I'm sick of charging the relic

[Sarnat]

Also having more than 3 rams per door might help. Couple times I've been on a raid that would have been successful if we'd had more rams.

Also, need to attack at more quiet hours to avoid detection. Detection is what matters. If no one sees us before we hit Sausage, the raid will have a high chance of succeeding.

It would be great if someone could organize ram teams and 'move routes to RK' and such fancy stuff but the fact is that it's nearly impossible to organize.

 

[_tindel_]

Originally posted by kr0n
Making the enemy poor ayeh ;<~~... I pity you. Cant even fight fair! At least we dont fight at all!

haha thats a beauty ;D

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by kr0n
Mebbe albs should just every evening go to empty relic keeps and bash down all 4 doors just for fun so youd have to repair em every night before youd get the relics back? How would ya like that huh?

Sounds like deja vú to me. 'cept it was albs _and_ hibs who bashed our doors for a week (or more) 'twas before all this madness with the relics being in totally wrong places all the time. (i mean it was when all 6 were safely locked up in grallar and mjollnir where they belong).
But we know the feeling and it aint funny, thats why we wanna do it to albs ofcourse =)

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Albion has enuff rich gits it seems to pay for it I'll just take my free RPs whenever you come by Excal

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by vidx
I think I'm gonna go walkies in the Pennines some day, nothing to lose not that I'm 50.

I think i will go with you, i've heard that there are albs xping in their frontier now

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by old.Tbird

Hmmm

Malm - Vanern - Myrkwood (on foot)
Myrkwood - Gotar - E.Svealan - W.Svealand (on horse)

6 Zones I mean *cough*, but more on foot than you

if you go trough Vanern Swamp to get from Malmohus to Gna Faste, you probably need new maps.

and if you are going to Mjollnir, you can insert Vale of Mularn in the last chain (but if not, you have to remove E. Svealand), also going to E.Svealand and then to W. Svealand seems like a waste to me also.

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Originally posted by Cavex ElSaviour

stay on your horse to sauvage, and take a ride to snowdonia .

edit : was implying time here how bloody long would it take to get from Lyon to Snowdonia timewise... i know how one can get there allright

Btw u do know its possible to bind while you are on your horse, do you?

edit : Yes in Albion you can since you pass quite close to bindpoints in Mid its impossible i think.

 

[VidX]

Originally posted by old.Blood|Prydwen


I think i will go with you, i've heard that there are albs xping in their frontier now

*shock*

Really? Wow!

That's all the server myths gone now then. First there was the 'Hibs: Do they really exist?' story, not the 'Do Albs even know there are mobs to XP on in there frontier?' question has been answered

/em heads to camp Sauvage.

I stun, you fill them with arrows Blood?

 

[old.Enigma]

Originally posted by krill-nyd
Solid, I kind of agree but people also need to acknowledge the work that is done. I've spent literally hours and hours in alliance meetings and command group cg's and I'm not a raid leader or can even make lots of raids: the raid leaders must spend loads of time doing this. So while I agree, it's nice to note that some people are really trying and putting in lots of work but it's not easy. I once put an email list together for the alliance to try and help communicate. ... that was fun I can tell you.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not flaming back. If there are guilds out of the loop then they need to be brought in, it's a serious problem, I agree entirely. Thereis an alliance forum as well (not the stratics one it's moved) and I see hardly anyone there. If we knew all guilds would check it we coudl post times there, discuss plans in advance etc.

I hate seeing the flaming in as that happened after the raid: both from those criticising and those defending their work. Much nicer to see Shabish calling people out to Albionland because it's fun.

I have plenty of ideas and I always give them. I am not writing them here and will continue to give them. There not anything complicated or new. In fact lots of people suggest the same thing which is the real issueand why I'm posting.

I have a right to give my feelings and opinions and you will not and cannot silence me when we have leaders who will not do as the realm asks of them but expects the realm to do what they ask. We are not a dictatorship and so having this 1 strategy really annoys me its pathetic.

It was nice seeing, after Durgi quit leading raids, Shabish running a SIEGE (as someone called it a few nights back) and Azal acting as tactical advisor for the strategies that the force wanted to try.

