ID Cards

[xane]

Bulletmonkey - I notice you don't actually offer an alternative to what the "Entitlement Card" is attempting to address, stand.org simply trash the arguments from a civil liberty point of view and claim this is ID Cards by the back door, but they don't seem to admit that benefit fraud is a major problem and something needs to be done about it.

If you can give a viable alternative to addressing benefit fraud I could see a point, but taking a single-issue stance is limiting your consultation options anyway, so its a bit rich to then accuse the government of forcing it as such.

As I said, I don't agree with an ID Card, but then again I can't suggest a better way of controlling benefit fraud.

 

[Will]

Do we not have a National Insurance number for that sort of thing anyway?

Roping biometrics into it won't solve any fundamental problems with the system. Why not improve what we already have?

 

[PR.]

Your scraping the bottom of the barrel with your arguments?

 

[.cage]

GONNA FALL GONNA FALL EHEHHEHE ¬_¬

 

[DaGaffer]

Originally posted by xane
Bulletmonkey - I notice you don't actually offer an alternative to what the "Entitlement Card" is attempting to address, stand.org simply trash the arguments from a civil liberty point of view and claim this is ID Cards by the back door, but they don't seem to admit that benefit fraud is a major problem and something needs to be done about it.

Well, apart from the fact that *ahem* "Entitlement Cards" won't actually stop benefit fraud, if I had to make a choice between my fundamental human rights and paying more income tax to cover benefit fraud, it's no contest to be honest.

Entitlement cards won't stop illegal immigrants (most of them go straight into the black economy anyway), and you can bet that when it comes to things like the NHS, you can bet it would be used as a screening device NOT to find the tabloid depiction of 'benefit scroungers' but to bill people who arbitrarily come over some government standard of earnings - "ooh, had a road accident sir? According to our records you earn £20,000 a year and your car is less than three years old, so we'll charge you a £500 fee to use this Casualty department. American Express? That'll do nicely sir"

 

[Will]

bulletmonkey, you just accidently came up with a reason to make me in favour of entitlement cards.