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Sar
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Don't care, get it free anyway.
That said I'd get it for £12 either way - Game/EB reward card y'see
But even at £24 per year, that's only £2 per month. Feckin cheap. Damn sight cheaper than BY anyways
That said I'd get it for £12 either way - Game/EB reward card y'see
But even at £24 per year, that's only £2 per month. Feckin cheap. Damn sight cheaper than BY anyways
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THARS A DOOR WIV SUM LITE AND TEH GUY LOOK C00L!!121
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Sar
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Heh, looks seedy to me
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Daffeh
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yeah i only have to pay £12 too
hopefully this will mean better games on the pub servers....or will they just be abandoned as people wont pay?
hopefully this will mean better games on the pub servers....or will they just be abandoned as people wont pay?
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Okay, then.
Personally I'll probably not subscribe until I see some more DoD servers and some sort of goddamn active community in BarrysWorld. Just stuff going on in a well-organised and publicised way.
It seems that BW have been 'ticking over' for a long time now. Seems like they've been keeping things going rather than getting out there with the developers.
How is this supposed to work? Are we paying to maintain the current service, or are we paying so they can enhance the service?
I've just got in. We'll discuss this properly later.
Personally I'll probably not subscribe until I see some more DoD servers and some sort of goddamn active community in BarrysWorld. Just stuff going on in a well-organised and publicised way.
It seems that BW have been 'ticking over' for a long time now. Seems like they've been keeping things going rather than getting out there with the developers.
How is this supposed to work? Are we paying to maintain the current service, or are we paying so they can enhance the service?
I've just got in. We'll discuss this properly later.
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Sar
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Summo
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Very quick, Sar.
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Sar
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It's easy when it's virtually handed to you on a plate
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only a year later than originally planned - but there you go...
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btw - i wonder what l33t description i have
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btw - i wonder what l33t description i have
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cro
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Moderator? Really? cool...
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3 cheers for the moderator!
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The servers will become around 50-70% less populated, as the majority of players who have no clue about BW other than they are on the names of some servers cease being able to ping them. They will then move onto somewhere else they can ping, jolt/by/demon etc..
Of the rest who actually have some idea of what goes on, around 40-50% I would say, would subscribe to BW. Perhaps more as the cost is so low, but so many people would rather just go somewhere else than have to pay for something, however small the amount may be.
I think BW could of done this better, in some ways and that they have done it quite well in others. This way, they have seemed to be just ticking over, and not doing anything special, not branching out anywhere, cutting down on some servers in places etc, making BW not seem as good as it once did perhaps ?
Now they are asking for money, its kind of a "if you want improvements youll have to pay for them" situation...
Certainly now I expect BW to improve greatly, the sub is finally upon us and they are now getting some revenue from BW. I now expect to see the lag problems on selective servers and most other problems trickle away quickly. I would also expect to see better adminning on the servers and faster response times in the admins IRC channel (politer responses wouldnt hurt either, only today I saw an admin reply to someone who wanted help, in his quit msg as he quit irc ignoring the guy, not on imo.). The admins effectively get paid now, and the majority of them (CS admins especially) dont do much to warrant their placement as admins. Only around 5 CS admins ever seem to respond to queries of players in IRC, and even then they arent always polite. If people are paying for a service and no admin responds, then something needs to be done to solve it, no more can the "we dont get paid" excuse be used, because admins do get free subs to BW for the "work" they are supposed to do. That is practically getting paid, and as people are paying BW for the service, admins should be top notch.
This also brings me to the issue of people being booted off subs and blacklisted over "cheating", at what point will someone be booted off, where is the line drawn? What proof is required to warrant someone being booted off the network? Is it the same level of "proof" as you need now to get a perm ban on someone ? I would be very worried if thats the case, as most of you know I was banned from BWCS last week, my protests at my innocence subsequently got me removed from adminship. The demo that "convicted" me, was so inconclusive it was quite shocking, I always thought my fellow BW admins had good judgement on cheating and such, but after being banned for that demo I have to question the ability of some of them?
Now I dont want to bring this whole thing up, I merely want to try and convey my fears about people being wrongfully removed from BW subs over "cheating", and how easy it is for admins to make mistakes, and then not make up for them. In my case I protested the lack of proof and my innocence constantly and my protest wasnt perceived very well by most, and I was removed as a result of my effort to proove my innocence. It would be a huge problem if things like this happen under P2P, and with the current admins atm, or the way people are thinking atm, I think it will happen again sometime, so I'm hoping BW has some sort of protection system to stop people being wrongfully removed.
