I'm sick of charging the relic

[Wibbler2]

To get from Lyonesse to Sausage, you have to.

Walk from Lyonesse to Cornwall Farmers
Get a horse from Farmers, jump at Cornwall Station
Get a horse from Cornwall Station, jump at Avalon Marsh
Get a horse from Avalon Marsh
Only then can you go afk...

 

[Ottar]

> every swing a guard/Alb takes on a 30+ is one less on a 40+ damage dealer

Forget it. Your 30+ auxiliaries simply wont get aggro off 40+ tanks. The number of hits they would save the highcons from would be rather minimal. Knights and such are actually not that hard to tank, they are slow as hell to kill (relatively low damage, high hp). Archer and wizard damage, yes, they would save some. Still think those people could be better used in some other ways.

> sneaking a sizable force through aggro spots and avoiding Albs is
> virtually impossible.

No it isnt.

It is perfectly possible to get to Excalibur with one single agro spawn near the route and possibly 1 or 2 patrols. Avoiding albs is only an issue when there is any. Imagine us getting the force we had yesterday on the same spot at 6:00 CET on a tuesday morning. We get spotted by a scout? Ha!

Now, I seriously doubt any of you guys hate getting up earlier than absolutely necessary than I do. Nightowl is my middle name. Comparing this vs. continuous fruitless effort of chain-suiciding on relic keeps.. idea of using alamclock once suddenly looks not so bad at all.

If anyone comes up with a workable idea on how to do it in another way, I be the first to rejoice. Loop-charging on Excalibur until albs get so bored as to not bother to show up does not qualify. Hoping that just maybe, we wont be spotted as soon as we leave mpk in Hadrians ain’t working either.

> my SB is 40 I can do that for ya

Hmm.. how come you aint leading the main force with yer main then?

Ottar

 

[Solid]

Ottar cos too many peeps ahead of me in the pecking order of "I wanna play Leader", the old saying "too many cooks...." springs to mind, and I am not about to fall into the "He who shouts loudest" pitfall, it helps noone

I got plenty of ideas on tactics and strategies, many may be invalid, many may be gems, but the shouters rarely take time to listen so I am resigned to keep my trap shut, esp with the short notice raids that have happened in the past few weeks

 

[Azal]

2 possibly 3 raids have gone with short notice in the last 2 weeks Solid. If you weren't aware of the raids in advance then people in your guild haven't been spreading the word around when they were asked to. And everyone was specifically told to pass it onto relevant ppl within their guilds.

And anyone that thinks running through Penne with 50+ ppl /stick on you lagging to hell into every tree within a mile radius and not being able to see jack because of all the ppl stuck right behind you is easy feel free to try it sometime.

I can lead 2-3 grps through in 5 minutes flat without any aggro at all, but when you have lag from 50+ ppl all stuck to you and lagging like hell it's just not really feasable. Also normally we're pressed for time and the faster routes are the ones that mean taking some aggro.

The biggest problem with aggro spawns is all the ppl that are afk and die/don't react when someone gets aggro meaning more people die. If there wasn't afk people or people actually payed attention to what was happening aggro mobs wouldn't be a problem.

4-5 orange con mobs are exactly hard to kill with 8 ppl let alone 40+. Yet yesterday I purposely ran over a mountain knowing there was aggro there because we were moving away from the 20 albs that had spotted the tail enders of the party (who hadn't yet managed to use /follow depite being asked 20+ times in a 10 minute period to do so) and it took almost 10 seconds before literally anyone reacted to the aggro mobs hitting people.

 

[old.Khain]

Originally posted by Solid
Ottar cos too many peeps ahead of me in the pecking order of "I wanna play Leader", the old saying "too many cooks...." springs to mind, and I am not about to fall into the "He who shouts loudest" pitfall, it helps noone

I got plenty of ideas on tactics and strategies, many may be invalid, many may be gems, but the shouters rarely take time to listen so I am resigned to keep my trap shut, esp with the short notice raids that have happened in the past few weeks

I had just written a 1 page post to go in here, but i think solid said it better their without offending as many ppl. so i would just add thats 100% how I feel to.

Scary thats 2 guild GMs that both run guilds that are in top 10 feel this way.