When Azal left a few others took over the role naturally.
This bred new ideas on things to time try next time etc. Those albs will not enjoy spending there time wondering if were taking all the keeps or one of them before we attack.

I want raid leaders to be more like Shabish and Blej who are then backed up by tactical advice from ppl like Azal.

I'm going to explain this a bit further. Take this as Constructive from my opinion all.
Blej, Shabish call them raid leaders. This is not the big I am, these are ppl who organise the force and can convert instructions to action. They also know there way around the map.
I would include Durgi but he wants to do Tactical advice as well and they dont really mix. I believe he is best suited to just the organising. I think Durgi announcing he has quit leading raids was probably a good idea. We need to let other people blossom and I think AS and cg,s got to a point where people couldn't say anything as certain people shot them down to quick.

Azal is not really best as an organiser but GREAT when left to act as Tactical Advisor. There are other people I have seen like this.
I'm not going to name. Its good to have a few tactical advisors in CG which suggest reactions to situations which the group decides. I think Tactical advisors dont have to be chosen they grow naturally

I want a variety of tactics to keep the albs/hibs thinking and I want leaders, who dont think they know best but do know how to get the best from people. We haven't got this at the moment.
I want realmsman to start encouraging more people to lead raids and give advice so we can hold a 24 hr * 7day a week seige in Alb. For then we will cost them money, make them bored and win the day. Guess what, after doing that, the charge the relic tactic may jhave more chance of working.

 

[old.Enigma]

Originally posted by Solid
Ottar cos too many peeps ahead of me in the pecking order of "I wanna play Leader", the old saying "too many cooks...." springs to mind, and I am not about to fall into the "He who shouts loudest" pitfall, it helps noone

I got plenty of ideas on tactics and strategies, many may be invalid, many may be gems, but the shouters rarely take time to listen so I am resigned to keep my trap shut, esp with the short notice raids that have happened in the past few weeks

Solid I hadnt read this before my last post but Nail, Hammer, Bang. If I hear you shout I will be there. Don't shout too loud though. I don't know if your a Tactical Advisor or organiser yet but hey only one way to find out.

 

[old.Enigma]

Originally posted by Jupitus


<deciphers coded Middie spelling>

Actually, the brains are still here (and clearly not in Midgard, as we all can tell)... how will you prevent an immmediate retake of any relics you try to take if your doors are smashed in? Bashing in your relic doors would mean either:

a) You have to repair them before any serious relic raid - we simply commit one stealther to checking them, easily done... or

b) You don't repair them before a raid and we waltz back in and take any obtained relics back easily....

Doesn't matter much anyway - we have plenty of cash

Thats what I like to hear keep sending out the fatted sheep. Your rubbish at deciphering btw. How many people will you get for this raid whilst we live in Albion 24*7 hmmmm. Doh!

Obviously the brains are not in Albion. If you attack you best attack both sets of multi uber guards at both relic keeps. We will just take whichever relics we like while your doing it. You really believe you have a good plan please I insist you go do it. We need more people like you in Alb. Make our life much easier.

 

[Jupitus]

Read it all together and in context - my response was to old.Khain saying you wouldn't repair the doors if we did bash them in... now that simply isn't very smart if you plan to take the relics back... much wiser to have somewhere safe to put them, don't you think?

 

[old.Enigma]

I did read it. You cant bash the doors if were camped in alb Saying is one thing doing it is another. Please go try. Soon as you start we are clear to take relics. We will have relics for the doors you havent bashed. Personally I dont think you will have got any down so nice safe doors will be ready on our return.

 

[kr0n]

Originally posted by Rudor


Hahaha cant even fight fair and that you said that attack relic when 90% of mids sleep mebbe that is a fair fight for you..

If you had those infamous brains, youd read my whole line of text.

Lets read again what I said.

Originally posted by kr0n
Making the enemy poor ayeh ;<~~... I pity you. Cant even fight fair! At least we dont fight at all!

At least we dont fight at all... See my point there? Dimwit.

 

[Rudor]

Yes i see your ponit but why talk about fair fight at all .