This whole thing has made me dubious of signing up to BW subs at all, I mean I have allready been banned for nothing, it could easily happen again ? I dont fancy paying for a service only to be banned for no real reason
Thats about it atm as I have to go do some other things, I guess I'll add more to the conversation when more people post their views...
Once again dont take this post as a rant against my ban, its not, its just changed my views on BW and its p2p stuff, so I had to use it to help explain
Of the rest who actually have some idea of what goes on, around 40-50% I would say, would subscribe to BW. Perhaps more as the cost is so low, but so many people would rather just go somewhere else than have to pay for something, however small the amount may be.
I think BW could of done this better, in some ways and that they have done it quite well in others. This way, they have seemed to be just ticking over, and not doing anything special, not branching out anywhere, cutting down on some servers in places etc, making BW not seem as good as it once did perhaps ?
Now they are asking for money, its kind of a "if you want improvements youll have to pay for them" situation...
Certainly now I expect BW to improve greatly, the sub is finally upon us and they are now getting some revenue from BW. I now expect to see the lag problems on selective servers and most other problems trickle away quickly. I would also expect to see better adminning on the servers and faster response times in the admins IRC channel (politer responses wouldnt hurt either, only today I saw an admin reply to someone who wanted help, in his quit msg as he quit irc ignoring the guy, not on imo.). The admins effectively get paid now, and the majority of them (CS admins especially) dont do much to warrant their placement as admins. Only around 5 CS admins ever seem to respond to queries of players in IRC, and even then they arent always polite. If people are paying for a service and no admin responds, then something needs to be done to solve it, no more can the "we dont get paid" excuse be used, because admins do get free subs to BW for the "work" they are supposed to do. That is practically getting paid, and as people are paying BW for the service, admins should be top notch.
This also brings me to the issue of people being booted off subs and blacklisted over "cheating", at what point will someone be booted off, where is the line drawn? What proof is required to warrant someone being booted off the network? Is it the same level of "proof" as you need now to get a perm ban on someone ? I would be very worried if thats the case, as most of you know I was banned from BWCS last week, my protests at my innocence subsequently got me removed from adminship. The demo that "convicted" me, was so inconclusive it was quite shocking, I always thought my fellow BW admins had good judgement on cheating and such, but after being banned for that demo I have to question the ability of some of them?
Now I dont want to bring this whole thing up, I merely want to try and convey my fears about people being wrongfully removed from BW subs over "cheating", and how easy it is for admins to make mistakes, and then not make up for them. In my case I protested the lack of proof and my innocence constantly and my protest wasnt perceived very well by most, and I was removed as a result of my effort to proove my innocence. It would be a huge problem if things like this happen under P2P, and with the current admins atm, or the way people are thinking atm, I think it will happen again sometime, so I'm hoping BW has some sort of protection system to stop people being wrongfully removed.
This whole thing has made me dubious of signing up to BW subs at all, I mean I have allready been banned for nothing, it could easily happen again ? I dont fancy paying for a service only to be banned for no real reason
Thats about it atm as I have to go do some other things, I guess I'll add more to the conversation when more people post their views...
Once again dont take this post as a rant against my ban, its not, its just changed my views on BW and its p2p stuff, so I had to use it to help explain
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You dont evn use the BWDoD Servers
Ive looked and looked but not seen What does this mean anyway? You can have full access to servers?
Heh, and like that Piccy
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When do the various services become unavailable for non-subscribers?
I need to get a job to subscribe, but how long i have i got?
The main concern for me, is player numbers. I would happily pay that amount(if i had a job) to play on good servers, however if there aren't going to be lots of other players, then there isn't any point.
Less played mods like Q3F are just going to die on BW, since they're struggling for players as it is(proberbly due to the fact that Beta2 of Q3F is totally wank).
I need to get a job to subscribe, but how long i have i got?
The main concern for me, is player numbers. I would happily pay that amount(if i had a job
) to play on good servers, however if there aren't going to be lots of other players, then there isn't any point.Less played mods like Q3F are just going to die on BW, since they're struggling for players as it is(proberbly due to the fact that Beta2 of Q3F is totally wank).
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You need a job to support 50p a week? :|
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Is this going to be made into a "sticky" for easy reference??
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So BarrysWorld are going pay...
/me deletes all BarrysWorld servers from Gamespy 3D, and suspects a lot more will too
Surely some of the public servers could have been left out of subscription, only the majority being sub.