But as long has the allance leader surround them selfs with the YES ppl then nothings going to change.

Thanks Solid you saved me a ton of typing

 

[old.Tbird]

OK you want a valid suggestion, try the one that a number of people have harped on about for weeks and has now appeared on the Excalibur news.

http://www.camelot-europe.com/news/newsarticle.php3?id_article=255

I'll quote

Raid coordinator Killgorde Wraithlord explains : "As you may or may not 'e aware the alliance [Cutting Edge -ed.] has been taking multiple Albion keeps for sometime, in the hope that eventually, it would be so common place that our enemies would relax ther guard".

Well, we all know how this tactic worked : Splendid ! After some time the Albions did indeed let down their guard, and the Midgardians could waltz right in and snatch the strengthening relic !

I really dont get it why we have people on /as saying dont take the keeps because it warns them you are coming. If you take keeps every day you will get a number of results

1) Albs will become immune to it and stop rushing to the frontiers (it happened to us why not them?)
2) RvR moves into Hadrians etc (which has to make a change from Emain) and our people actually get to know there way around (and as someone else said Albs die in their own frontier as much as we do)
3) If we are there and the Albs have to respond this will leave the Hibs the option of zerging a few people in Emain or joining us in Hadrians doubling the pressure on the Albs (this is NOT me saying co-operate btw)
4) Eventually just like the Excal Albs there will be a slip and a relic lost.

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Originally posted by old.Tbird

I've never played Alb but looking at your horse routes you at least 'appear' to have a horse to Cornwall close to Lyonesse, try getting a call when in a Malm group you have to cross better part of 3 zones before you even get to a horse

3 zones eh

Trip to Sausage From Lyon <wont even talk about Dartmoor> :

Run to Yarleys from Gobs as they are pretty much central.
Horse to Cornwall
Horse to Avalon
Horse to Camelot
Bind at PB
Run to Sausage

So zonewise we have :

Lyonesse --> Avalon Marsh --> Camp. Forest --> Salis Plains --> Camelot Hills.

There you go 5 zones, mainly on horse though.

If it were a trip from Dartmoor...... Do the running man for 1,5 zones then see Trip from Lyon <Yarleys>

How anyone would be able to get to Snowdonia at short notice i have no bloody clue

 

[Solid]

Azal point regarding all stickign to one person, imo a bad idea, tskes twice as logn to get anywhere, people die from adds and its 1fps.

I would much rather see 2 raid leadership groups at point and rear respectively. Also all grousp sticking leader and leaders stickign point is why u get ba lag, cos too many players concsntrate din one area, make a trail, you seen The 13th Warrior? when them Vendoe guys foem a snake trail that looks liek a fire serpant? THAT will work as long as you have a high level group at each end, the player models spread out over many many tiles, realtively little lag, clear line of sight.

Yes tihs absolutely requires people dont go afk, but its no worse than currently all stickign one person.

 

[Venemous]

...

Albs > If your in Lyon stay in Lyon, theres plenty of people in DF/Frontiers/Camelot etc that can pull together to stop the mids at excal.. Last relic attack I didnt even make it from Prydwen before the mids got wiped out.... grrr

 

[old.Tbird]

Originally posted by ivan_tribbiani
There you go 5 zones, mainly on horse though.

If it were a trip from Dartmoor...... Do the running man for 1,5 zones then see Trip from Lyon <Yarleys>

How anyone would be able to get to Snowdonia at short notice i have no bloody clue

Hmmm

Malm - Vanern - Myrkwood (on foot)
Myrkwood - Gotar - E.Svealan - W.Svealand (on horse)

6 Zones I mean *cough*, but more on foot than you

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Originally posted by old.Tbird

Hmmm

Malm - Vanern - Myrkwood (on foot)
Myrkwood - Gotar - E.Svealan - W.Svealand (on horse)

6 Zones I mean *cough*, but more on foot than you

Argh..... i got beat by one zone .... does anyone really xp in Malmo anymore though ? <after DF arrival >

 

[Azal]

Solid the problem is people always DO go afk, that's half the problem. Hell in my group alone someone has got stuck inside mpkh the last 2 times because they had been afk and only noticed when we were 5 minutes down the road.

