If Skalds are gimped then am I wasting my time?

[old.Ashgen]

Last night it took me quite a long time to get my Skald to Malmo (first visit resulting in many deaths). However, having read this forum, and others, it would seem that Skalds are not exactly the ideal character to play?

So, do I forget him and roll another character?

I am a melee at heart, so it would be a choice of Thane, Warrior, Berserker or Savage.

I understand Thanes are worse than Skalds, Zerkers are being turned into toothless hamsters and warriors are very one dimensional.

So that leaves a Savage.

I rolled a dwarf savage a couple of weeks ago, got him and a partner troll Shammy to 13.

Should I persevere with them, or are skalds being given an unfair reputation, and carry on levelling him?

I would appreciate some advice, as I would hate to waste time on another character who turns out to be gimped!

While replying with your views, I would also appreciate advice on what spec to go for on your chosen character.

Thanks for your help.

Regards

Ash

 

[eleh]

Ook !

Translation: Playing DAoC is meant to be a way to waste one's time. Does it really matter what you are, between a berzerker or a lurikeen, if you enjoy playing your character ?

 

[old.Ashgen]

I agree .. but ...

What's the point of "wasting my time" on a character who is going to offer limited "reward" at higher levels when I could be "wasting my time" on one who would be fun?

 

[old.Hardbein]

If ur this "melee guy" then i suggest u go savage.
Skalds can be fun to play...if played right. Meaning u fully understand that u cant solo a Pally/Arms/moose etc and played a bit more defencively ....ur NOT some meat sheild. The Skald is a tool and is very much appriciated in grps (RvR). Midgard needs skalds btw

Ohh and btw...spec 50sword/43BS/rest parry

 

[Cami]

Who's saying thanes are gimped btw ?

 

[old.Hardbein]

Originally posted by Cami
Who's saying thanes are gimped btw ?

I AM See sig for details

 

[Cami]

Originally posted by old.Hardbein
I AM See sig for details

see my sig for details!

 

[Bagloor]

Remember that this is a Group game were all chars should bring small but usefull skills in to the group. All chars are gimped in certain situations but that don't make them boring to play.

And one single mezz and one iterrupted caster can change the whole turnout on a 1 group vs 1 group battle, so noone and everybody is a gimp sometimes.
So it's not about being uber or gimped it's all about what you like to do and having fun.

Thane r0x btw, I was jumped by a Infil last night in HW and slam, insta, insta, hack, hack = dead Infil. And same thing in Uppland with a Mincer. Some days Thor smiles at you

 

[Wij]

From what I hear Savages rock at lvl 50 if you like getting up-close and personal. Skalds don't. Sure you can do some useful things and everyone loves a taxi but you ain't killing many people.

 

[mavericky]

One other thing is that there is talk on US boards about Savages damage being toned down. Whether this is true or not, would you prefer the play a class that is likely to be improved (skald) or one where you may feel a nerf (savage)

 

[Wij]

Savages won't get nerfed too much. Skalds need a lot of loving before they can offer much more than a taxi-service and sneaking in a positional style while the enemy is busy fighting a real tank

 

[Wij]

Oh - and if you've got to Malmo you might as well carry on to 50. Just don't expect to provide much damage or support at the moment. And don't mez anyone with your pretend mez or your healer will melee you to death for ruining his chances

Skalds are kinda fun though.

 

[Biby]

Skalds are gimped - only good thing they have is speed. Tho - i still like play my lady in RvR.
Without any deffence ( evadeI <-- lol and 2+9 parry atm, what dosnt work anyway ) and 1967 HP with best buffs u can get ( fully SCed/ALCed, stats capped, aug con 3, tough 2 ) u dont last long in battles. U can use ur DDs (melee range), snare and 10 sek max mezz only for interupts with todays resist and u can give RPs to healer/shammy who is rezzing u after battle
How to improve skalds ? // Goa/Mythic - make ur notes and giff me good reward for idea // Giff skald 6 sek bubble and let our runnis spec to nukers.
To Ashgen: Skald is 1 char who u need for sure in good RvR grp. u dont get yber deathspamm, but neather do healers

 

[old.Gromnir]

Originally posted by Cami
Who's saying thanes are gimped btw ?

I am see my sig for details

 

[old.Gromnir]

posted^2

 

[Petronella]

once.........for.........all..................THANES ARE NOT GIMPED¤"#=(¤#"(¤(="#(¤="#(¤="#("=#¤ :wall:

 

[-ElemenT-]

All who say thanes are gimped, duel meh etc

 

[Ottar]

> I rolled a dwarf savage a couple of weeks ago, got him
> and a partner troll Shammy to 13.

Good move.

1. Savages are exactly what skalds kinda thought they were a yerar ago but never really were.. a darn good offensive tank.

