investigators, getting spotted carrying the shopping to your car and its game over. Depression is far more tricky for them.

 

[TdC]

"Back Problems" is a giant red flag for benefit fraud investigators, getting spotted carrying the shopping to your car and its game over. Depression is far more tricky for them.

surely you could claim "intermittent" back problems. or lie on the ground screaming for five minutes after putting the groceries in the car?

 

[tris-]

surely you could claim "intermittent" back problems. or lie on the ground screaming for five minutes after putting the groceries in the car?

looks like someone has cheated our government before

 

[TdC]

the UK government does FA for me I assure you, and also does it's best to cheat my mum out of her widow's pension every year again.

 

[Zenith]

I dont really have a problem with *quite* high incapacity benefits. Surely the problem does not lie in how high it is, rather than how the goverment find out whos due to have the benefit and who should not. I dont know how it works out in the UK, but I know in Sweden we have had a huge amount of lazy people enjoying benefits the last few years. The Goverment ought to really get a GOOD system up for that. How, Im not quite sure.

 

[Chilly]

n fact to some extent it was the out and about that triggered my own condition about 5 years ago....

mid life crisis. buy a mini or something...

 

[Embattle]

It has a purpose like most these benefits but they have become more open to abuse, naturally with that comes the media hype.

 

[00dave]

Irony?

Back on topic now both of you.

not really he called me a tit and I called him a moron, now we're even.

Its my topic I'll derail it if I want :lol: joking

What I fail to understand is how you genuine claimers find it so difficult to claim, they often complain of having to jump through hoops to get through the system, whereas the cheats seem to sail through it without problem.

 

[Embattle]

Getting onto the system is harder than staying in it, they've naturally made it even harder to get onto it but the problem remains of removing people.

 

[rynnor]

Getting onto the system is harder than staying in it, they've naturally made it even harder to get onto it but the problem remains of removing people.

Thats very true but the current government is too scared to try and remove people from incapacity benefit seeing as theres so many of them.

All the crackdowns they talk about are on new claimants only.

 

[ramathorn]

My mum has been very ill for the past six years or so (chronic bladder cystitis) - basically the internal lining of her bladder is completely gone. She's in severe pain constantly, cant walk, cant sleep, spends a lot of time feeling like she needs to go the toilet when she doesnt. Basically an extremely uncomfortable and terribly painful life. She's been in for countless exploratory procedures and operations but up until now nothing has helped. The consultant she dealt with in the hospital has talked to her and spent time with her out of hours (at no charge, such an awesome guy) to try and help her.

She's on incapacity benefits and from talking to her it comes in three different levels, depending on severity, the higher your level the more income you receive. Some dick head sitting in an office has deemed she should be at the bottom of this scale. She and my dad have phoned to enquire why and was informed that because she worked past the age of 40 (actually worked to the age of 54 before this condition set in) she is not entitled to anything but what she is on. If she could get the next level up I think she would be able to get a car which would make her life easier no end as she cant go do her own shopping or out to see family on her own.

There are people I know off living in her area who have absolutely nothing wrong with them, have never worked in their lives and are probably doing the double who are living in relative luxury. The system is completely FUBAR

 

[chipper]

BBC NEWS | England | South Yorkshire | Disability cheat was club bouncer


think this is the sort of scum we are talking about.

i read this story and i was frankly shocked not simply at what he had done, but the fact it made no mention that he would have to repay the amount he conned out of the tax payer. these assholes should be made to do community service for minimum wage till they have paid back what they stole makes me so god damn angry.

my mum is disabled can barely walk anymore due to scar tissue pulling on some nerves at the base of her spine. the shit she had to go through to get benefits before she reached retirement age was ridiculous, how much more fucking proof do you need than 2 medical reports from her own gp and a independant consultant. but no she had countless forms to fill and tests taken and even after all that they tried makin her get a deskjob which would have been agony for her. not to mention shes been in catering all her life and had 0 experience of desk work. the system is a fucking disgrace and i actually have no qualms about grassin up these bastards.

 

[00dave]

Didn't they have a poll not long ago asking people whether they would grass up the benefit cheats and most people said they wouldn't? It's still seem as a bit taboo by some people.

 

[Ch3tan]

she is not entitled to anything but what she is on. If she could get the next level up I think she would be able to get a car which would make her life easier no end as she cant go do her own shopping or out to see family on her own.

I know an 18 year old who needs kidney dialysis every two days or so, he was given a car ( a bloody nice one as well) and will get a new one every 3 years for free. It seems bizarre that an older person is deemed less eligible to receive something that will improve their mobility.