Anyway some other ideas were thrown in the pan last night and we'll likely be trying a couple of them.


And to the person in the other alliance saying we ignored what you said, well we had Durgi relaying what you guys were saying to us and we followed that. If you have an issue that he wasn't relaying the right info you wanna bring that up with him, he was the one passing it onto all of us and we followed it.

 

[old.Tbird]

Originally posted by ivan_tribbiani
Argh..... i got beat by one zone .... does anyone really xp in Malmo anymore though ? <after DF arrival >

Most definitely, for all it's problems it is still the best most consistent exp there is.

 

[old.Revz]

People going AFK on /follow is utterly bent and I moan at our guild about it all the time. The person in charge can't afford to go AFK so at least do them the courtesy of remaining at your keyboard as well.

 

[Jupitus]

The people afk are all on their '2nd pc' chatting on IRC about JEXA TEH LEGZ...

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Yup some people treat the lead as a safe ride to action. No sweat - maximum gains

I think if you are on keep/relic raid then you at least can spend 5 minutes extra sitting comfortably in your gaming chair just to show some bloody dedication

The most annoying thing is that these people that get killed while AFK then start to moan why they were left behind and died... usually making someone come back to rezz <some cases that results in getting a lot of people killed as some still dont have a clue of where they are in the enemy frontier>.

Print out the maps, spend more time in enemy territory, learn safe routes, dont expect everything to be "delivered to your door".


PS: pointed at noone in particular.

 

[Danya]

If I'm leading and AFK people loose stick then they stay lost. If they can't be bothered to stay at the keyboard I can't be bothered to go get them.

 

[Solid]

Well put Dannyn, couldnt say it better.

 

[Old Nicodemus]

And to the person in the other alliance saying we ignored what you said, well we had Durgi relaying what you guys were saying to us and we followed that. If you have an issue that he wasn't relaying the right info you wanna bring that up with him, he was the one passing it onto all of us and we followed it.

Aye Azal that was me.

Durgi was actually talking to Zebolt at the time. I Was told not take Beno, but it was too late for that. After we had, he told me to stay there. I pm'd him but got no reply. I was not aware that our info was being related as I had given up on waiting for a reply.

No offence to you guys as I know you were probably busy organising your raid. We just happened to be in the middle of ours. I did lay out a plan that might have worked but with no reply to it and the fact you left for Excalibur after we had finally got stomped by the Albs, sort of put paid to that plan.

We did port back in to a request to back you guys up, but by the time we got three quarters of the way there we were told you were all dead.

Tbh I was not aware that what we were doing was being passed back. This is a communication fault that is easy to rectify.

No offence Azal, I have seen the stirling work you put in trying to lead and run raids, and you do them really well. When you are doing this you know that hanging around without information being given to you is ultimately frustrating, especially when you have a large number of people spamming you wanting to know what is going on.

I'm always happy to take constructive critisim and advice, but in the end it comes down to two things. Communication and having FUN.

Nicodemus

 

[old.Hellskor]

For the "running-point" for the zerg part, sign me up.
I've done it a couple of times before and don't mind doing it again.
And I know the Alb Frontier good enough I'd say

Would be nice though if every group could move atleast at Healer/Runie speed.

And on another note, our 'Leaders' should start giving orders in main-chat. This 'I-said-it-in-the-command-cg-and-that's-enough' isn't working.
It doesn't take much to get a Zerg moving ... /y MOVING and everyone get's it.
/y AGGRO ... and everyone does know there's something to fight off.
My experiences on leading huge raids is limited, but during keeptakes it always worked very fine for me. Most of the People DO listen, but the leaders fail often enough to TELL them in an understandable way.

...
Mid-Grunt#1 : lvl43 Skald, need a group
Mid-Grunt#2 : anyone know what's the plan is ?
Mid-Leader : moving out in 10secs
Mid-Grunt#1 : SKALD LOOKING FOR GROUP
Mid-Grunt#3 : got 2 open spots in this group
...

there's five lines ... which did you see first ? the leader command ?

take your time to use CAPITAL letters ... that's what jumps into sight in all that talk.