/me deletes all BarrysWorld servers from Gamespy 3D, and suspects a lot more will too
Surely some of the public servers could have been left out of subscription, only the majority being sub.
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Sar
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Moaning freeloaders out already.
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Most games will die on BW when they restrict server access, only the top games such as Q3/CS/RtCW/UT and some others would retain a "decent" popularity, I'm somewhat dubious about the popularity of even those tho, the servers will be far more empty, and not as many will be needed.
With less servers needed, and the subsequent decrease in bandwith usage, the cost for running BW should come down, along with the revenue from P2P coming in (however small it will be), they should make a lot more of a financial gain from P2P than youd think...
This of course would deem it a sucess from a business pov and keep the bw/game peeps happy, as they are doing fine, but the community will end up mostly crumbling around them....
Its sad to see that so many smaller games will completely be wiped out from their existence on BW due to P2P and a subsequent lack of players, even CS/Q3 will suffer... They will have a much lower playerbase, which will have a spiral effect...
If BW dont attract enough "groups" of people initially in P2P, it will be very hard for them to attract them at all, unless their service increases to the point of being "the best" service available, it will be very hard to attract groups of people.
For example, I know many people online and enjoy playing with them loads on the BWCS servers, I'm probably the only one out of most of them who would want to sign up, they simply dont have the incentive to do so, and without them I wont enjoy playing here as much. My point is, attracting groups to p2p is the key to sucess, if you cant attract groups it wont ever be as good as it could...
How many of you would still want to pay for BW's services if none of your mates signed up? I expect most of you would, because your all part of the BW community anyway, but think of the others who arent regular forum goers, or whatever, they will only sign up together, rather than individually...
With less servers needed, and the subsequent decrease in bandwith usage, the cost for running BW should come down, along with the revenue from P2P coming in (however small it will be), they should make a lot more of a financial gain from P2P than youd think...
This of course would deem it a sucess from a business pov and keep the bw/game peeps happy, as they are doing fine, but the community will end up mostly crumbling around them....
Its sad to see that so many smaller games will completely be wiped out from their existence on BW due to P2P and a subsequent lack of players, even CS/Q3 will suffer... They will have a much lower playerbase, which will have a spiral effect...
If BW dont attract enough "groups" of people initially in P2P, it will be very hard for them to attract them at all, unless their service increases to the point of being "the best" service available, it will be very hard to attract groups of people.
For example, I know many people online and enjoy playing with them loads on the BWCS servers, I'm probably the only one out of most of them who would want to sign up, they simply dont have the incentive to do so, and without them I wont enjoy playing here as much. My point is, attracting groups to p2p is the key to sucess, if you cant attract groups it wont ever be as good as it could...
How many of you would still want to pay for BW's services if none of your mates signed up? I expect most of you would, because your all part of the BW community anyway, but think of the others who arent regular forum goers, or whatever, they will only sign up together, rather than individually...
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Follow the signs until you reach the door with Fuck Off free loaders on it
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Skyler
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Originally posted by Sar
Moaning freeloaders out already.
Not all people who dont subscribe are freeloaders, if someone else offers a better service for "free" where would you go ?
(note: I'm not saying anything about other people being better than BW, but some people may be of that opinion)
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As a whole package I don't think many other places do, individual parts then maybe.
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In theory I support the idea of p2p, however, the only BW servers I actually use are the AQ2 ones, I'm loath to pay for a year (yes, I can afford it, that's not a problem) but I don't want to pay and then not be able to use the account 'cause no one else pays.
Bah
Bah
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yeah i was thinking whats gonna happen to the less populated games/mods. Started a thread in the AN forum just to see what the player base is likely to be in a month or so's time
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I personally reckon this will be the final nail in the BW AQ2 coffin
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Daffeh
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i fear the same
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S-Gray
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Hmm.. it will also mean that some of the n00bies will go away.. meaning no more Easy kills...
On a plus side.. it will keep Cheaters away, and young kids (unless they have a daddy who pays for everything)
Im gonna have to rustle up some money tho.. i only have like £20 in my Wallet, and about £60 in the bank..
On a plus side.. it will keep Cheaters away, and young kids (unless they have a daddy who pays for everything)
Im gonna have to rustle up some money tho.. i only have like £20 in my Wallet, and about £60 in the bank..
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I paid because I find the web hosting useful and the other things are extras...plus at £24 for the whole year I'm not going to moan.
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