 

[Solid]

Enigma u must be in cookoo land if u think albs cant defend the relic and go bash on our doors. The have the levels and numbers to do this, hell they could go bash both relic keepm doors and have defenders in both their own relics and still beat us (in prime time this is)

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Just thought to agree with Solid, relic keep defense requires maybe a 1/3 of force the rest can do what they like with the Relic keep in Mid If things go sour they suicide and return at quick notice

 

[old.Enigma]

h'mm maybe I'm cuckoo but we have more guards now. So lets take thsi to its full extent. We will send all the Mids to albland you send 2/3 to mid and lets see what happens. I dont think its feasible.

A) Albs can't get enough people together to go bash doors
B) The fact that Midgard is going to camp Alb they will want rp from Albion

etc etc. Solid I know they have the numbers but so do we for th right situation. The force of 30 that twice bashed the outer door and got inner down to 60% would have had the STR relics already if we succeeded in motivating enough ppl to join. These are all words. Let the albs come bash if they do they are very dedicated. I dont see it happening this time around

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Mkay by saying we Albs usually outnumber Mid 3/1 will i be heavily exaggerating ?

 

[old.Enigma]

Geez stop digging yourself a whole Ivan. You have solid saying we have no chance coz we are outnumbered therefore can only do early raids to succeed. Then you say you outnumber us 3 to 1 and agree you can batter bothh keeps and defend at the same time. So when you lose them basically you only have yourself to blame.

BTW This going OT and I share my part of the blame

 

[Jupitus]

I think the whole numbers debate could go on for ages... the main thing as far as I can see is that in Midgard you seem to have some trouble motiviating some of your players, or communicating between different alliances, whereas in Albion we seem to have a more willing population ready to get out there and defend or attack.... I'm taking that from my knowledge of Albion, and some of the current topics on Midgard, not just guesswork. The actual stats from XML show a slightly lower Midgard population than Albion, but with a higher number of level 50s....

Ah well... what was the topic anyway? I'll shut up now

Jup.

 

[bonna]

Our long time planed raids, are allways leeked to the albs.. so we dont have much choice m8. The one hour preplanning is to protech against spies
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well u say that about u , and sometimes its true , but we all ways find out how/why. normaly its just our silly selfs saying something to someone who just swap realms ....
anyway ..... all the relic raids that u have done , that i have defended ... his how it starts.....
alb> hey i heard mids are on a relic raid, that true.
me>really? first i heard, ill ask about.
me> /as hey guys , ive been told mids are raiding , any 1 in HW or @ excali.
alb /as im in pennies atm , ill look
alb /as im @ exclia all clear here
me /as ok keep ur eyes open
alb> one of my guild guys died near beno , says theres 80 mids passing the xroads.
me> ok just getting a report.
alb /as MIDS INC! , heading to surs area, about 80-100!!
alb /as OK ALL MUSTA @SAUVAGE THEN TO EXCLIA ASAP!
alb /as watch out of sb on exclia road
alb /as ill follow the mids till they see me, passing berk now
alb /as let other allainces know
alb /as already doing
at this point . a bit of spam from all guilds for some info etc.. and floods of alb go to sauvage, depend on how many are counted to how many albs u get , the more u have the more we ask to come. so u can plan ur raids .. we never know till ur in HW
just we thx our crafters @ beno ( or going to beno)
also most lvl 50 bind to the nearest bindstone to PK for porting or defending

 

[old.Vae]

Aye almost that situation occurred tonight with your latest raid. I was grouped with some people from another alliance who had a guildie in HW who spotted some Mids going in and out of PK. Word spread from there that there might be a raid on and several people went to HW to investigate. My group killed a couple of stealthers and Narve near MMG then got flattened by the 50 Mids coming through it. At that point the proper alarm went out to every alliance and we had troops who had already been put on alert all turn up to defend.

This is the typical way we find out about a relic raid not via any kind of spies saying "oh btw Mids will be relic raiding soon".

 

[Ottar]

> This is the typical way we find out about a relic raid not
> via any kind of spies

And to all you midgard conspiracy theorists - the statement above sounds very likely to be the purest truth. They may have spies. They certainly don't need them to repel our raids as we are doing them.