And don't start bitching at ppl, it's a game, it's about fun, if you start to bitch at them you just piss them off. Repeat the command if neccesary, but bitching around doesn't help anything.

And the best leaders are the ones that want to serve their Realm and not their ego.

 

[old.Bubble]

When ever u mids attack IRC is very quiet for about 30mins before

i would just like to say your timing was really bad - your last relic attack was annonced almost the second LOE and SOTL attacked legion

I salute u guys for trying a prime time raid
personly i don't think albions have a chance unless we'd attack early in the morning

btw your have cost albion somewhere near 60 plat+ in the last week....sooner or later we'll not be able to afford to keep the doors up :/

btw a bit of truth here- Albion and Midgard relics are the easyest to hit- the reason- no one would notice an army moving through pennines or jam mtn's. 50 albs running past the hibs heading to rvr in emain will kinda be noticed

 

[Krillin.]

to be honest the main detection for anyone in pennines is that they tend to get major lag when you guys port over. whether they be at sauvage north gate or heading to excal to get to DF we get a mad lag surge for 30 seconds and we send scouts out.

pennines is a bloody nightmare as well. I generally dislike taking any groups of players through there as theres a lot of nasty mobs that hurt in there. Hell 1 out of 5 times out there i usually die and i think i know it quite well for an alb

i honestly salute you mids for your persistence as well and have a lot of repsect for you - good luck in your future events for without your commitment prydwen would be a lot less dull and i truly mean that.

regards and thanks for making my play time fun
K

 

[trigali]

I think you mean a lot more dull.

But thanks

 

[Danya]

1 in 5 times krillin? I have died maybe twice in total to aggro mobs in our frontier and I cross it almost every day. You need a new route. It is harder if you don't want to go near keeps though.

 

[Krillin.]

/sigh i was being humble

i doubt it is 1 in 5 and in fact last time i died was ages ago but i was trying to make the point thats it a difficult as a frontier. oh well being humble obviosuly doesn't work

 

[Cavex ElSaviour]

Originally posted by ivan_tribbiani

How anyone would be able to get to Snowdonia at short notice i have no bloody clue

stay on your horse to sauvage, and take a ride to snowdonia .

Btw u do know its possible to bind while you are on your horse, do you?

 

[kr0n]

Making the enemy poor ayeh ;<~~... I pity you. Cant even fight fair! At least we dont fight at all!

Mebbe albs should just every evening go to empty relic keeps and bash down all 4 doors just for fun so youd have to repair em every night before youd get the relics back? How would ya like that huh?

 

[old.Khain]

Originally posted by kr0n
Making the enemy poor ayeh ;<~~... I pity you. Cant even fight fair! At least we dont fight at all!

Mebbe albs should just every evening go to empty relic keeps and bash down all 4 doors just for fun so youd have to repair em every night before youd get the relics back? How would ya like that huh?

I see the lack of brains in Alb is still their. we would not rapair the doors untill we had a relic back which is more like going to take a while and their will be a server down so trying to cost us money would infact cost you money (Rams) and time.

Also knowing you where trying to raid are relic would give us a good time to go get one of you has we have no reason to defend.

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by old.Khain


I see the lack of brains in Alb is still their. we would not rapair the doors untill we had a relic back which is more like going to take a while and their will be a server down so trying to cost us money would infact cost you money (Rams) and time.

Also knowing you where trying to raid are relic would give us a good time to go get one of you has we have no reason to defend.

<deciphers coded Middie spelling>

Actually, the brains are still here (and clearly not in Midgard, as we all can tell)... how will you prevent an immmediate retake of any relics you try to take if your doors are smashed in? Bashing in your relic doors would mean either:

a) You have to repair them before any serious relic raid - we simply commit one stealther to checking them, easily done... or

b) You don't repair them before a raid and we waltz back in and take any obtained relics back easily....

Doesn't matter much anyway - we have plenty of cash

 

[Rudor]

Originally posted by kr0n
Making the enemy poor ayeh ;<~~... I pity you. Cant even fight fair! At least we dont fight at all!

Hahaha cant even fight fair and that you said that attack relic when 90% of mids sleep mebbe that is a fair fight for you..