2. Levelling a savage solo without any support is something one should never do. Downtime will be horrible. Add a bot or a live shammy and it becomes one of the best duo classes in midgard.

3. Seeing as 1.62 devastated several mid realms on US servers, I kinda doubt they simply dare to nerf us more.

4. They may improve skalds.. eventually.. maybe.. which then maybe would fix that class, then again maybe not. Right now, it makes no sense whatsoever to level a skald past the point he gets last speed.

5. Savage specs.. Im of firm belief the best savage spec right now is 44 in axe/hammer, 49 in savagery, rest parry

Ottar

 

[Makwaerk]

Agree agree agree agree

Originally posted by Ottar
>5. Savage specs.. Im of firm belief the best savage spec right now is 44 in axe/hammer, 49 in savagery, rest parry

Ottar

if you go 44 weapon go hammer ... it is bedst by far imo


face it skalds are gimps, BUT they are needed

 

[Cami]

All classes are gimped at some things. If noone played a skald every mid group would lack of speed. If noone played a healer (that doesnt get kill spam either) noone would get decent healing or cc etc etc... But if everyone knew the place in a group, any group, no char is gimped,

Imo, you cant compare any mid class to any from the other realms, all classes are build for certain purposes, Mythic had to make some variance.

 

[klavrynd]

yes, you are, mid/pryd is dead

thanks for playing

 

[tildson]

Skald is more of a support-class than the other mentioned classes, hence why he cannot melee as good.

1 Skald is required for every group(speed and dmg-song), therefore you will never have to battle with the other Vikings for a spot in the group. And dont listen to people saying that Skalds are gimps, they just do lousy comparisons. An assisting Skald using snare/mez +dmg song the right way is unvaluable in group.

If you want to play full melee, then dont roll a Skald - rather roll a savage/berserk/warrior then. If you dont mind playing a little bit of a supportive role mixed with melee - then Skald is the choice for you! Everything isnt about deathspam, a group will never succeed if they lack good support.

 

[Solid]

I say Thanes and Skalds are gimps

Battlesongs only good for the Speed spell and snare imo
Stormcalling only good for the Castable DD and Insta DD

For the reward of such an uber spell line we get:


Hybrid Weaponskill table
Hybrid hp table
Speccing in Spell line automatically means less points for Defence
ZERO baseline spells
Full cost IP and Purge
No access to Determination

Basically I personally feel the benefits of hybrids fall well short of balancing against what hybrids give up

I would in hindsight hapilly roll a Warrior instead of a Thane every time
(and before ANYONE mentiones Keep takes, how many frikkin keep takes do you participate in and how many of them do you do willingly)

Bottom line is the SPECIALIST is king of RvR

 

[Derric]

Thanes rock!!!!

















Sorry,I haven't had my medication today.

 

[old.Gromnir]

Well I have to say for the defence that:

Thanes are:

Fun to play.
Fair soloers.
Has nice effects.
Are easy to roleplay (warrior preist ... but then again who roleplays now a days)
Can be good in groups as pullers and healer/caster guards.

But they are also like Solid say, they could do with a tune up (along with the skald). now I dont know about the albion version of these fighter classes - pally - but I can speak for the Champion class. Now if they where to be "equal", as equal as they can be across realms of cause, then the champion has it far easyer leveling on his own, debuffs and larger weapons makes them great hunters. Only thing you can debate about them in my eyes is why an incress in their powerpoll stat (int only affects one of their spells and not all of them. But thats another story

Anyway I liked being a thane, but I also came to the conclusion that they aint the "best" fighter around the block.

 

[Qte Eth]

cant understand ppl who say skald are gimps or smth like this
skalds are same must have in grp as for example wardens are in hib grp,and believe or not warden aint looking much more fun class then skald ,zero damage ,sucky heals ,main use of char are passive things(resists&pbt).but its still played and some say its overpowered
and about thanes..no real use of em in rvr.and yes theya re gimped

 

[klavrynd]

and about thanes..no real use of em in rvr.and yes theya re gimped

and then you run into Kephan...

 

[old.azorius]

I love my Thane, even were my account wiped, I'd still roll another one.

He performs admirably as a utility player, can MA, Pull, peel, etc.

However, that's in PvE.

RvR...I spend me time guarding casters and generally chewing dirt or upsetting people with Hammerz \o/

We do need lot's of love tho.

Sort the goddamn hp table out first imho.

Cheers

Azo

 

[-ElemenT-]

Yup ... 1650ish hp isn't enough ?

 

[old.azorius]

Originally posted by -ElemenT-
Yup ... 1650ish hp isn't enough ?

1492 at 50.

Not enough.

Cheers

Azo