Now, in this thread many albs have been posting about how their defences work. Maybe, just maybe we could ponder a bit how to bypass them or at least make it a bit likelier we actually get a relic any time soon?

Twice now have I been told by people doing the leading that relic raids are primarily fun.

Ok, I freely admit that there may be individuals out there who somehow see what they are doing there as fun. I think I can expect similar courtesy in return. They should know that there are people for whom gathering a large herd of people at pk, then lagging through Pennines in a huge column, then ramming on a door a bit and dieing, all without slimmest chance of actually getting the relic.. again and again and again.. there ARE people who somehow just fail to qualify this as orgastic experience. I strongly suspect these people are actually majority. Historically, people who enjoy playing russian roulette with all six chambers loaded fail to contribute to the genetic pool so there can't be that many can there?

I find two things very wrong with this "relics for fun" philosophy.

1. If fun is primary goal, then indeed, getting the relics is not only secondary, its bloody irrelevant. Better if we won't get any - we have apparent cause to go raid again tomorrow. As to actually putting an effort to do it so that the raids succeeds in getting a relic, if the way the raid should be done is less fun, then of course, the fun way would be better.

2. Doing the "fun" raids will alienate people who dont find such raids to be fun. You say not enough people are showing up. Do this 10 more times and see how many turn up then.

So, how about defining the goal as "getting a relic" for a change? Then try to find ways of doing it.

Ottar

 

[listepik]

regarding spies:

Personally, i've never heard anyone say hi, im a spy, mids attackin in 20 mins.

if someone said that, i would not believe him, because if he is a spy, he's a plunker, and therefore not reliable. if he is not a spy, well, go figure..


To be a successful spy, you would have to be known as such.

If you got known as such, im 100% sure someone would get screenshots chatlogs and everything else, and get him banned to hell and back.

Im alos 100% sure this is the case in hibernia and Midgard.

Spies in IRC is another thing...

one guy saying hm, think we're attacking you soon. might wanna go to the frontier.

one other guy knowing that this fella is trustworthy with his info (and vice versa) would go check, and then appear legit in his /as INCOMMING



The spies i figure is a problem, is not the double accounters. its one from each realm communicating on IRC/ICQ/telephone, etc

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<Gideon said>
>> Albion has enuff rich gits it seems to pay for it I'll just take my >> free RPs whenever you come by Excal

2 words:

PARP Auctions

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Originally posted by old.Enigma
Geez stop digging yourself a whole Ivan. You have solid saying we have no chance coz we are outnumbered therefore can only do early raids to succeed. Then you say you outnumber us 3 to 1 and agree you can batter bothh keeps and defend at the same time. So when you lose them basically you only have yourself to blame.

BTW This going OT and I share my part of the blame

Im sorry but i dont exactly understand how im digging myself a hole here Enigma ? And why should i start blaming myself if we loose the relics ? I simply stated a fact that we do have the numbers to divide to do both things at same time, i hope i didnt disclose some secret.

 

[old.Enigma]

Hey don't get me wrong. you keep on shouting albs outnumber us 3 to 1 Keep doing it. Who needs excuses when you have Ivan.

As to what you propose. Go do it. I'll fry my cat if I see it done. So run along Ivan. If your only talikng about numbers tehn why bother. Mids have enough numbers to do the same thing but we wouldnt get it done either. Excalibur have enough ppl to do it and go to hib as well at the same time, but they wont do it.

 

[Jupitus]

[sarcasm]

/asend Guys! Enigma says we must attack because we have more than them and its a challenge and stuff so lets all port to odins in 5 minutes time and do it because he says so!

[/sarcasm]

We'll just carry on raiding or defending or whatever how WE decide....

 

[Orin Askhammare]

Originally posted by old.Vae
... who had a guildie in HW who spotted some Mids going in and out of PK. ...

These people should be shot.

Also, I don't know how far yelling reaches, but there might be a chance that 10 people yelling "LFG" in the PK could get overheard by a stealther. Although I'm not 100% sure on this.

 

[Jexa]

Yell doesn't reach as far as vision as far as i know, so if they can hear you yell, they've probably already seen you ...

Not sure tho